Non-Professor wins Professor Cup!

[Little Lad]

@Arcticjedi, you know what they say, 'Out there is the truth.'

Wait...

 

[Politoed666]

Where do you see "Moderator" under PokeDaddy's name?

Reading comprehension for the win.

How about realizing that there are literally hundreds of posts in this thread that don't agree with positions expoused by staff and they're all still here.
The ones that aren't were removed for going way past the rules, posts on both sides of the issue.

My mistake. Was on Tapatalk, which doesn't allow me to see special usertitles. Didn't realize he was no longer a mod.

Yeah, I apologize. Of course you guys don't delete posts that you disagree with... but making a thinly veiled threat against one's Professor status because of a post they made on a forum is something I have a problem with. Just my opinion.

 

[untitled]

Out of curiosity was the listing taken off less than 24 hours before it ended?

Because I think somebody posted here earlier saying that if you take an auction down on ebay within 24 hours of the end of it the item is still sold to the highest bidder. I could be wrong though.

 

[BobTehHobo]

I'd really appreciate if the OP (Absoltrainer) or a mod could edit the copy and pasted article out from the first post. I'm ok with snippets of it being reposted, but I'd rather the entire article not be copied and pasted here as it's unique content on 6p. Thanks.

If I were you, I wouldn't be too proud of having that article on your site.

 

[LovingTheAlien]

The reactions of Pokemom and Evil psyduck to this has really made me think twice about ever attending an event outside of my area again. It's always people like that who end up in charge. Or at least they act like they are.

I do really respect Pokepop for being real as always. However, as far as many of the other moderators and event organizers go, this is just so far beyond ridiculous behavior for people who are so high up in the pokemon community that it's disgraceful. Regardless of what someone else did, the people in charge of running an event are responsible for something, right? If they're not in charge of registration, who is? People in charge of running something usually accept responsibility when something goes wrong. Crucifying someone for making you look bad is pretty low. What a shame.

 

[n00bmuffin]

The reactions of Pokemom and Evil psyduck to this has really made me think twice about ever attending an event outside of my area again. It's always people like that who end up in charge. Or at least they act like they are.

I do really respect Pokepop for being real as always. However, as far as many of the other moderators and event organizers go, this is just so far beyond ridiculous behavior for people who are so high up in the pokemon community that it's disgraceful. Regardless of what someone else did, the people in charge of running an event are responsible for something, right? If they're not in charge of registration, who is? People in charge of running something usually accept responsibility when something goes wrong. Crucifying someone for making you look bad is pretty low. What a shame.

It is still his fault for joining. All the event organizers did was trust him.

 

[Mac Sting]

But they said they would look into it, which they clearly didn't.

The staff could have just looked him and up and it wouldn't have happened.

Both sides are to blame.

 

[waynegg]

What we do know is that there should definitely be more attention paid to who is allowed to play in the tournament.

One thing's for sure. I think we've all given enough attention here. After all, that is what someone who does this sort of thing and then brags about it afterwards is after. He's had his 15 (and then some) minutes of fame. Let's not waste anymore of our time on his ill intentions and bad deeds.

 

[bulbasnore]

The word trainwreck has well been applied to this situation and this thread.

The OP has certainly sown the wind and reaped the whirlwind. But many other people, who were bystanders, both on site and miles away, have also been caught in this whirlwind.

We at the Gym have taken body blows over keeping this thread open, letting it be locked, being to harsh, too easy. It's astounding to me how high emotions have run over this - not because I think people wouldn't/shouldn't be outraged one way or the other, but because many people from every position have said and done uncharacteristicly shocking things.

Everyone, from the OP to the most trollish or most sincere respondent in this thread is responsible for their words online.

We don't delete accounts, though we've had requests from those both pro and anti the OP to delete their account; once you post here, if its not in violation of the rules, your post is held in trust by the owners of the board for the community. If we were to let people pull their accounts, many of which have had broad interactions with those that remain you leave a hole in their experience, the community's record. Its like cutting your picture out of the class photo in the hall - its damaging to the whole group. No we wont delete your account. That's our policy, recently reviewed and upheld.

In contrast to these requests, I will note the OP is still 'standing' here toe to toe with all.

Commitment to letting YOU discuss or not, there is a limit to how much energy can be spent on a controlling a 'trainwreck'. Its not that The PokeGym or its staff as a group takes one position or another on the OP's actions. Eventually, in any responding to any disaster, you just have to go get some sleep. There are a lot of you and very few of us. We're tired from dodging flying sheetmetal and pieces of everyone's heart.

