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For the past 3 nationals, when me and my friend make top cut and our sleeves get checked, we have to re-sleeve them.
I looked through them afterwards and they had no markings or any problems with them, they pretty much tried to get us to forfeit or buy their sleeves, or play sleeveless with a Luxchomp deck.
In the same top cut in the next round, my friend had to do the exact same thing with the sleeves he had JUST bought to satisfy them, again we checked after and they had NO markings on them. It just got annoying, they really need to sort out the rulings, not just for this topic, but in general with sleeving.
 
Rambo said:
For the past 3 nationals, when me and my friend make top cut and our sleeves get checked, we have to re-sleeve them.
I looked through them afterwards and they had no markings or any problems with them, they pretty much tried to get us to forfeit or buy their sleeves, or play sleeveless with a Luxchomp deck.
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I had to re-sleeve before top cut last year and change some sleeves before the final. I guarantee that they did not ask you to re-sleeve for any of those reasons.

No way would they try to get a forfeit. Don't start a conspiracy theory with no evidence.

The HJ wasn't selling anything. In fact none of the Judges doing top cuts were, so how could you be forced to buy 'their' sleeves?

Why would they want to ruin your deck? It makes no sense.

Fact is that most of the time in the UK the sleeve standards aren't even applied properly and people get away with the same godawful crap sleeves tournament after tournament. At Nats they do things strictly and people get upset because they aren't used to it.

Moral of the story: be prepared to go through a LOT of sleeves at Nats because of much higher standards being applied. Use new sleeves and bring a couple of spare sets. ALL sleeves get marked during a tourney. No sleeves are perfectly unmarked after a few rounds. Although changing them is a pain, I would MUCH rather they were super strict on this than if they let things slide, which could lead to accusations of cheating and sour grapes.
 
...and just to be clear I'm not super-strict on sleeves.... but that does not mean that just because you started with pristine sleeves they will be acceptable for a whole day or even one round if you are brutal with them. I know that there are super-strict judges out there and that worlds standards can be very high so when I do a sleeve check I will explain why the sleeves failed or when they are close to needing replacement.

The marking standard I go for is that cards should be uniform and no card should be readily identifiable. It is as much more about protecting players from opponent's accusations as trying to catch cheats. Of course we will try and catch cheats too.
 
TeamRocket4Life said:
Nick, another issue they were having was sleeves with Full-Art (to the edges) is not printed consistently in the same place on the sleeve. By placing key cards in sleeves where the edge-art colors lined up differently from the majority of the deck, one could effectively "mark" them in an easy to notice way.

Having art not go to the edges counters this.[/URL]
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I think I get it... like, due to manufacture errors, one of the sleeves may be printed a little higher than the other, marking it. Kinda like: http://www.fakecard.com/images/marked.jpg ... When you have a deck of sleeves lined up, the "bad sleeve" would be very noticeable, right?
 
Rambo said:
For the past 3 nationals, when me and my friend make top cut and our sleeves get checked, we have to re-sleeve them.
I looked through them afterwards and they had no markings or any problems with them, they pretty much tried to get us to forfeit or buy their sleeves, or play sleeveless with a Luxchomp deck.
In the same top cut in the next round, my friend had to do the exact same thing with the sleeves he had JUST bought to satisfy them, again we checked after and they had NO markings on them. It just got annoying, they really need to sort out the rulings, not just for this topic, but in general with sleeving.
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I've worked with NoPoke personally at multiple World Championships.
If he said your sleeves were marked, they were marked.

Just because you can't see it or don't know what to look for, doesn't mean that they aren't.
If anything, it just meant that you weren't marking them on purpose.
But marked sleeves don't require that the player have done it on purpose.
 
I guess when I go to bigger tournament I always expect to resleeve, expecially Nats or Worlds, better to just be prepared.


Seems like everybody keeps trying to push the envelope here. When it comes to sleeves in large tournaments, why risk it? When in doubt pull out.
 
