No High Rollers in Pokemon

[Lugias_Realm]

This was the only thing at the Missouri regionals that threw us for a loop. My son played and has been taught that a single dice roll with opponent calling odd or even or a coin flip to do the same are the only game starting sequence we allow. This was not the case at this regionals as they were using high roll throughout his matches and something he had not dealt with in years. He even appealed it to the Head Judge but was shot down and forced to continue the high roll method. I only bring this up as it does seem that in areas when there is such a deverse mix of different areas it does not always happen as it should.

 

[Muk Man]

So who chooses and who flips? is there an official way to decide? if not let me make a sugesstion.
High Roll gets to pick the flip or the call...lol

 

[PokePop]

This was the only thing at the Missouri regionals that threw us for a loop. My son played and has been taught that a single dice roll with opponent calling odd or even or a coin flip to do the same are the only game starting sequence we allow. This was not the case at this regionals as they were using high roll throughout his matches and something he had not dealt with in years. He even appealed it to the Head Judge but was shot down and forced to continue the high roll method. I only bring this up as it does seem that in areas when there is such a deverse mix of different areas it does not always happen as it should.

This is why I put this on the front page.
Awareness of this enforcement was spotty, at best.
Certainly at the East Coast Regionals, most games were started using high roll.

Upcoming small events (PRs and BRs) are a good opportunity to help all players (and TOs!) get on the same page.

 

[PokePop]

So who chooses and who flips? is there an official way to decide? if not let me make a sugesstion.
High Roll gets to pick the flip or the call...lol

Rolling a die works exactly the same as flipping a coin.

One player flips/rolls and the the other calls it.
If it comes up the same as what the second player called, that player goes first.
If it comes up differently than what that player called, then the other player goes first.
There is no choice of going first or second in a one game match.

 

[Azure Kite]

Well has the word totally gotten out? Are the judges still clueless as to this new rule? I don't think there are problems in our area, but there will be a lot more problems at BR's if the word is not totally spread about this new rule. Why does it need to be spread? No offense to any judges here, but it appears from some posts, like Master of Puppet's post, that in some parts, the judges are blockheads.

 

[dei_dra_mon]

*Coin flips break fingernails.
*Old people lose consisitency of coin flips.
*Newbies cant flip coins properly.
*Dices are so much easier to use.
*Only coins would damage cards and sleeves.
*Makes things easiers for everyone
*Smart people use dices. Dices > Coins, End of discussion. *clicks*

 

[PokePop]

Well has the word totally gotten out? Are the judges still clueless as to this new rule? I don't think there are problems in our area, but there will be a lot more problems at BR's if the word is not totally spread about this new rule. Why does it need to be spread? No offense to any judges here, but it appears from some posts, like Master of Puppet's post, that in some parts, the judges are blockheads.

You want to give maybe a day or two for the word to spread?

Maybe you can help spread it by pointing judges, league leaders, and TOs that aren't aware of it to this article.

 

[Destinii Haruya]

I like this. No more both getting 6 or something and fighting over it, thank Arceus.

 

[Azure Kite]

*Coin flips break fingernails.
*Old people lose consisitency of coin flips.
*Newbies cant flip coins properly.
*Dices are so much easier to use.
*Only coins would damage cards and sleeves.
*Makes things easiers for everyone
*Smart people use dices. Dices > Coins, End of discussion. *clicks*

Even more proof I'm a newbie.

You want to give maybe a day or two for the word to spread?

Maybe you can help spread it by pointing judges, league leaders, and TOs that aren't aware of it to this article.

I will try, but in my area its mostly known. Unless I'm wrong, at some events, the judges weren't even listen to players who brought up the new rule.

 

[PokePop]

I will try, but in my area its mostly known. Unless I'm wrong, at some events, the judges weren't even listen to players who brought up the new rule.

I would expect that until this article was published, 50%+ of the people in the game were unaware of this. Some TOs have been spreading the word since Worlds, but most have not, myself included.

 

[yoyofsho16]

i think dice are for DAMAGE COUNTERS, and only that. nintendo puts those coins in the decks for you to use, and they mean for people to use them. i never ever play evens=heads odds=tails, ever, because its a little annoying to me. the only reason people ever started bringing dice to matches was for damage counters, and it should stay that way.

 

[dld4a]

I actually heard (can't remember where) that high roll was the sanctioned way to do it, guess not, huh?

As I see it, the main reason they are probably enforcing this rule is the time wasting that ties (using high roll) causes. Using high roll to decide who flips and who calls would actually waste more time then the occasional ties in using high roll to decide the starting player.

One potential problem with flipping to decide the starting players is language barriers (mostly at Worlds of course). I have only played 3 games with non-English speaking players and I don't recall there being a problem with this though.

Another potential problem is, player A "trusting" player B's flipping honesty. Personally I will always choose to do the flipping because I know I'll be fair. I'll use, and strongly encourage the exclusive use of, metal coins only.

 

[vietgamer1021]

ok seriously can we just high roll for teh coin flip, THEN flip the coin?

or is that not legal (please clarify)

 

[PokePop]

You can have someone belch out the alphabet to decide who gets to flip if you want.
Don't get the judges involved in such matters. Just get the game going.

 

[toxictaipan]

I just read through 3 pages of this thread, and most post say High Roll>Heads/Tails. And that Dice are better. There are only 2 things I want to help make clear, because it seems y'all are being to hard-headed to listen to PokePop!! (But if you're not listening to him, why the heck are you going to listen to me? Aww well, it's worth a shot.)

You CAN still use dice!! Read back a few pages and see how many times you were told dice are okay and why they are.

If you don't use the heads/tails method and use High Roll instead, or anything else for that matter, YOU ARE BREAKING THE RULES!! Period, I don't care if you want to use high roll or not. Anything but Heads/Tails in against the rules. So go ahead break the rules, but when you get in trouble, don't blame us

 

[bulbasnore]

ok seriously can we just high roll for teh coin flip, THEN flip the coin?

or is that not legal (please clarify)

Please clarify? Its not clear if you mean "I want to high roll for the choice then throw a coin for show." or "I want to high roll for who gets to throw the coin.".

Y'know if you want to take a chance of looking like you are high rolling to start the game and want to accept the consequences when that is misunderstood, that is your choice. The game table is neither the place for acting out a protest nor for unclear game actions.

Be clear in every game action: call attacks and powers, place damage and indicated conditions according to the method specified in the rules. Using heads/tails to start the game is minor compared to those things.

 

[PkmnManiac]

I guess bulbasnore and PokePop have a point. Some people didn't want to flip two coins. Calling heads or tails kinda/sorta prevents the possibility of getting a tie.

Hey bulba, what if you guys did a pokecast on why flipping a coin might be better than rolling dice?

 

[Nevermore]

...wow. Until I opened this thread, I didn't even think of using high rolls to determine stuff. Judging from this, our community is one of the few select ones that found out all by themselves that high rolls can mean ties which then eats up your actual playtime.

End of the line, I'm in favor of this. Now where can we order such Pokegym dices...?

 

[rerisenphoenix]

I can't believe there is seriously a discussion going on about Coin Flips vs High roll. This is RIDICULOUS.

 

[Jane]

It's the same odds. they're just clarifying which way to do it, which I don't personally mind, it makes it so there isn't sometimes arguement already right at the beginning of the game about how to decide who goes first.