You know why US Nats went so smoothly? The players knew what to do and they cared deeply to do it. They didn't do everything they might do on their home turf, they sacrificed some to be on the mark -- they did their part in honor to their game and in hopes to have a grand event. And they got it! Yes, fine leadership from P!P, and experienced, self-directed, low ego, team of staff. But the players made the event work and made it great. (Bravo!)

This thread is what you make it.

 

[secretsof2113]

The word trainwreck has well been applied to this situation and this thread.

The OP has certainly sown the wind and reaped the whirlwind. But many other people, who were bystanders, both on site and miles away, have also been caught in this whirlwind.

We at the Gym have taken body blows over keeping this thread open, letting it be locked, being to harsh, too easy. It's astounding to me how high emotions have run over this - not because I think people wouldn't/shouldn't be outraged one way or the other, but because many people from every position have said and done uncharacteristicly shocking things.

Everyone, from the OP to the most trollish or most sincere respondent in this thread is responsible for their words online.

We don't delete accounts, though we've had requests from those both pro and anti the OP to delete their account; once you post here, if its not in violation of the rules, your post is held in trust by the owners of the board for the community. If we were to let people pull their accounts, many of which have had broad interactions with those that remain you leave a hole in their experience, the community's record. Its like cutting your picture out of the class photo in the hall - its damaging to the whole group. No we wont delete your account. That's our policy, recently reviewed and upheld.

In contrast to these requests, I will note the OP is still 'standing' here toe to toe with all.

Commitment to letting YOU discuss or not, there is a limit to how much energy can be spent on a controlling a 'trainwreck'. Its not that The PokeGym or its staff as a group takes one position or another on the OP's actions. Eventually, in any responding to any disaster, you just have to go get some sleep. There are a lot of you and very few of us. We're tired from dodging flying sheetmetal and pieces of everyone's heart.

You know why US Nats went so smoothly? The players knew what to do and they cared deeply to do it. They didn't do everything they might do on their home turf, they sacrificed some to be on the mark -- they did their part in honor to their game and in hopes to have a grand event. And they got it! Yes, fine leadership from P!P, and experienced, self-directed, low ego, team of staff. But the players made the event work and made it great. (Bravo!)

This thread is what you make it.

I would have to agree that this is very well said, Kim. Both sides of the coin, the players, and the judges, would not survive without the other. It's a "circle of life" so to speak, where each side relies heavily on the other for survival. We can't staff events if it's not for players, and the players can't participate in a staff-less event.

 

[Water Pokemon Master]

Something I've been thinking about...

Who in their right mind sells their own trophies? I've only ever won baseball and Speech and Debate trophies, but I'd never, ever sell them to anyone no matter how much they wanted them. Those trophies are an acknowledgment of your own accomplishments, which means they should really be useless to other people. It's something I've never understood about the Pokemon community.

 

[Scipio]

One word for you WPM.

Moolah.

Not everyone has no monetary issues at all, so they pawn off stuff. Collectibles, like one of a kind trophies, are very nice to sell in that regard.

 

[LOL@pokemons_staff]

Look bashing this guy does nothing. You can all talk about how wrong he was for doing this and all that crap, but it does no good.

Who is really at fault though? I mean when signing up for the professor cup you had to give fist and last name. You also had to give a pop ID. On top of all that he had to give his date of birth. I signed up for the professor cup and I know they had a long list of professors names that had POP IDs, date of birth, and how many professor points. Now if this kid wasn't a professor how did the POKEMON STAFF let him slide through? I mean it's obvious his name wasn't on the list. The date of birth clearly didn't match up. Anyone of those things could have stopped this kids fun right then and there. But we know how good pokemon's staff is.... well not that good, so this is how the kid gets through. Because pokemon lets people judge and staff who has no right of doing so. I don't think the entire time at nats I found more than 4 people who should have actually been staffing. The staff at nationals is a joke. The staff member that signed up this kid could have stopped everything, but he or she didn't. Didn't do a thing. From what I see in his article that was link in this thread says

" Anyways, I went up to registration and wrote my name down. I told the registers that I was new to all of this and held my own league (which I do!). They said they would look into the matter to make sure I was a judge. I thanked them knowing that if I was unable to play then it wouldn’t be a big deal to me."

If he truly runs a league he didn't lie. He was new to this. He had never played in a professor cup before. He didn't care one way or another if he got in, but he did get to play thanks to pokemon's staff.... So why are we wanting to give out life time bans to him? I mean what good will it do? I don't think it will do any good because pokemon loses another player. Someone who has bought cards in the past and runs a league which helps supports pokemon. Getting more people into the game and giving them a place to play. By banning him you are possible denying many kids from every getting to play this game. Do I agree with what he did? No, no I don't. Did I find it funny? Yes, yes I did. I couldn't stop laughing when I heard about it. I saw it as a chance to see how fail pokemon's staff is.

