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Hey just wondering... I know OH now has a PTO... however what about Kentucky and the southern half of IN... they're still left out and have nothing... Is someone gonna take care of them? They have a good player base and deserve to be able to play as well.
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That's exactly what I was wondering.

Right now, I am focusing getting myself established. Maybe if no other PTO comes around for KY and IN, I maybe able to get some events out there. I will just have to take it as it comes I guess. Hopefully we will have that figured out by the time the Gym Challenges roll around.
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Thanks, and i hope someone will come around, because I REALLY wanted an Emerald PR, if possible, someone! :)
 
James and YJ.

This may sound like a cop-out, but I would rather play in a tournament than run a tournament. I went through all that "envoy" stuff when I was running wizkids tourneys. Good help is hard to find............

However, I will attempt to do what I can.
 
Hi my names Mathew Brockmann youll probably meet the Gillettes and they will most likiy introduc you to people. Good luck :wink: :wink: and see you.
 
AgentP: Thank you for taking up part of the resposibilities left behind by the Gillette's responsibilities in OH. I look forward to working with you at any time in the future.

However, I have just a general question. Can the Gillette's say anything, legally of course, to clarify the situation at hand? I hate to bring back a topic as old as this, but I think its pretty unclear on why they were banned. If its over a few minor things, as has been hinted at, then why not just a warning or temporary banning? This would be a much more suitable punishment for such an offense.

But if there is more behind it than this, I think it is in the public's best interest to know why such a harsh penalty was assigned so that we as a TO base could avoid such a mistake in the future. Again, as stated a bit earlier, the DCI lets the players know why a player or TO was suspended as to make things fair and apparent to the public. PUI/POP putting this behinds closed dorrs is a tad shady to me, as if they're hiding something. If there is no reason for removing PTO staus from the GIllette's and PUI/POP did this for no reason, I think we deserve to know. I'm very interested in the Gillette's side of the story, one which we have not heard.

Cardz out.
 
PTOs sign legally binding agreements to enter into the program. It has it's own rules and I'm positive its members are held to a higher standard than normal organizers/judges. It is unlikely we will ever know what actually occured. It's best just to focus on the future of organized play.
 
Dragonmaster8: Look into coming down to Sevierville for tourneys. We have had PRs for the last 2 sets and I am in the last stages of getting EX Emerald set up. It isnt too much of a drive for you from that part of KY.

As to the rest of this thread, being a lawyer, there are important clauses contained within CONTRACTS. DGL signed one with POP/PUI to become a PTO. IF you break those rules, consequences happen. From reading Dav's and others higher up in Pokeland, the Gillettes have messed up big time in POP/PUI's eyes. Guess what...POP/PUI has the last word on who gets to be PTOs. And please, Ohio players, give any new PTO a break, at least you will be getting some tourneys. I have never met the Gillettes, but they seem to be great people from the number of posts and support they are getting. But, I also find their SILENCE here as an indication that maybe they have accepted what has happened OR are trying like the dickens to "fix" things BEHIND the SCENES with POP/PUI like they OUGHT TO. To protect the PRIVACY of all PTOs, POP will not be telling "us" (the commoners) what happened with the Gillettes. Please stop flaming Farbsman.....he has been vindicated by Prof. Dav and others. MAYBE the Gillettes can help their own cause by posting here that Derek wasn't the one at fault.

ANY player that causes an outburst/disturbance at an Ohio tourney or Nat'ls (bc of the Gillettes removal) should be permanently banned and/or prosecuted to the highest degree possible. There is NO room in this game for behavior like that! My question to you Ohio players is this. If the Gillettes are like 'family', has any of you actually spoken to them since this has happened to get their take on this??? IF the Gillettes want to talk about it, and it's their decision to do so or not (unless their is a confidentiality clause in that POP contract too), they will let you know why. If I was an Ohio player or a player affected by this change in PTO status, I would be showing POP/PUI that I WANT tourneys in Ohio and will support WHOEVER they use. You turn away in silent protest and you may end up cutting off your own nose to spite your face. POP may not come back to help out after NAt'ls and may end up relocating Natls (if possible) to another convention/venue. Just my 2 cents worth.

