Raichu LV X: Errata Needed?

[lolganium]

You do realize that both cards are named "Raichu"?
There is no card named "Raichu LvX".
You will never see a Level X card call itself "XXXX LvX"

actually raichu LVX refers to itself as raichu LVX. but then later says 'cant be used if raichu is effected by a special condition.'

either way, you voltage shoot ... then you voltage shoot / slice / split ball / burst ball / agillity / thunderbolt / electromagnetic induction / explosive thunder (3 chu's, soso many attacks to choose from)

 

[PokePop]

actually raichu LVX refers to itself as raichu LVX. but then later says 'cant be used if raichu is effected by a special condition.'

either way, you voltage shoot ... then you voltage shoot / slice / split ball / burst ball / agillity / thunderbolt / electromagnetic induction / explosive thunder (3 chu's, soso many attacks to choose from)

These problems arise because the english cards introduce phrasing that just doesn't exist on the Japanese cards.
Self references are all "this Pokemon".
If they would switch over to phrasing like that, it would help me save what hair I have left.

 

[stalkerex]

These problems arise because the english cards introduce phrasing that just doesn't exist on the Japanese cards.
Self references are all "this Pokemon".
If they would switch over to phrasing like that, it would help me save what hair I have left.

:lol:

Again I agree.
I think we should switch are wordings around
for the better.

Our way brings so many questions

 

[lolganium]

These problems arise because the english cards introduce phrasing that just doesn't exist on the Japanese cards.
Self references are all "this Pokemon".
If they would switch over to phrasing like that, it would help me save what hair I have left.

at the end of the day, any serious player really should have seen the *** translation... its a big assumption, but i think it is a just one. in this theory only a player that aint so serious that maybe just plays at league, or even just woth mates aint gonna know this... but that dont matter cause they're playing simply for the lolz. and any player that is top notch that aint seen the *** wording is gonna find out pretty quickly while playing it. we all know you can voltage shoot then use another attack, so the wording shouldn't be too big of a deal.

but on-topic: this card is part of a new 'wave' as it were ... with wording technicalities. lower case power revers to any green symbol or read symbol with words in it. same as sableye, this card certainly doesn't need an errata on that

considering i keep getting banned of off-topic posting lately i'll say this: the initial questin of the topic has already been answered, the discussion that even a mod has gotten into that doesn't relate to the origional thread topic needs its own thread.

 

[GOROY]

The question I'm wondering from the English wording is: Can I use Voltage Shoot as the second attack?

 

[Scizor]

Yes, you can use Voltage Shot twice. That's how it's played in Japan.

 

[GOROY]

I know that's how it is played in Japan, I just want to double check- the pokebody says "use another of raichu's attacks" afterall.

 

[Ness]

I agree that it should be a Poke-Power. If it is a Poke-Body, it should be worded like a Poke-Body and not be turned off by special conditions. Inconsistencies on card text are very frustrating because they confuse and discourage newer players. There's a lot of text in Pokemon that I wish was removed to simplify the game. The 2 on 2 idea was the worst of any of these, and the worst thing ever to be introduced to the game. All it's done is confuse thousands of players by including "Each Active Pokemon" on dozens of cards.

 

[Magic_Umbreon]

I agree with Ness.

One big problem I see all across pokémon is the card game almost being "politically correct" with the franchise. Instead of taking an interesting direction as a card game it must conform to the other pokémon elements such as the video game whenever possible. The worst case of this is definitely the 2v2 mechanic but I think it's deeper than that. Some game mechanics have ended up sending the TCG in a direction away from the game boy games! E.g. darkness/metal introduced in the neo sets to match the new types of the game boy pokémon ended up being used mainly as energies on non-metal pokémon.

Items are another silly mechanic to attempt to match the DS games. TCG-exclusive mechanics such as delta pokémon work significantly better than dodgy wordings like "Rocket's pokémon" and gym leaders to match the game boy games. It's nice to see common elements, but these end up very unconventional in practice. Some special conditions are emulated e.g. sleep and poison, but others are not, e.g. freeze and the way the bench works (special conditions going away against staying in the game boy).

What next? Abilities, gender and egg moves?

 

[Tego]

I agree with both of you about the "each active Pokémon". The number of times I've had to explain that confusing part to new players at convention demoing or any kind of tournament, must be an awful big number I don't even want to think of.

I also think features like Rocket's Pokémon and Galactic's Pokémon and berries/items are really silly, however, I think they're actually good for beginners. They add to the "coolness" factor of this TCG, and the joy of recognizability, for all kids who go from the DS games to the TCG (i.e. 90 % or so of all new players). These might be confusing and annoying to a routined TCG expert, but to kids they're no obstruction, just fun. "Each active Pokémon" - that's obstruction and unnecessary confusion.

What next? Abilities, gender and egg moves?

We already have abilities - Pokébodies. Genders - why not? If people think it's fun, we can add this little piece of flavor text along with the equally non-effecting LV information, sure. Egg moves? That sounds like it will induce some very*twisted changes to this game's mechanics. XD

 

[PokePop]

I don't play the DS game.
What's an "egg move"?

 

[chriscobi634]

I don't play the DS game.
What's an "egg move"?

a move that can only be learned by a Pokemon by breeding it with another Pokemon in it's same Egg group.

 

[Pikamaster]

^^Here is a link to the page on serebii that has egg moves and egg groups and stuff like that if you want more info.

 

[MPressive]

What next? Abilities, gender and egg moves?

This is one of the beauties of a card game based on something that is in other realms as well. As long as the video game continues to expand and add new mechanics, devices, etc. our card game can continue to expand. I think it would be great to add some of these things.

As for Raichu:

I agree that the wording is troubling, but I disagree with those saying that it should be a power. In my opinion the main reason why it is a body is to let you continue to play out your turn after playing him from your hand. Because you must use a certain one of his attacks and it must be the turn he is dropped, having this be a power would make it seem like a coming into play effect meaning you would need to immediately attack after playing him.

If it was made into a power, that may be the case where you would need to attack right away. Not that this is a bad thing, though. It would make the card more difficult to play yes, but more interesting. Also if you did not have the energy in your hand for Voltage Shoot at the end of the turn you would not have wasted dropping him.

Just opinions and food for thought.