RIP Durant (after Spring Regionals)
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Shishio
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I think its more of a one-sided thing. EVen though ironically in the VG Durant annihilates heatmor.
I guess Ness is a scrub player and he got lucky winning the 1st FL marathon CC. BTW, Durant won the 1st 2 days in FL in MAs.
Still think Durant is a bad play in MAs?
Keith
Miamisportsfan45
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I'm aware. I live and compete in the Florida area and go to league with over half of the people that made top cuts throughout the marathons. No disrespect to Jason at all, but I don't think it was Durant that won as much as it was the player. He's the kind of player that can build a deck from "you name the card" and still manage to make top cut. :lol:
Correct and noted.
It would be interesting to see a Durant card made to counter the Heatmor honestly. It'd give a Durant deck more versatility and an ironic twist. It could either hurt or help, but then as Otaku said, I think it'd fluctuate the use of each particular Durant with only a 4 Durant maximum. What I mean by this, is that as Durant dies off and comes back, when Heatmor comes back the counter will come back as well and it'd give an even thicker currency of when it shows, how it shows and etc.
Roarkiller
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Durant isn't winning as much is probably because few people are playing it, or playing the right build. Magneel and ZPST are hogging the top probably because it's what is played most.
For the record, I'm 4-1 against ZPST at my cities, that one loss was razor thin too, and came out 2nd. Beat the donk, you beat the deck. But anyway...
Even if durant somehow manages to make it big enough, heatmor won't be a threat due to one big reason: IT'S A TECH. And as far as techs go, you will only risk one copy in your deck, and the chances of starting with it are slim indeed. Turbo durants, or most durants in fact, run 4 catchers, so unless that one starter of yours has free retreat, you can bet that heatmor is going to be sitting on the bench for quite a bit unless you run seeker, but then it becomes a two-card tech, no?
Skyarrow bridge is probably the biggest asset for anyone running heatmor, since the catcher trap no longer works. However, just like how seeker can help you get rid of your lone benchwarmer, durant decks can also run seeker to pull out that lone bench and rid you of your heatmor before dropping a spiritomb to shuffle it back into your deck. In fact, this tactic is already one of the more common disruption tactics in durant builds, along with rainbow for rotom and black belt. Not to mention they can also run counter stadiums. Or worse, Rocky Helmet.
Back on the problem of durant, if your area plays a lot of setup decks, than durant is one of the best decks you can bring out. Tyram meta, best to shelve it, I haven't found a good enough counter for it yet. ZPST, only if you don't fear donks, and I sure don't.
For the record, I'm 4-1 against ZPST at my cities, that one loss was razor thin too, and came out 2nd. Beat the donk, you beat the deck. But anyway...
Even if durant somehow manages to make it big enough, heatmor won't be a threat due to one big reason: IT'S A TECH. And as far as techs go, you will only risk one copy in your deck, and the chances of starting with it are slim indeed. Turbo durants, or most durants in fact, run 4 catchers, so unless that one starter of yours has free retreat, you can bet that heatmor is going to be sitting on the bench for quite a bit unless you run seeker, but then it becomes a two-card tech, no?
Skyarrow bridge is probably the biggest asset for anyone running heatmor, since the catcher trap no longer works. However, just like how seeker can help you get rid of your lone benchwarmer, durant decks can also run seeker to pull out that lone bench and rid you of your heatmor before dropping a spiritomb to shuffle it back into your deck. In fact, this tactic is already one of the more common disruption tactics in durant builds, along with rainbow for rotom and black belt. Not to mention they can also run counter stadiums. Or worse, Rocky Helmet.
Back on the problem of durant, if your area plays a lot of setup decks, than durant is one of the best decks you can bring out. Tyram meta, best to shelve it, I haven't found a good enough counter for it yet. ZPST, only if you don't fear donks, and I sure don't.
ogremarauder
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wouldn't v-create victini be a better counter? It is more useful in multiple matchups than the heatmor.
