Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Non-Professor wins Professor Cup!

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DarthPika said:
Why shoudln't it be noted that he's a criminal in his education and career? He obviously has honesty problems, and I would think people with such problems should be marked as such.
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Get some perspective.

He lied to get in a tournament.

What should we do next? Crucify anyone who lies about their age to go and see a movie? Ruin the future of anyone who lied about their age when they signed up to a website? They have honesty problems . . . let's 'mark' them somehow! What do you suggest? Branding?

Look, if it was me who lost in the tournament to a player who lied to get in, I would be pissed off. Would I want them sued, branded a criminal, and reported to their University? Hell no. That's ridiculously excessive and vindictive. Anyone who would want that is seriously lacking in humanity.

I'm sure P!P can handle it properly without the angry lynch mob.
 
Absoltrainer said:
Ah but the delimma being that he won then fiar and square. Sure his entry into the tournament was against the rules, but the way he obtained the prizes was not stealing. he played the matches and won. Stealing IMO would have been if he had walked up, taken the prizes and ran.
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It's no different. He stole them in a way that makes him feel better about it, since he can tell him self that he "won" those prizes. If nothing else, it's fraud, which is pretty much stealing with out being obvious about it.
 
baby mario said:
Get some perspective.

He lied to get in a tournament.

What should we do next? Crucify anyone who lies about their age to go and see a movie? Ruin the future of anyone who lied about their age when they signed up to a website? They have honesty problems . . . let's 'mark' them somehow! What do you suggest? Branding?

Look, if it was me who lost in the tournament to a player who lied to get in, I would be pissed off. Would I want them sued, branded a criminal, and reported to their University? Hell no. That's ridiculously excessive and vindictive. Anyone who would want that is seriously lacking in humanity.

I'm sure P!P can handle it properly without the angry lynch mob.
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i'm out of likes but this is so true.
 
DukeFireBird said:
If thats how your implying what I am saying, I may have to edit what I meant, so I apologize. What I mean is that he soiled his name with what he did, impersonating someone/something he is not, which is fraud. Down the road, a future employer who may of played pokemon now, may recognize Aiden's name and go, "Wait, that name seems familiar" and then checks up on it, and sees what happened. If said position was one of importance to the company, that could be a deal-breaker, and therefore disqualify Aiden from the job. Schools are no different. No high level University would want a student that is known to lie on it's campus.
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The minority of people who would actually be hired by an ex pokemon player who actually remembers one kids name who scammed a tournament once that happened at least four years ago, is one of the smallest minorities I can think of. But I suppose if it happens he'll find another job as it will probably never happen again.
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Nick15 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the P!P staff is supposed to guarantee that players follow the rules AND to ensure a fair playing environment for those who DO follow the rules. Unless I'm wrong, that's THEIR JOB. Otherwise there would be no Judge nor Professor system, as Nintendo would merely expect the players to self-regulate.

Sorry, but it's just as much the staff's fault for not ensuring that players are playing by the rules as it is Mr. Aires's fault for breaking those rules. And admitting that they're sorry for letting it happen is called "taking responsibility", which is the least I expect ANY leadership organization to do.

Furthermore, claiming that it's the staff's fault does NOT absolve Mr. Aires for breaking the rules, and I certainly hope that no one assumes as much. That is to say, why should it be that only ONE side can be at fault? Can't BOTH (or three or more) sides be equally at fault?
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You made 3 points and each deserves an answer.

1. Locks are meant to keep thieves out or at least deter the lesser thief from trying to break in and steal. In your world it is just as much the locks fault as the thief. Or for that matter the home owner who installed the lock for not properly latching it. Taking responsibility for a system that needs to be fixed is not the same as FAULT. Fault lies in the hands of the person committing the wrong, not in the hands of the victim.

2. See above...it is not "just as much the Staffs fault"...while there is some claim to the fact that someone did not fully do their job...that is what they hope for and capitalize on, the busy time, a hectic time...it does get hectic and well, yea, mistakes happen and the dude capitalized on it and SAID NOTHING.

