You doubt what will happen?
RIP Durant (after Spring Regionals)
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You doubt what will happen?
Miamisportsfan45
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Durant finishing in 4th place kind of impresses me, but that goes without knowing how many players were entered within the tournament, who and what Durant had played throughout, etc. It still hadn't won and if only finished 4th, it obviously only won top cut in one round. I'm not trying to bash on Durant, I just don't think it's competitive enough for this format and I don't feel Heatmor will change that.
What results? A fourth place finish in a City Championship as there were hundreds of other Cities ongoing at that same point in time? I'm not insulting anyone who loses to Durant by any means. Durant has it's good matchups; which was the slower paced decks that are effective in the long run. Any mill deck can easily hurt a setup. But decks that run quickly and control their own destiny (for example setting up rapidly) aren't going to get hurt by much milling.
If you can show me a Durant report that actually won a Cities or finished top cut in a larger event, then I'll reconsider but until Durant actually begins to give me problems or until I see a report from a larger event, I'm not going to consider it as a metagame deck.
You looked at the example on how to post a CCs info(Kevin Durant should have been the giveaway), Durant actually has 3 1st Place finishes, 4 2nd Place and 13 Top 4 finishes all in masters.
You've just got to start killing the things until you draw your Super Rod.
how good durant is aside
This reminds me of when everyone said cryogonal would be the end of donphan. but now that its out, ive seen no decks with it. Its just not worth it to run it
now heatmor is a little more splashable, but that doesnt really matter. why? cause by the time we get it we will have a bunch of EX cards to 1hko the little ant with.
This reminds me of when everyone said cryogonal would be the end of donphan. but now that its out, ive seen no decks with it. Its just not worth it to run it
now heatmor is a little more splashable, but that doesnt really matter. why? cause by the time we get it we will have a bunch of EX cards to 1hko the little ant with.
psychup2034
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Miamisportsfan45 said:
Nope. 3 1st places, 4 2nd places, and 13 3rd/4th places. That's a total of 20 top 4 appearances to date.
For some perspective, Truth has only 17 top 4 appearances to date.
Miamisportsfan45, by answering your question seriously, I'm assuming you're not a troll, which is just silly on my part. Either way, you should learn how to read posts carefully before commenting on them and sounding extremely ignorant. :nonono:
Are you serious? Did you even look at the link I provided in that post? The one that says 3 Master division wins, 4 second places and 13 3/4 places? What on earth did your internet send you to?
JandPDS
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Make that 14 3/4 place as I went T4 yesterday, I won my T8 2-0 (Vs the #2 seed and a player who beat me in swiss) and I took the T4 match to a sudden death game 3 (after barely loosing game 1) but I had a one durrant/ twins start, Not a good matchup in sudden death, Still I was very happy with the decks performance thoughout the day and the entore CC season. Only has one bad tourney out of the 7 CC I have played in, And that one I rant into 3 fire deck in a row. Dont knock Durant it is a very good deck.
dreamdemon
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I think you are way off on the idea that people will put in the heatmor just because of durant. Most decks out there already have ways around durant and don't want to waste the deck space for one card that counters one deck. In any case, when the Pokemon center stadium card comes out, durant will be more playable than ever. The deck that will die off when that happens is one with kyerum in it. Lol
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TonySandlin
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No one plays it because they are mad that it works and feel like they are above the deck lol. Kinda like Shuppet Donk.
JandPDS
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This is way way better then Suppet donk. Shuppet either donked or it lost. Durant is versitle it can win games so many different ways. It allways keeps your opponent guessing. That is the true strengh of durant. You control the gamestate most of the time and you force your opponent to react to you. Some games I have given up 4 prizes yet never felt any fear that I would loose the game.
TonySandlin
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If played with a good build, Shuppet donk can work almost every time. But my point was really that no one wants to admit that a deck that they either expect to be bad or that they hate because of its style, can actually be pretty good. I will be playing Durant.... mainly because I have no cards for other decks.
