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Nationals new players/younger players (ripping)

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DarkStar20 said:
I'm not planning on locking the thread. I am however planning on asking around to see who a couple of the people posting in this thread are at nats, and advising all those who I care about to avoid trading with them.

-Jason
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Never heard of lieing? Who ever your planning to ask around to probably wouldn't even tell you they have a PokeGym account. In the off chance you do find some of the people on here, kudos to you. I'm going to simply stick beside what I typed in the first place.
 
grassmaster239 said:
But.. It is a legendary. It has to be worth more then some little electric squirrel
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I hope you were joking by this statement, because if that's what you're truly saying when negotiating a trade, then you are admittedly ripping off kids by any other competitive player's definition of "worth".
 
losjackal said:
I hope you were joking by this statement, because if that's what you're truly saying when negotiating a trade, then you are admittedly ripping off kids by any other competitive player's definition of "worth".
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Of course I am.

This is just my feelings, but I don't see how you can post here complaining about other people ripping people off, when you trade battrio coins that you can get for $0.50-$1 each for anywhere between $3-10.
 
grassmaster239 said:
Of course I am.

This is just my feelings, but I don't see how you can post here complaining about other people ripping people off, when you trade battrio coins that you can get for $0.50-$1 each for anywhere between $3-10.
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Good, glad to hear it.

I see your argument, and if you want to talk about it at Nationals when we will surely see each other in person that's fine, but it's pretty straightforward concept: something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That is a free market at work, based on supply and demand. Not all prices are derived from cost. How else do we explain Magnezone Prime selling for $50 right now? Someone has it, and someone wants it, and they will pay $50 for it.

I get Battrio coins from Japan for whatever price they sell for over there. Then I pay money on top of that to get them shipped to the USA, then I spend time trading or selling them here. I am allowed to make a profit for my time. As a result of this work I'm doing, people like you and others who have traded/bought from me get to browse a selection of coins and pick the specific one they want, with very little time or effort. I am adding value in the process of getting that one coin from Japan into your hands.

Here is the limited selection of Battrio coins on eBay right now. If it were so easy to find your favorite pokemon, no one would need to get it from me.

I was going to write some more, but do I really need to contrast how this is different than downplaying the value of any particular card in a trade because the other person doesn't know better?
 
Most of these kids got the rare card in a booster pack that their parent paid $4 for. It really doesn't matter to them if you trade them $10 worth of cards for it or $30 worth of cards for it. Sure, you need to be fair, but in the end, walking away with a decent deal off of a new kid doesn't ruin the kid's day or your own.

The only thing I don't suggest people to trade kids for are their trainers/supporters because every player needs those cards for any deck they are making.

But trading for a kid's single legend side knowing full well they will never get the other side or even play the pair isn't ruining his day or yours.
 
losjackal said:
Good, glad to hear it.

I see your argument, and if you want to talk about it at Nationals when we will surely see each other in person that's fine, but it's pretty straightforward concept: something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That is a free market at work, based on supply and demand. Not all prices are derived from cost. How else do we explain Magnezone Prime selling for $50 right now? Someone has it, and someone wants it, and they will pay $50 for it.

I get Battrio coins from Japan for whatever price they sell for over there. Then I pay money on top of that to get them shipped to the USA, then I spend time trading or selling them here. I am allowed to make a profit for my time. As a result of this work I'm doing, people like you and others who have traded/bought from me get to browse a selection of coins and pick the specific one they want, with very little time or effort. I am adding value in the process of getting that one coin from Japan into your hands.

Here is the limited selection of Battrio coins on eBay right now. If it were so easy to find your favorite pokemon, no one would need to get it from me.

I was going to write some more, but do I really need to contrast how this is different than downplaying the value of any particular card in a trade because the other person doesn't know better?
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Fair enough. I guess I can see your point there
 
I am curious, what is your guys views of League Leaders ripping off little kids? Are they held to a different standard? Should they be?
 
PokeChump said:
My opinion they shouldn't be league leaders.
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A league leader shouldn't rip off little kids. That said, going off relative worth, it's still alright for them to give kids the cards they want and take the ones that they don't - to a point.


The point is, the whole issue is something that is different for every trade; because the worth of the trade is in the trader, and every person is different. I think we all agree that intentionally ripping off someone is bad.


Someone got annoyed at me because I traded three Serperior holos for a yanmega prime. Sure, I got the good end of the deal by a wide margin on that one, but both parties were happy. I said to him "Yanmega are worth a lot more than three serperior" but he didn't mind.