3. Not in the case of blatant theft or gaming the system. See number 1.
 
Biggie said:
You don't know that someone failed to check the list. This situation is nasty enough without these kinds of assumptions. There are actually a good number of ways this mistake could have went down, but we don't have all the facts yet.
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You're right, I don't know. I was not there. But until all the facts are in, I can still draw pragmatic conclusions based on the facts which have been given... I mean, I don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. As such, I feel that it's a fairly logical assessment that SOMEONE didn't do fact checking, or at least made their facts known before the prizes were given to Mr. Aires.

That is to say, I feel the idea that someone didn't do their fact checking is FAR better than the idea that a/the top P!P staff member DELIBERATELY gave Mr. Aires the prize, even AFTER they knew he wasn't a Professor, or that P!P staff simply didn't care about the tournament and had the attitude of "whatever, SOMEONE won, that's all that matters to me". I mean, it's easier to think that P!P accidentally didn't check up on Mr. Aires than P!P intentionally handed him the prizes.

However, I will accept the conclusions of your investigations, as I'm also of the school that "between reality and what I THINK is right, reality is always more correct" and thus any number of different things could have happened which I didn't think of (and that's probably what the case will be). But until those findings are revealed, I am still free to draw my own conclusions. Fair enough?
 
Some people are ridiculous for blaming the staff over this. It's a glitch that this punk got into the event, people...And you know what? Glitches HAPPEN - especially when you've got a very small staff for hundreds!

It's ridiculous to say "wow dude GJ!" when what he's done is effectively steal from TPCi, as well as all his opponents. Sure, one part of me thinks that this is hilarious...But another part of me is ticked off that a guy who has less of a claim to have played in this event than me got to...And won. Not like I'd ever stoop as low as him in order to play, but for everyone who made 10-70 points...This is just a bit obnoxious.
 
wyoungb said:
The minority of people who would actually be hired by an ex pokemon player who actually remembers one kids name who scammed a tournament once that happened at least four years ago, is one of the smallest minorities I can think of. But I suppose if it happens he'll find another job as it will probably never happen again.
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Actually, employers can now check all social media regarding employment candidates. Hope this guy's facebook mentions nothing about this. This WILL show up at some point in this guy's future. Karma.
 
Cyrus said:
Some people are ridiculous for blaming the staff over this. It's a glitch that this punk got into the event, people...And you know what? Glitches HAPPEN - especially when you've got a very small staff for hundreds!

It's ridiculous to say "wow dude GJ!" when what he's done is effectively steal from TPCi, as well as all his opponents. Sure, one part of me thinks that this is hilarious...But another part of me is ticked off that a guy who has less of a claim to have played in this event than me got to...And won. Not like I'd ever stoop as low as him in order to play, but for everyone who made 10-70 points...This is just a bit obnoxious.
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So you're calling Dan "Biggie" Brandt ridiculous? Because he blames the staff too.

And btw I heard that he apparently had enough points but needed to take the professor test.

There is a list Kettler, on the computer. And there is this function called ctrl "f" where you can type that guys name in, and it will automatically find him and how many points he has as well as whether or not he is a professor. I just followed these steps and it took about 5 seconds give or take.

There are glitches, this was not one of them. As soon as he put his name on that list and told them about how he didn't know if he could play or not, it was their job to find out if he could play and take actions accordingly.

As for the people who think this will affect the guy's professional career, I am sorry to say that you are being really harsh. Kids do stupid stuff. Adults also do stupid stuff. Our last 2 presidents did stupid stuff. We are all guilty of doing stupid stuff. And I will bet my right foot that this won't affect his professional career significantly. Partly because I wouldn't mind being in a wheelchair, but mostly because I truly believe that I am rigth
 
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I have been infracting good members for their responses to the OP. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are feeling, but some of the posts are over the top, invective, vitriol, profanity, and/or attack laden.

Please do not respond in a manner that forces an infract, or temp ban. It really isn't necessary. You aren't alone, no one here feels good about what has happened.