We all know that not all professor work hard to get to play in this. I mean it's a stupid test that has nothing to do with current pokemon. You take and pass. I'm sure for most people they don't take the test alone, nor do they take it at all. I'm sure some professor get other people to take their test for them. How can we really say he killed all the hard working professors chances of winning?? I mean I run a league and play in Pokemons events the rest of the time. I got to play in the professor cup. It isn't a lot of hard work. It truly isn't. It doesn't take a lot of work to get the points. If he killed someones dream by winning as a non-professor then you need to look at your life and see what is going wrong. I mean really... It wasn't right for him to do it. It wouldn't have happened if pokemon would get some people who deserve to be staff.

I mean at the end of the day nothing changes. It's a game. It isn't life or death. It is a game! Life goes on with or without pokemon. The game is fun and is meant for spirit of the game. Bashing someone this kid isn't spirit of the game. Him signing up knowing he couldn't play in the professor cup isn't spirit of the game. If you want to punish him to make yourself feel better then just ban him from being a professor. Let him play pokemon and enjoy this time with his friends. Let's stop the hating, the bashing, and the cyber bullying.

 

[NoPoke]

...... Let's stop the hating, the bashing, and the cyber bullying.

I agree with that last sentiment. Now what was it you said about the staff? hmmm, so I should take you seriously ??

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Trust is the glue that holds the pokemon community together. Breach that trust at your peril as the community may take a dim view of such behaviour.

 

[LOLZ]

Look bashing this guy does nothing. You can all talk about how wrong he was for doing this and all that crap, but it does no good.

Who is really at fault though? I mean when signing up for the professor cup you had to give fist and last name. You also had to give a pop ID. On top of all that he had to give his date of birth. I signed up for the professor cup and I know they had a long list of professors names that had POP IDs, date of birth, and how many professor points. Now if this kid wasn't a professor how did the POKEMON STAFF let him slide through? I mean it's obvious his name wasn't on the list. The date of birth clearly didn't match up. Anyone of those things could have stopped this kids fun right then and there. But we know how good pokemon's staff is.... well not that good, so this is how the kid gets through. Because pokemon lets people judge and staff who has no right of doing so. I don't think the entire time at nats I found more than 4 people who should have actually been staffing. The staff at nationals is a joke. The staff member that signed up this kid could have stopped everything, but he or she didn't. Didn't do a thing. From what I see in his article that was link in this thread says

" Anyways, I went up to registration and wrote my name down. I told the registers that I was new to all of this and held my own league (which I do!). They said they would look into the matter to make sure I was a judge. I thanked them knowing that if I was unable to play then it wouldn’t be a big deal to me."

If he truly runs a league he didn't lie. He was new to this. He had never played in a professor cup before. He didn't care one way or another if he got in, but he did get to play thanks to pokemon's staff.... So why are we wanting to give out life time bans to him? I mean what good will it do? I don't think it will do any good because pokemon loses another player. Someone who has bought cards in the past and runs a league which helps supports pokemon. Getting more people into the game and giving them a place to play. By banning him you are possible denying many kids from every getting to play this game. Do I agree with what he did? No, no I don't. Did I find it funny? Yes, yes I did. I couldn't stop laughing when I heard about it. I saw it as a chance to see how fail pokemon's staff is.

We all know that not all professor work hard to get to play in this. I mean it's a stupid test that has nothing to do with current pokemon. You take and pass. I'm sure for most people they don't take the test alone, nor do they take it at all. I'm sure some professor get other people to take their test for them. How can we really say he killed all the hard working professors chances of winning?? I mean I run a league and play in Pokemons events the rest of the time. I got to play in the professor cup. It isn't a lot of hard work. It truly isn't. It doesn't take a lot of work to get the points. If he killed someones dream by winning as a non-professor then you need to look at your life and see what is going wrong. I mean really... It wasn't right for him to do it. It wouldn't have happened if pokemon would get some people who deserve to be staff.

I mean at the end of the day nothing changes. It's a game. It isn't life or death. It is a game! Life goes on with or without pokemon. The game is fun and is meant for spirit of the game. Bashing someone this kid isn't spirit of the game. Him signing up knowing he couldn't play in the professor cup isn't spirit of the game. If you want to punish him to make yourself feel better then just ban him from being a professor. Let him play pokemon and enjoy this time with his friends. Let's stop the hating, the bashing, and the cyber bullying.

Join date today/1 post, Obvious sock puppet account. Why don't you say this on your main account? Knowing who you are lets others take your opinion seriously, just saying.