Keith
 
Lawman said:
ANY player that causes an outburst/disturbance at an Ohio tourney or Nat'ls (bc of the Gillettes removal) should be permanently banned and/or prosecuted to the highest degree possible. There is NO room in this game for behavior like that!
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I am not advocating anyone doing anything at nationals; BUT

at the same time, I worry when people start talking about protest as being punishable behavior.

Dissenting view and protest are not bad things, they are good things which should be treated with respect.

I am not claiming that you or anyone else is doing otherwise - yet. But we're tredding a really fine line here.

Respect is a two way street - I would hope that any persons who were meaning to express their views would do so in a responsible manner. And I would hope that all the rest would not attempt to censor that view.

Just some food for thought.
 
There's a big difference between a protest/disagreement and an outburst/disturbance.

Those posts above that are protests and disagreements are still there and the posters can post more.
Those posts above that were oubursts/disturbances are no longer there and the posters are banned, in some cases.

Same thing at Nationals.
 
I feel bad for the Ohio players who lose some of the most dedicated PTOs in the game. And I feel bad for the Gillettes who have given so much to this game.

But does anybody really think that Pokemon USA did this on a whim?

And didn't anyone find it odd that there was a post from the Gillettes a week or so ago asking about Nationals and who was staffing it? Prof. Dav said that it had already been taken care of. At that point (and considering that it was the Gillettes who staffed Nationals last year), it seemed that something was already afoot.

I think that there are certain players in this game who could mess things up for the rest of us. I trust Prof. Dav and PUI to recognize who those are and realize that they don't speak for the rest of us.
 
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Dragonmaster8: Look into coming down to Sevierville for tourneys. We have had PRs for the last 2 sets and I am in the last stages of getting EX Emerald set up. It isnt too much of a drive for you from that part of KY.

As to the rest of this thread, being a lawyer, there are important clauses contained within CONTRACTS. DGL signed one with POP/PUI to become a PTO.


Keith
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Hey Lawman... part of the reason the KY players are gonna struggle more is they don't have the luxery to travel. They really can't afford to go from state to state and the hotels and stuff that often like that. They're really good people that want to play and travel simply isn't an option for them like it is for others. They're at the mercy of who ever is willing to give them tournaments (And that was the gillettes so far, Vince Krekler had one tournament... maybe 2 there)

Also... just to clear this up. DLG (Steve) wasn't the PTO, Margaret was (Dayton Pokemom).
 
I just realized sice Margaret isnt pto they probaply wont take me to any more events Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :eek: OOOOOOOOOOO :eek: oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :eek: OOOOOOOOOOO :eek: ooooooooooo
 
No one said the Gillettes couldn't go to events, they just can't run them. Thx YJ for the clarification on who the PTO is, my bad. Dont take my post on "punishment" to mean no one canhave their 1st Amendment rights removed. I just meant no outburst disruptions should be punished. If you want to wear an armband or t-shirt supporting the Gillettes, that is fine. Just be tasteful and respectful of all the other pokemon players there who are there to PLAY the game, not get in the middle of a peeing contest w/ POP and the Ohio players/Gillettes.

As for traveling, I have very few players in my "gym" that travel, but we have gotten a PTO from Chattanooga (thx Jon :) to come up here some after traveling to his events in Chattanooga. Travel a few times, make friends and then gently presuade them that your area will support PRs etc. I'm sure someone in KY traveled at least once to get the Gillettes attention?

