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SteveP: It is easy. A contract runs both ways. Sometimes, the checks and balances within are fairly even, other times it sways heavily to one side. But, it is still a contract! If one side breaches that contract, the other side has a legal recourse at their disposal. Therefore, if PUI/POP found it necessary to terminate the Gillettes PTO status (ie cancel their PTO contract), they had better have a good, valid reason OR THEY could be sued for breach of contract. Just because PUI/POP may hold most of the cards (pun intended) in this contract, they don't hold all the cards. Also, see posts # 26, 31 & 49 from Prof. Dav. He says it was his decision, it wasn't an easy or hastily made decision, but one that was necessary from a business position. Like it or not, this is a business, not just a game. IF the Gillettes (notice the IF because I don't KNOW that they actually violated anything, I wasn't part of that decision) did something wrong, the rest of Ohio needs to accept what PUI has done and move on with open arms for their new PTO(s). I also didn't speculate as to what they did, judt used the circumstantial evidence of their removal by PUI, plus the posts by Prof. Dav and GymLeaderPhil, amongs others to "figure out" that the Gillettes most likely violated some term(s) of the PTO contract. Not a great leap there, my friend.

Likewise, it is very easy for the Gillettes to come on here, post a thnk you for all the support posts and encourage their players to be respectful of the tournaments that will go on and for the players to support the game. Again, just my 2 cents.

Keith
 
Dragonmaster8: Look into coming down to Sevierville for tourneys. We have had PRs for the last 2 sets and I am in the last stages of getting EX Emerald set up. It isnt too much of a drive for you from that part of KY.
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Thanks Lawman, I'll try and be there. It's just I had put all my hopes in one basket for having a tournament in my hometown. Then that basket burst up in flames. So, i'm sorry for having been angry earlier, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone by my posts earlier. But, I will try and make it to Sevierville whne the official information gets posted up. :)
 
Lawman, I haven't seen the PTO contract, but is there a clause that states POP can terminate a PTO for "other reasons?" I'd assume there is since lots of agreements typically have "catch all" clauses.

Anyway, I'm not sure how binding the PTO/POP contract is. If I was a PTO and wanted to leave the program for "other reasons," I'd hope that would be possible. But if I could leave for "other reasons," I'd expect that POP could likewise terminate for "other reasons."

Who knows if the Gillettes did anything strictly forbidden in the PTO contract. Maybe it was for "other reasons."

That's all.
 
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Lawman said:
Likewise, it is very easy for the Gillettes to come on here, post a thnk you for all the support posts and encourage their players to be respectful of the tournaments that will go on and for the players to support the game. Again, just my 2 cents.

Keith
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Okay my personal opinion is that at the moment the Gillettes are being very wise to stay the hell away from this post. I am sure they are very pleased with the support they are getting, perplexed at the reasoning behind POP's decision and probably awaiting official confirmation.

Anything they could or would say here will not make the situation any better and could make it a whole lot worse.

I do agree with NoPoke though that Justice needs to be seen to be done here and we do need more than speculation as to why the Gillettes have been treated this way?

At present we have an TO program that does not have any clear rules above the one principle we all know of.. It is an at will relationship and POP can break it when they like .. but unlike a job you can be fired for no stated reason and you have no real recourse if you think there is no good reason for it.

As we have seen in Holland it is hard to stop the train crashing once it starts to leave the tracks. I hope that we all get to know a stated reason for the Gillettes demotion.. if only to avoid that trap ourselves.
 
UKPoke: But unlike the Holland situation (no contract there), the Gillettes have a contract with PUI/POP. All I was saying above the Gillettes could still support the game by telling their player base to RESPECT the game and the other gamers that will be there.

Keith
 
Lawman said:
UKPoke: But unlike the Holland situation (no contract there), the Gillettes have a contract with PUI/POP. All I was saying above the Gillettes could still support the game by telling their player base to RESPECT the game and the other gamers that will be there.

Keith
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And I suspect they are doing just that where they can, I also suspect that they have a good reason maybe a contractual one for staying out of Dodge.

I say again I doubt anything they could post here would make the situation better and in that case they are doing the best thing possible and staying silent on an issue that must pain them more than any of us that have not been there could know.
 
AgentP said:
I will just have to take it as it comes I guess. Hopefully we will have that figured out by the time the Gym Challenges roll around.
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I'm sure you will do a great job! Congrates on becoming a PTO :thumb:
 
The Gorn said:
I don't want to speak for PUI, but I look at this very differently.

I think that PUI knew EXACTLY what the repercussions of this would be.