JandPDS
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One of the best players in our area tried the V-Create as a Durant counter in his Gothitelle deck. It did not save him. The first one went down to a Cobalion. He revived it and got it powered up a few turns latter and took out the Cobalion, then it went down to a Black Belted Durant. By the time he was able to set it up a 3rd time it was too late and he was decked out. The problem with V-Create is that it takes 2 energy and that makes it too slow to be effective against durant.
Post Next Destinies Emboar variants will begin to see play a lot more. Even just that could be the end of Durant, as Emboar destroys Durant every turn and Crushing Hammer does nothing to it. On top of that, Black Belt and Cobalion wouldn't even make a dent in the strategy if your playing someone smart that sets up their main attacker or another Emboar as well.
Shabby Krabby
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This post mad me lol so hard.
Durant isn't my kind of deck, he's so popular though because the cards needed to make the deck are cheap and if you cannot get out at least one attacker to KO ants b4 they discard something good your in for a boring game, not to mention Cobalion to clean up the only attacker you managed to setup.
To everyone who says Durant is broken and unfair, stop complaining the deck is just disruptive and annoying @ best.
To everyone who makes a big deal about Teching in 1-2 Heatmor enjoy having your deck devoured.
Durant isn't my kind of deck, he's so popular though because the cards needed to make the deck are cheap and if you cannot get out at least one attacker to KO ants b4 they discard something good your in for a boring game, not to mention Cobalion to clean up the only attacker you managed to setup.
To everyone who says Durant is broken and unfair, stop complaining the deck is just disruptive and annoying @ best.
To everyone who makes a big deal about Teching in 1-2 Heatmor enjoy having your deck devoured.
SidewaysDaze
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Durant won a city championship in Washington 2 days ago. And i have a feeling it wasn't the only one in the masters division to win
It's won 5 and come second 6 times to be exact, but we've already established he was wrong.
Any deck that can ko a Durant a turn no matter what the Durant does beats Durant. Thats why people tech in Victini in Trainer Lock decks if they have trouble with Durant, and it's why ReshiPhlosion and ZekEel can consistently beat Durant.
JandPDS
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ONe of my opponents tired Victini today. After he Ko's me I atached a 2nd energy to a durant and KO'd him with Balack belt. He only took one more prize that game befire I decked him out.
I also decked out a Donhaan deck in like 6 turns today that was my fastest yet. (he played a some draw supporters that helped).
I missed out on top cut becuase in R5 my opponent drew his final card from his deck on the turn he took his 6th prize. I had catchered up and unpowered Kyurem, but he had the junk arm and switch in his discard pile. If I had paid more attention to my hand the turn before when I played twins I would have won that game. My misplay, not the deck caused me to loose that game. But I still went 3-2 so I was happy.
Only 2 more weeks to go of CC's good luck to everyone.
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You try setting up an Emboar while going against Durant, then, try retreating Emboar every turn of the game when your opponent catchers it up. ALSO bear in mind, that Durant has most likely milled half of your recovery cards like fisherman at this point, if not more. The only trainer lock deck I'm aware of that techs in Victini is vVv, which if I recall is more for cobalion than anything. Reshiphlosion and ZekEel can't consistently beat Durant, I'm not sure anything can consistently beat it. You're better off with ZPST vs Durant than ZekEel, trust me from personal experience. As for reshiphlosion, I'm not sure why people have so much trouble with it, I hardly lose to it, maybe it's just my build.
PS it's not whatever can KO a Durant a turn, it's what ever can KO a durant a turn from pretty much T1 or T2.
Miamisportsfan45
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Have you considered Emboar being set up lonesome? It fairs pretty well against a Durant dealing 160-60 (assuming you have 4 SP. Metal and an Eviolite on Durant it still ko's)
Though, Emboar is doubtful to even get set up properly as it is. Especially if you're playing Durant by surprise.
Electric Spider
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A lone Emboar is subject to getting attack locked by a Cobalion.
Replied to you in bold.
More Durants have won than emboar variants, so I'm assuming that they have beaten emboars along the way.