The OP might be likened to a troll, and your infractable responses are like candy; so please do not feed the OP.
 
Cyrus said:
Some people are ridiculous for blaming the staff over this. ...

It's ridiculous to say "wow dude GJ!" when what he's done is effectively steal from TPCi, as well as all his opponents. Sure, one part of me thinks that this is hilarious...But another part of me is ticked off that a guy who has less of a claim to have played in this event than me got to...And won. Not like I'd ever stoop as low as him in order to play, but for everyone who made 10-70 points...This is just a bit obnoxious.
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1000 Thanks for this post to one of P!P's best! GG, Sir!
 
DarthPika said:
Probably nothing in his professional life, but he is a criminal. Did he take prizes that were not rightfully his? Yes. Did he sell those prizes that were not his? Yes. Is this criminal behavoir? Yes. Gloss it over all you want, what he did was criminal. Had he left the prizes out of it, it would have probably been cheating at best. However, he took the prizes, and then sold them.
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He broke P!P organization rules, not any state or federal laws. Therefore, he isn't a criminal because he didn't commit a crime.

There's actually no discussing this, it's cut and dry. I don't like it as much as the next person but all he did was cheat at a card game. Like someone previously stated, P!P will handle this at their discretion and within the governing rules of P!P, not state or federal legislature.
 
baby mario said:
Wait.

Are you joking?

You think a guy's education and career should be ruined because of this?

That would actually be more offensive than anything he did. He did do something wrong. He should be banned from Pokemon. But . . . I dunno . . . I don't think all the hatred and vindictiveness shown in this thread is reflecting well on the Pokemon community.
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This guy is right.

On another note, it's people like him that make Pokémon so awesome. He's a cool cat. And all your posts are so intelligent, it's great. Bravo.
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I'm lost for words about this, honestly. While I'm not going to into lynching mode, or vote to attempt to ruin the person's life in some way, shape, or form, this was still pretty wrong. From what I did see, the person in question did run a League, but was not a professor. Nonetheless, someone on staff did drop the ball on this; but, one should consider that the staff had been working all weekend, and were bound to be exhausted as a result. Mistakes happen. The player in question did not have to play, though, and knew better than to do so.

At the end of of the day, though, I think the biggest issue with this (outside of the obvious, that being that the player played in something he wasn't supposed to) is the message that this sends. Now, obviously, this player isn't the only person to do it (I'm sure there's been other cases, it wouldn't shock me). However, this sends different messages to multiple people. To those that aren't professors, it could potentially send the message that they can just play in this Professor Cup, which is dedicated to those that have worked hard throughout the year to grow the game and give everyone an enjoyable time at every event. Meanwhile, those that do work to create a better experience for the players, the Professors, have their very own event soiled as a result to a degree. It's hard to say what would have happened had the player in question not played, as he did effect the results since he did play. And, to the higher ups, it sends the message that they can't take the words of others at face value concerning this event now, which is wrong on all sorts of levels in my honest opinion. This is supposed to be a fun event for the Professors, not something that the Staff that TPCi gets to work the event should have to crack down on.

I'm worried about the repercussions that this will bring as a result of what has happened. I hope that TPCi will simply have a more thorough registration process, and we can move on. I hope nothing worse should come out of it as a result of one bad apple.
 
PokeDad said:
I have been infracting good members for their responses to the OP. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are feeling, but some of the posts are over the top, invective, vitriol, profanity, and/or attack laden.

Please do not respond in a manner that forces an infract, or temp ban. It really isn't necessary. You aren't alone, no one here feels good about what has happened.

The OP might be likened to a troll, and your infractable responses are like candy; so please do not feed the OP.
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I assume when you say OP, you mean the OP of the article as in the 6P article, not the OP as in me who is the OP of this thread....
 
I just don't understand why this got just doesn't simply give back at least the trophy he is trying to sell so that professors can possibly try to hold a second tournement for it. I don't know, just a thought.

And if he is just a "kid" then why is he going to college? If your 18 I think your legally an adult responosble of your own choices.

That is all.
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