Keith
 
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No one said the Gillettes couldn't go to events, they just can't run them. Thx YJ for the clarification on who the PTO is, my bad. Dont take my post on "punishment" to mean no one canhave their 1st Amendment rights removed. I just meant no outburst disruptions should be punished. If you want to wear an armband or t-shirt supporting the Gillettes, that is fine. Just be tasteful and respectful of all the other pokemon players there who are there to PLAY the game, not get in the middle of a peeing contest w/ POP and the Ohio players/Gillettes.

As for traveling, I have very few players in my "gym" that travel, but we have gotten a PTO from Chattanooga (thx Jon :) to come up here some after traveling to his events in Chattanooga. Travel a few times, make friends and then gently presuade them that your area will support PRs etc. I'm sure someone in KY traveled at least once to get the Gillettes attention?

Keith
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The farthest I've seen anyone other than my friend there travel is a half hour away. The Gillettes made everything fairly close for them because of their travel restrictions.
 
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You want to blame someone, you blame me. The decision was mine, and I will not discuss all of the issues or details of why the decision was made. You may be upset about this, but the decision was made from a business operations standpoint, and many things were considered in the decision. PUI will not discuss this issue further as it is between the Gillettes and ourselves. Trust me, this is not our preferred decision EVER, as it creates a great deal of additional work for everyone and can be very hard on a local playerbase.

There will be a Gym Challenge in Ohio, even if PUI has to fly to Ohio and run it ourselves, and we are making our best efforts towards having an Emerald Prerelease in Ohio, though, the prerelease may be a difficult task to have scheduled. Don't go making assumptions just because you're mad.

I'm sure that the events that the Gillettes ran in Ohio were excellent events for thier players, and they are certainly still welcome to host leagues and tournaments, though the decision to do so is entirely up to them.

No single PTO's word is good enough for me to discontinue our relationship with another PTO. Not Derek, not anyone, and I take all of my PTOs very seriously. I may take comments into account, but actions speak much louder than words.

Dave
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This is my first post, got this account so that I could reply and express my sincere disappointment in your decision. I appreciate the fact you are taking blame. As such, I will express my concerns with your decision directly to you.

Since you are not disclosing the reason for the decision I can only go be what I know as fact, that is the timing of your decision. It seems your decision was made in haste. Without thought to the upcoming planned and advertised events. The short notice and cancelling of events demonstrates and lack of foresight on your part, and comes across as a knee-jerk, emotional response to something that you did not like. I would hope that any future decisions you make include more thought. As you are an official representative of Pokemon, this reflects poorly on the organization as a whole.

My son and I have been playing in Pokemon tournaments for a couple years now. Just about every tournament we've played in has been run by the Gillettes. During this time we have met many new people, some of which we consider now as friends. This is true of the Gillettes.

They have done a great deal to promote interest in the game of Pokemon, to ensure that people understand the spirit of the game, and to ensure fairness. They have gone out of their way to ensure that kids have opportunity to play, to include bringing kids to tournaments. In fact, if it were not for them my son would not have had the opportunity to compete in Indiana. I couldn't attend that tournament, and they graciously offered to take him. And frankly, I trusted them enough to allow him to leave the state with them.

There have been tournaments, in which the software was messed up or other glitches occurred, and they went above an beyond to correct and to make the best of a bad situation. It wasn't until I read all of these comments, that I learned that it was them supplying the additional packs that they often gave away to "ensure fairness," even though the sense of fairness was lost due to faulty systems not of their making.

We attended the Kentucky State tournament. I could tell that those from Kentucky were fairly new to this. The Gillettes finally gave them decent access to competitions. By the end to the event, I overheard a family decide that they wanted to start doning this on a regular basis. They had a good time and they appreciated the spirit of the game that was present in the during the tournament.

I'm glad the Gillettes decided to continue to run their league and host tournaments in Dayton.

I sounds like you are trying to get the tournaments up an running in OHIO hopefully this will occur quickly. What about Kentucky?