If a league leader did that, I would be fine. If he didn't tell the kid how much it is worth, thats different. A league leader is not a trader first; they are a league leader first.
 
Jahikoi said:
Someone got annoyed at me because I traded three Serperior holos for a yanmega prime. Sure, I got the good end of the deal by a wide margin on that one, but both parties were happy. I said to him "Yanmega are worth a lot more than three serperior" but he didn't mind.
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The way I see it, the other person can make a Serperior deck now, while they couldn't make any kind of Yanmega deck with a single Yanmega prime. Add to the fact that the Serperiors are decent cards, ability or not, and I don't see a huge glaring error.
 
Were they Abilities or PCD Serperiors? If Ability, then I'd say that's roughly equal.
 
Jahikoi said:
A league leader shouldn't rip off little kids. That said, going off relative worth, it's still alright for them to give kids the cards they want and take the ones that they don't - to a point.


The point is, the whole issue is something that is different for every trade; because the worth of the trade is in the trader, and every person is different. I think we all agree that intentionally ripping off someone is bad.


Someone got annoyed at me because I traded three Serperior holos for a yanmega prime. Sure, I got the good end of the deal by a wide margin on that one, but both parties were happy. I said to him "Yanmega are worth a lot more than three serperior" but he didn't mind.

If a league leader did that, I would be fine. If he didn't tell the kid how much it is worth, thats different. A league leader is not a trader first; they are a league leader first.
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AT LEAST YOU, "tried" to give them the information that the trade was kind of one sided. It is true, if the league leader DIDN'T give them the information on the trade, and took the person for a loop I could see that as a worse thing then a regular swindler. Just because its a league leader, part of there job is to "look over" the players, not to rip the young ones.

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Prime said:
The way I see it, the other person can make a Serperior deck now, while they couldn't make any kind of Yanmega deck with a single Yanmega prime. Add to the fact that the Serperiors are decent cards, ability or not, and I don't see a huge glaring error.
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He still at least tried to tell what was going on to the person he was trading.
 
If any kind of new kid to the game comes up to me and likes one of my cards that I will spare, I will just let them make the first offer. If it's a ripoff to them, I'll explain that it is so and suggest a better offer. If they like the offer and I just wanna make the kid happy, I give it to them and just say it's free. If a kid really thinks the card is worth enough to get ripped off for, he wants it bad enough, I just want the kid to be happy. I have given plenty of cards away just because I needed to go home ASAP. Even a Blazekin (Is that how you spell it?) FB lv.X just got given away because this guy didn't have anything I wanted. It was early 2012, so it wasn't legal. But as I said, it was free.

I guess my point is that some things are worth losing to make others happy because that warm feeling inside yourself afterwards makes it all worthwhile.
 
Parents who get involved in their kids' trades can get bent. Never once in my life have I seen a parent involve themselves in a trade that was legitimately unfair... Rather, they assume that there is absolutely no way a teen like myself would give their kid a fair deal, and say "sorry, Timmy isn't trading any of his holofoil cards. Come on, Timmy, let's go to the coloring corner."

Please don't continue to make decisions for your children, lest they fail to develop negotiating skills of their own later in life.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm going to have a huge binder full of sparkly rotated holo cards from Unseen Forces and Legend Maker that I'm going to be peddling for Tornadus EXs and gold stars. Maybe I'll also have some scratched up Charizards in there for the really tough customers. If you wanna stop me from making a six million percent profit off unsuspecting little kids, PokeChump, you better find me fast and follow me everywhere I go.
 
Politoed666 said:
Parents who get involved in their kids' trades can get bent. Never once in my life have I seen a parent involve themselves in a trade that was legitimately unfair... Rather, they assume that there is absolutely no way a teen like myself would give their kid a fair deal, and say "sorry, Timmy isn't trading any of his holofoil cards. Come on, Timmy, let's go to the coloring corner."

Please don't continue to make decisions for your children, lest they fail to develop negotiating skills of their own later in life.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm going to have a huge binder full of sparkly rotated holo cards from Unseen Forces and Legend Maker that I'm going to be peddling for Tornadus EXs and gold stars. Maybe I'll also have some scratched up Charizards in there for the really tough customers. If you wanna stop me from making a six million percent profit off unsuspecting little kids, PokeChump, you better find me fast and follow me everywhere I go.
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Make up a binder for me to carry around, and I'll rip off some scrubbies for ya. It's a favorite hobby in between rounds.
 
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