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Proposing a possible first: Ban from Unlimited?

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I think what people are getting at is mainly unlimited with "house rules". and when you get enough people doing the same house rules, you get a nice little extra modified.
I think that unlimited should be just that, unlimited, but I'm all for a second modified where instead of sets being cut out, specific cards from each set are cut out.
 
True. I to thought about that. But what else can we do? If you don't want to change it, then don't complain about it. Slowking isn't unbeatable.
 
I must be honest with you, I never played a full-fledged Standard battle (I don't have much leauge/tourney access at all), and even when I run across Slowking, it is on Apprentice, and I haven't played that in about a year. Anyway, my take on this is Slowking shouldn't be banned from Standard. Slowking is not invinceable (unlike Feraligatr from the Rocket-On days....back then every deck had Caterpie, Erika's Bellsprout, and even Giovanni's Nidoran just to counter it...those were the days), and could be knocked out and countered if you build a powerful deck around it. However, I wouldn't mind its ruling to be changed to the original Japanese; it would make Slowking a much fairer card to play, considering Slowking's other stats (not too good retreat and not the best of attacks). Unlimited means "no limits," so therefore I believe anyone should play any card legal for tournament play. Like someone else posted earlier, one ban in Unlimited just leads to more banning until we're left with our weakest cards. I am starting to get more interested in the Japanese point-based card restrictions, though....
 
What beats Slowking in Unlimited is originality. I played Slowking/Sneasel/Murkrow at Worlds Wizards/ Professor Challenge, and the only matches I lost were against very original decks. I placed 16th overall, and the deck beat almost anything. But Blaine's Charizard, f. ex. managed to beat the deck.
 
I got a Private Message to reply to this?!?!?

Your kidding right? Ban Genesis Slowking?!?!

First of all. It is my honest opinion that I agree with the Wizards of the Coast reasons why Anciet Mew and Birthday Pikachu got banned. ANcient Mew because it's written in gibberish and the only way to play the card is by a translation (reminds me of another set of cards too *cough GOD CARDS cough*). ANd Birthday Pikachu because you need a birth certificate (a legal document) to prove that today's your birthday or else you'll be LYING! I honestly believe in these reasons.

But to ban Genesis Slowking because it's powerful!!?!? Oh that's so wrong!

There are a lot of cards in the the pool to counter it, I can name 5 off the top of my head. Discovery Igglybuff (shut off Slowking for a turn to play your trainers), Genesis Pichu (wanna play Slowking, fine. 20 Damage to it!), Fossil Muk (SHUT THAT POWER OFF BAH-BEE!), Fossil Aerodactyl (Slowking is an Evolution you know), and Goop Gas Attacks (yeah it shuts off powers for a turn and it's a trainer, but if you want to take a chance...).

There are ways around Genesis Slowking. Even reinforce it too if you combine it with Dark Vileplume and Genesis Murkrow.

Ban Slowking. Nope.
 
Personally, I agree with the point that unlimited is unlimited for a reason.
If Slowking was reprinted with the right text, great.
Maybe a second modified (say, Neo on again?) could be made, great.

But banning a card from unlimited just shoots down everything that unlimited IS, it's a place to play all your old cards, have fun - see, FUN, nothing serious - with your friends, or other people...
If you want to run your own tourney with unlimited format, but a ban on Slowking, then nothing's stopping you, is it?

So... no. I don't think Slowking should be banned.
 
Many of you said a right thing: Unlimited is Unlimited, cards cannot be banned.
We all know that US Slowking is broken, and Japanese version is not.
The most valuable solution, I think, is - as 1 of you proposed - to authorize a new format, different from Unlimited. A Restricted format, with some Ban as Sneasel, Slowking, and - why not - CPU Search, and so on.
PUI has the right to make rulings on the cards, they are now responsibles for this game, and for all formats. WoTC was able on that when cards were produced by them, but they can no longer make any more rulings on Slowking.
Neo-on is gone, the Ban is gone too.
Or PUI makes an Errata on Slowking (which is difficult as banning it was, but it's the best thing to do), or PUI leaves Slowking in all its brokeness in Unlimited. But where's fun? Yes there are many cards to counter the King, but if I want to make an Unlimited deck, why have I to cut out cards (and room) from my deck only to add the Slowking counters, as I know that 90% I'll find a Slowking in my opponent's arena?

We should suggest to make an Errata on the website, and on te Floor Rules too. And each and every Professor that runs an Unlimited tournament should advice players before the start that an errata was made.
Do you know how much time we (in Italy) had to spend to explain to players that the 2nd attack of Dark Ursaring was mis-translated in italian, so that it seemed to be the same Sneasel's Beat Up attack? Many of them made a Dark Ursaring deck, but - after explaining the real version of the card - they started to cry 'cause their deck were useless.