Are Emerald cards going to be permitted in the regional tournaments? If they are, you need to make sure every area has access to Pre-release tournaments, or you will definately have people who will have a distinct disadvantage, just because of where they live. These regionals are offering scholarsips, and to think a decision you made, may skew the outcome of these tournament such that not everyone will be have equal access to cards a week or so before the tournament, is simply unfair.
 
Liz64 said:
It seems your decision was made in haste. Without thought to the upcoming planned and advertised events. The short notice and cancelling of events demonstrates and lack of foresight on your part, and comes across as a knee-jerk, emotional response to something that you did not like. I would hope that any future decisions you make include more thought. As you are an official representative of Pokemon, this reflects poorly on the organization as a whole.
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I don't want to speak for PUI, but I look at this very differently.

I think that PUI knew EXACTLY what the repercussions of this would be.

And, even knowing that, they felt that the offenses were serious enough that, without regard to the consequences, the punishment had to be dealt.

To take that even further, Prof. Dav said that PUI would fly in judges to run these events. Consider that for a moment. PUI could have said "Well, let's wait until after the events to do this" and gotten off "cheap." But instead, they chose to deal out the punishment in a timely manner even though it's going to cost them more money.

We don't know what happened and probably should never know. It's not our business. But it was serious enough in PUI's eyes to warrant this action NOW.

I think this action reflects extraordinarily well on PUI. It shows that they are driven by a set of standards without regard to the situation. There are rules to be followed and there are not "situational ethics" in play. It's black and white.
 
I've stayed away from this thread so far but it seems that there is an issue of openess that isn't being addressed.

So here's my position

1) I'm prejudiced. Probably like the majority of 'gymers.

2)What does that prejudice mean? It means that I have an opinion. possibly one that is based upon personal experience rather than the details.

3) Is prejudice bad? Only if you are unable to put your prejudices to one side when you consider the information available. And only if you are unable to let go of fondly held prejudices when the evidence suggest that you are wrong.

4) Is a lack of information bad? usually yes. It leads to further entrenchment of personal prejudices and results in an increase in suspicion and accusations.

5) So should we be told everything? Oddly I'll say NO.

6) What should we be told? Sufficient that we can learn from the events.


So just announcing that someone has been removed from the programme or has had their status reduced is a bad thing without some justification to back it up. Justice has to be done and has to be seen to be done!


btw you do realise that It shows that they are driven by a set of standards without regard to the situation is double edged :-D but there I digress.
 
I'll bet if POP disclosed the reason(s) for booting the Gillettes, many would be shouting, "THAT'S SUCH A LAME REASON!"

Lawman, how do you know the Gillettes violated their PTO contractual agreement? Speculation. Heck, I speculated about what the Gillettes might have done based on an expulsion that happened recently to a well-respected Decipher dAgent (product champion) and PokeMom deleted my posts. Contract violation or not, I agree with you that POP can boot PTOs at their whim, just like employers can boot employees at their whim. Heck, maybe the reason for booting the Gillettes was purely a business decision and had nothing to do with violating PTO contractual agreements.

NoPoke, well said!
 
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Lawman, how do you know the Gillettes violated their PTO contractual agreement? Speculation. Heck, I speculated about what the Gillettes might have done based on an expulsion that happened recently to a well-respected Decipher dAgent (product champion) and PokeMom deleted my posts. Contract violation or not, I agree with you that POP can boot PTOs at their whim, just like employers can boot employees at their whim. Heck, maybe the reason for booting the Gillettes was purely a business decision and had nothing to do with violating PTO contractual agreements.
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You know, there's a BIG difference IMO (and in the opinion of the admins of the board) between simply stating that a contract could have been violated, and drawing parallels to what someone did to get booted from another program. Sort of like the old 'so, are you still beating your spouse?' question: why bring up a circumstance which very well could NOT have anything to do with the situation at hand and insinuate that the situation could be the same, here?

IMHO THAT'S unfair, and is why the posts were deleted.

'mom
 
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