Jaeger said:
I guess when I go to bigger tournament I always expect to resleeve, expecially Nats or Worlds, better to just be prepared.


Seems like everybody keeps trying to push the envelope here. When it comes to sleeves in large tournaments, why risk it? When in doubt pull out.
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I did not pay $45 for the world's most epic sleeves ever just so that I can be told to re-sleeve and spend even more money on some god-awful boring sleeves at nationals, no. :nonono:
 
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^ Why I will never buy $45 sleeves unless they are made of kevlar or something.
 
Question: when asked to re-sleeve, don't you have to just replace the few sleeves they deemed marked? I thought that's why you'd keep extras.
 
Trouble is that the older sleeves might have wear and tear . . . which could make the new ones 'marked'.

Depends on the condition of the old sleeves I guess.
 
Rambo said:
For the past 3 nationals, when me and my friend make top cut and our sleeves get checked, we have to re-sleeve them.
I looked through them afterwards and they had no markings or any problems with them, they pretty much tried to get us to forfeit or buy their sleeves, or play sleeveless with a Luxchomp deck.
In the same top cut in the next round, my friend had to do the exact same thing with the sleeves he had JUST bought to satisfy them, again we checked after and they had NO markings on them. It just got annoying, they really need to sort out the rulings, not just for this topic, but in general with sleeving.
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I doubt they tried to get you guys to forfeit, when I was judging Masters this past Regionals we had to make several people swap their sleeves out in top cut bc some of the sleeves were either split on the corners or scratched in some specific way on the back. What the judges should have done for you was show you why the sleeves weren't good to use or you should have asked them right there.
 
losjackal said:
Question: when asked to re-sleeve, don't you have to just replace the few sleeves they deemed marked? I thought that's why you'd keep extras.
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Often the problem is when a few are marked, they've been heavily used is the reason why they're marked. Meaning when you put on new sleeves, often those new sleeves will stick out even more due to them not being used like the other ones
 
Pro Tip: If any of your cards are creased, that crease will mark your sleeves over swiss rounds due to wear and rubbing while shuffling and so forth.
Especially in a big event that has a large number of rounds.

If that creased card is a key card, you may find yourself facing a game loss or worse due to marked cards-pattern, since a heavily marked, key card can have a major impact.

Expect the creased card to cause that wear and switch out your sleeve on it every few rounds.

Believe me, judges don't like handing out penalties, but we will when appropriate.
 
baby mario said:
^ Why I will never buy $45 sleeves unless they are made of kevlar or something.
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I miscalculated, it is more like $25. I had to convert from norwegian kroner to USD, and somehow managed to add $20.

Not that I would not buy them anyways. They might not be made of kevlar, but they are certainly made of epic win.
 
At a states tournament I went to, one guy in the top cut (supposedly) had 4 cyruses and 3 Pokemon Collector with an indent in the middle of them. He got a game loss and was told to resleeve. Then, in the state tournament in the following week, all the judges were more strict on what sleeves would pass or not.

It was in the best interest for the spirit of the game and the players in general for people to resleeve.
 
thunderjolt said:
At a states tournament I went to, one guy in the top cut (supposedly) had 4 cyruses and 3 Pokemon Collector with an indent in the middle of them. He got a game loss and was told to resleeve. Then, in the state tournament in the following week, all the judges were more strict on what sleeves would pass or not.

It was in the best interest for the spirit of the game and the players in general for people to resleeve.
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Thats funny because I went to states tournament and was 4-1 on the bubble in the last round and my opponenet had 2 different colors of sleeves. A dark black and lighter black that you could only tell by looking at them, I caught them because they hit the light for a second. I called a judge over and after repeating the phrase "I don't want to give a game loss" issued a prize pently instead and let my opponenet keep drawing off his PONT. He proceeded to go Rare Candy, Tyranitar Prime, Expert Belt, DCE. ...I Some how still won that.

I think its a fine line between warning and game loss.
 
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