 

[LOL@pokemons_staff]

Join date today/1 post, Obvious sock puppet account. Why don't you say this on your main account? Knowing who you are lets others take your opinion seriously, just saying.

Actually it doesn't matter. I made my point in the post.

 

[losjackal]

It's too bad you're hiding behind a new account because you ask a couple of good questions. If you're truly looking for answers and discussion by publicly posting them, I'll offer a reply so others can decide for themselves.

Who is really at fault though? I mean when signing up for the professor cup you had to give fist and last name. You also had to give a pop ID. On top of all that he had to give his date of birth.

Well, if Biggie's opinion carries any weight with you, then Ayden/Justin is to blame. But Biggie also acknowledges that something went wrong. A few days ago it wasn't entirely clear yet.

If he truly runs a league he didn't lie. He was new to this. He had never played in a professor cup before. He didn't care one way or another if he got in, but he did get to play thanks to pokemon's staff....

It was a lie of omission. That's why when you testify in court, you are swearing to:

1. Tell the truth
2. The whole truth
3. And nothing but the truth

Pokemon event registration isn't a court of law, of course, but the act of lying goes beyond point #1. He didn't tell the whole truth, which was that he knew he wasn't a Professor. The discussion about points is immaterial, because a League Leader does not accumulate points if they aren't a Professor first.

So why are we wanting to give out life time bans to him? I mean what good will it do? I don't think it will do any good because pokemon loses another player. Someone who has bought cards in the past and runs a league which helps supports pokemon. Getting more people into the game and giving them a place to play. By banning him you are possible denying many kids from every getting to play this game.

Because there has to be a standard of what kind of people you want leading events and mentoring new players. This person's actions cannot be rewarded (you acknowledged that you don't agree with what he did), and furthermore P!P probably doesn't want him influencing new players if this is the type of judgment he is going to demonstrate. He said in an interview this week that he still would have played, even if he knew ahead of time that this would be the community reaction.

 

[LOL@pokemons_staff]

I only made this account because I couldn't recall the info to my old one. I never post on the gym before. Been a member for a couple years I read post never posted. The bashing of this kid is what finally pushed me to the point of wanting to post. Because I disagree with how people are treating this kid and other members.

Now Never did he say that he was a professor. He didn't lie. He said he was new to it and he was. He never done it before. He said his sorry and agreed to returning the items that he won. So I think that he is showing great character by doing so. If you also recall his friends influenced him into doing it. They didn't stop him. If they would have stopped him this issue could also have been stopped. There are MANY people at fault here. The staff member that signed him up could have stopped everything. Why doesn't that staff member just admit to signing him up. Take responsibility for the mistake she made. So if all of these people made mistakes and didn't something that shouldn't have been done why are we only focused on him?? It's because he won the tournament and they can't stand it. If he would have played and bombed no one would really care.

How can you say that he would influence fellow league member poorly??? We all have friends we get around and do stupid stuff with. EVER one has had a stupid moment with friends at one point or another. This was one of those. He learned his lesson. Almost everyone on here does nothing but bash on people. Yes, he deserves to be punished in some way. Life time ban? No, I don't think so. I clearly said just ban him from the professor program. It makes the haters happy and he doesn't get away scott free. Plus we don't have a say so in what happens to him, so why log on here and bash this kid? Even better... why bash the people who trying to defend him?? Do you get a sick pleasure out of doing so??

Again I say... Stop the hating, the bashing, and the cyber bullying.

 

[Volt]

I want to thank the following people for making my day:

>the troll who won: you sir, are a genius. cheated the system and exposed everything on the internet. some trolls can only wish to be like you, one day.

>the people posting over and over in this thread: well ok, i skipped 21 pages, but it just shows how hilarious this whole thing is.

>the flamers: as usual, great laugh.

>the guys from tpci (and other related people who think are in charge of anything) denying that it was also the stuff's fault: ridiculous as always.

>the people which kept it a secret from the staff AND the staff members who allowed to join him: as per tpci, you are not at fault and did great!

Another laughable, mundane matter in the Pokemon World. Quit whining already, the past can't be undone. Change the future. Use your time better than flaming and trolling. It's sad, boring, laughable and lame.

 

[NoPoke]

LOL@Pokemons_staff : It might help if you stopped your own bashing. The staff member made a mistake. A mistake born out of trust. If you have to make a mistake then that's one of the better ones to make.

As to the kid, he is a legal adult and needs to put away childish behaviours. Is he completely to blame for what transpired? Unlikely as none of us are islands but is he responsible for what happened? Yes, unequivocally.

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Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.


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I don't know who said that but it seems appropriate for the whole thread.