Miamisportsfan45
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My mistake. Thought it was a single cities report. But all in all, I still don't believe Durant is actually a compatible threat. I've lost my fair share of matches for it I will admit, but I've never played, or have yet to even see for the most part, a Durant in the Masters Division with a winning record at all in any of my local events I've been attending. Also, I usually don't lose to Durant due to knowing how easily to play it and when to expect it. Then again, maybe it's the competitiveness of the players I play when they use Durant and the lists they've used. But again, I'm not here to argue anyone on anything, I'm here to simply state my opinion. Which remains: Heatmor is a waste of deck space to counter something like Durant.
Although, on an exceptional standpoint... The only time I could see Heatmor as being useful, is if you need a full setup to actually keep consistency running in your deck. In which case running Heatmor as a Durant counter makes sense, because instead of loading your entire bench up with your setup only to be Catcher'd or slowed down, you could run Heatmor and use only the Heatmor throughout (with some free retreat Pokemon on the bench) or whatever your case may be.
That said, I can easily see Heatmor being a counter for Durant (obvious enough) but I don't see it as being consistent enough or as much of a need for said reasons. Just my simple input. As someone stated recently before me, most decks already have the mindset and playability within the deck itself to know how to find ways around Durant at this point.
Again, I read the list wrong.
My mistake. I realize that I have read the list wrong.
DoomScizor
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All hate aside, I'll just have to tech that little anteater into every deck i ever make so If I ever play grafton roll again, I'll have the upper hand
Jason
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You do realise that when you tech in that, Grafton might consider changing decks to something else.
Otaku
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I think we have a variant of "the chicken and the egg" here: if everyone runs that Heatmor to counter Durant, Durant decks die out... but then Heatmor becomes a waste and people would stop running it, and thus Durant decks could make a comeback. If they make a comeback, Heatmor usage makes a comeback, and Durant usage declines. If Durant usage declines, Heatmor usage will likely die out...
...and all this assumes Durant decks can't counter Heatmor by then with any reasonable plays. I mean if everyone runs three or four of that Heatmor, then yeah, but now we have a different dilemma: if Durant decks are as good as some people on this thread say they are, shouldn't it take an opponent running two or more Heatmor to truly counter Durant decks? Conversely, if they are not as good as some proponents are making out, why would a deck need Heatmor for a counter?
I realize there is almost certainly a third option I am missing, and would appreciate the more experienced players pointing it out.
...and all this assumes Durant decks can't counter Heatmor by then with any reasonable plays. I mean if everyone runs three or four of that Heatmor, then yeah, but now we have a different dilemma: if Durant decks are as good as some people on this thread say they are, shouldn't it take an opponent running two or more Heatmor to truly counter Durant decks? Conversely, if they are not as good as some proponents are making out, why would a deck need Heatmor for a counter?
I realize there is almost certainly a third option I am missing, and would appreciate the more experienced players pointing it out.
^The situation you described is a lot like the Tyrogue and Cleffa thing now.
At first nobody ran Tyrogue, then everybody sees what happened in Canadian Nationals, and then everybody runs it. People get donked all the time, so they cut down on Cleffa, or remove it completely. Nobody donks with Tyrogue, so all of them are out of decks by the time worlds rolls around. Then, 30HP basics become a safe play, and furthermore a great play in Ross's deck, Eelzone, Gothitelle, etc, because people were too lazy to put Tyrogue back in their decks or something like that. It's possible the same will happen with Heatmor, where it sees some play at first, and Durant dies off a little. Then when Heatmor dies off again, Durant makes a permanent comeback and Heatmor doesn't. We'll see what happens when that time comes.
At first nobody ran Tyrogue, then everybody sees what happened in Canadian Nationals, and then everybody runs it. People get donked all the time, so they cut down on Cleffa, or remove it completely. Nobody donks with Tyrogue, so all of them are out of decks by the time worlds rolls around. Then, 30HP basics become a safe play, and furthermore a great play in Ross's deck, Eelzone, Gothitelle, etc, because people were too lazy to put Tyrogue back in their decks or something like that. It's possible the same will happen with Heatmor, where it sees some play at first, and Durant dies off a little. Then when Heatmor dies off again, Durant makes a permanent comeback and Heatmor doesn't. We'll see what happens when that time comes.
DoomScizor
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He better not, I want revenge.