And, even knowing that, they felt that the offenses were serious enough that, without regard to the consequences, the punishment had to be dealt.

To take that even further, Prof. Dav said that PUI would fly in judges to run these events. Consider that for a moment. PUI could have said "Well, let's wait until after the events to do this" and gotten off "cheap." But instead, they chose to deal out the punishment in a timely manner even though it's going to cost them more money.

We don't know what happened and probably should never know. It's not our business. But it was serious enough in PUI's eyes to warrant this action NOW.

I think this action reflects extraordinarily well on PUI. It shows that they are driven by a set of standards without regard to the situation. There are rules to be followed and there are not "situational ethics" in play. It's black and white.
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We don't know if the decision was based upon a set of standards or based upon and emotional, biased whim. The reasoning has not been disclosed. Of course, they right to terminate without cause, at will with or without good reason. However, it is good business practice to only terminate/demote/discipline based upon just cause. We will likely not know whether this was based upon just cause or not.

I've had to make decisions to terminate employees. When such a decision had to be made. I made sure any tasks assigned to these individuals were done, even if I had to do them myself. So far, Prof. Dave has not ensured all such tasks have been take care of. So far he's committed only to the gym challenges and found a PTO for the Ohio prelease. There are still tournaments that have not been scheduled and no committment to get it done.

While people would like to be assured the demotion was based upon good cause, this we may never know, and perhaps that's okay. What's not okay, it that the reponsibilities they had have not been taken care of.
 
Liz64 said:
So far he's committed only to the gym challenges and found a PTO for the Ohio prelease. There are still tournaments that have not been scheduled and no committment to get it done.
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Don't take the lack of official announcements to indicate that nothing is being done. Public announcements are the last step of any planning process.
 
Liz64, great words!

Will the void be filled? I can only speculate, but I guess it will, knowing how responsible and concerned POP is.

Regarding "just cause," that can sometimes be very subjective. When we terminated an employee a couple years ago, the cause seemed "just" to my wife and I. However, the local Unemployment Agency felt differently, and we were compelled to pay unemployment benefits.

When the Gillettes get their letter of termination from POP, if they feel they were terminated unjustly, I'm sure they'll tell us. Otherwise, I'm sure the cause was just. JMO.
 
Seeing as how they posted on their website that they are no longer PTOing and did not say it was unfair, I think that they may agree with POP's decision.
 
Water Pokemon Master said:
Seeing as how they posted on their website that they are no longer PTOing and did not say it was unfair, I think that they may agree with POP's decision.
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But WPM, don't you think they're wanting to clear things up themselves? Usually, like someone else said, public statements are the LAST things on the list.
 
Water Pokemon Master said:
Seeing as how they posted on their website that they are no longer PTOing and did not say it was unfair, I think that they may agree with POP's decision.
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No it doesn't. It just means that they don't want to get into a big public fight over it.
 
WPM maybe they were just putting it up for those of us in their player base that regularly check the website so we would know... not all the players in OH check the gym, some of them check their site more often and that would let them know.
 
PokePop said:
No it doesn't. It just means that they don't want to get into a big public fight over it.
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Maybe. But, I'll just bet you that if they felt unfairly treated, they would've said something. It's human nature to speak out when you feel you've been wronged.

After all is said and done, if they say nothing, they either settled or they were justly treated.
 
Maybe. But, I'll just bet you that if they felt unfairly treated, they would've said something. It's human nature to speak out when you feel you've been wronged.
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No it's not, first you try to get information in silence, answers, facts whatever, to solve or get things cleared without bringing it public.
Being silent is not the same as agree.
 
I know this isn't the case now, but for a little while I was hoping this was one, large, planned out and started early April Fools Joke. Oh well, I guess it wasn't. lol.
 
meganium45 said:
I must admit I was very surprised to hear this...and PUI made it clear to me that it was not because of Derek...let's not push this on him.

PUI would not go into details with me, but stated that they were being removed from the PTO program, and, as I am one of the PTOs in the area, wanted to make me aware of the situation, because I was sure to hear about it.

I doubt it was over anything minor, as PTOs are all human, and all of us have made mistakes from here to there. I have no idea what would have caused this, and wish I did, for I certainly would not want to step in the same hole.

Anyone that would have questions about the PTO program, in general, please PM me, or for those that know me, call me and I will be happy to talk to you about the program. I am sure any other PTO would offer this as well.

Hope we find a replacement out of Ohio ASAP!

M45
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:mad:NNOO! No one can replace the Gillettes! :mad:
 
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