Maybe the same thing will happen with Slowking... but only at the start. After, all players will know about the errata and troubles will be out.

That's my .2 eurocents :)
 
I personally hate Unlimited, because I always get creamed. I mean, all those cards you have to use, and so on and so forth, and seeing I missed expansions here and there, and have never actually collected a whole set, let alone be able to make a good deck out of it, @_@.

I really could care less about it all....
 
I agree with what most of you have said. Unlimited is Unlimited. Cards shouldn't be banned and Unlimited can't be balanced. Simple as that. Now, seeing how I got out of the game around Neo 2 or 3, I never saw Slowking be that much of a problem. Heck, for that matter, the only real Sneasel decks around here were my friend Erick's Aku deck and the pretenders that tried to copy him. SER, on the other hand, I saw abused constantly by others and myself. And yet, I wouldn't want to see it banned from Unlimited. Now, if you're talking about a special format like Neo Block, then by all means, ban Sneasel! Send that little devil right back to--oh wait, it's Slowking that worries you. :) Ban him, too, I guess. But let Unlimited be Unlimited.
 
Leave that SlowKing alone!!

I disagreed with the California recall and I disagree with this movement to ban card(s) from unlimited play. Yes, I say cards because this is where it begins. Counter moves have been found for most all others cards, but because many found the answer to the SlowKing riddle elusive, they banned it from modified play. Now that it has enter the realm of Unlimited play, he should remain untouchable.

Why not just propose a ban list for every tournament and take a vote for which cards the participants want to exclude? Because that would be utterly ridiculous, and lead to chaos, as would this proposal.

The answer to SlowKing is out there however obscure. Focus on the answer!!
 
I've always viewed unlimited as the Battlegrounds of Veteran Pokémon Players. The ones that have been involved since the Base sets were released. Then slowly the players with 2 or 3 years experience.
Its a tough format no doubt and it does take true grit to play in this format simply because there's a good chance of getting clobbered.

My first exposure to Unlimited was Slowking/Sneasel. It wasn't long before I figured out how to get around Slowking and soon he disappeared from our area. Some newbies come in occasionally and try to play him, but he just ends up as prize bait.

At the 2003 Gencon, I saw several different deck types, using various combinations, not one dominated. I don't recall seeing an overbearing presence of Slowking there.

Slowking should stay, every game needs an antagonist, or it wouldn't be much fun.
 
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Hmm, the biggest problem I see with Sloking is the vast difference in how it plays between the Japanese and American versions. I believe it should be standardized to the orginally intended action, which is apparently the Japansese. Errata or reprint, but get the two versions in line. Otherwise it's a mess for international competition. That would make banning a moot point.
 
A format with banned cards (slowking) is then no longer unlimited. The best way to stop slowking dominating without limiting unlimited is errata/reprint. Alot of people won't know about the errata, which causes complaining slowking players holding up a tournament. A reprint would be best, because it would then allow a (most of the time) non-broken slowking in modified (slowking active, armaldo on bench :p)
 
the biggest problem I see with Sloking is the vast difference in how it plays between the Japanese and American versions.
Click to expand...

And that's the rub - there is a big difference in how Japanese Trainers and American Trainers play.
 
I agree. Slowking can be very annoying and obnoxious when your opponent has three or more on the Bench waiting to take away all hopes of turning the game around to your favor. After all, a fun game shouldn't make someone feel that way! I would like to get Slowking exiled from the world of "strategic" Unlimited Pokemon, but it's not that strategic with Slowking in the wave of tyranny. It would be the most powerful playable card to ever get banned. I would conclude, if _______'s Pikachu is considered "overpowered", then certainly Slowking should get banned. Of all the mistakes the Pokemon TCG has ever made, Slowking is the worst. I LOVE this idea, since I HATE Slowking! And I would like to offer a list to Nintendo to ban Slowking if all those in favor of strategy over power would type their username on this thread. I will print out this list and possibly get PTCO to do the same as us. Things like this have worked successfully on PTCO, so I wouldn't know why a more intelligent site couldnt do the same with a greater outcome. Come on, Pokegym! I know that this won't do much by itself, but if we have enough agreements, it could do something. Here's mine:

Lion_of_Darkness
dkates
Magnechu
Kyfogre22

Please, we need more replies! This stuff does work, believe it or not...
 
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.. I'm in favour of a reprint, but not an outright ban. If it's an outright ban, then you can't call it unlimited, and your proposal is actually for a new format.
 
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