SteelixDude's paying back what he owes!!! Be patient.
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P_A, no update from my end. I've given Ben and his parents until the end of the month to either give back my cards or send what he owes me. If it doesn't happen, I will take further actions. I'm sorry, but I doubt that it's a coincidence so many traders are having issues with Ben.
pokemonmike
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fchangus2 said:
Well I got my package today and what a load of crap I found! No x3 Mew ex LM amd short 1 Blastosie ex!!! Instead I got a bunch of crap ex's in their place which equal around $40 instead of $175 worth of ex's!!! I do believe a phone call is in order again as I am not giving him what I sent him for this:
Clefable ex
zapdos ex
pop1 tyranitar and armaldo ex
HL groudon ex
and tyhose replaced :
x1 Blastoise ex
x3 Mew ex LM
Something wrong with this picture!!!!
I am now very ****** and will not tolerate it! He will either cuff up $175 US to buy the cards or send me the proper cards! In the letter he states he is done well I guarantee he is done here!
Well what the hell is he doing trading cards he doesn't even have!!! I am sorry Garret but this is not acceptable and will either get my stuff or my money or what I sent him back for the aggravation!!! Or I will be pressing charges on him.
Vegeta ss4
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What is Ben's Phone number? And also if he is taking everyones cards here than cant the People of Pokegym kick him out and ban him from Pokemon for a while.
P_A
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Sorry to hear that Mike. Obviously that was sent long before I got involved with this trade. I have had no knowledge of any of that. From what I can see, he's traded a bit awkwardly - possibly double trading in some cases, trading for cards to fill an order for another trade, and possibly before they even got to him, he may have traded them to someone else. He hasn't kept track of all of his trades (some he didn't tell me about, I'm not sure if it was because he forgot about them, or because he did them, but didn't like how they turned out - I can't be sure). He also traded away some cards that he didn't actually have in his hands - like in the case of Kirstin. He's also sent cards with insufficient postage, and when they came back to him, he just added a few more stamps and popped them back in the mail. If it was me, first of all, I would have sent the proper cards, never have sent anything without the proper postage, and I would have sent them in well packaged envelopes (like bubble mailers), and if there was a problem, I would have sent them expresspost, possibly with extra surprise cards to shorten the time spent in transit, and to compensate my traders for their troubles. Yes, I definitely agree that Ben has made his fair share of mistakes in trading, including procrastination. However, I'm hoping this has taught him a lesson or two. I know it has me. In the meantime, I'll try my best to make sure that those who can prove that he owes them something, gets at least something, if not the actual cards they are owed. I will get to the bottom of this.
Edit: It looks like I phoned his dad about 10 minutes after you did, Mike. Remember, I said I'd guarantee your cards due to our past trade partnership? It's good that his dad now knows a bit more about the situation, from both your call and mine. You may be angry, but at least you have my guarantee. Lots of people don't. I currently have at least 2 mew ex and a Blastoise ex. Plus as you know, I have a few Staff Nationals. Do you want them? I'm trying to do my best to make things right, for everyone's sake. Please do me the honor of at least trusting me. I'm pretty sure you can if you think about it. If you have any more problems, please come to me.
Edit: It looks like I phoned his dad about 10 minutes after you did, Mike. Remember, I said I'd guarantee your cards due to our past trade partnership? It's good that his dad now knows a bit more about the situation, from both your call and mine. You may be angry, but at least you have my guarantee. Lots of people don't. I currently have at least 2 mew ex and a Blastoise ex. Plus as you know, I have a few Staff Nationals. Do you want them? I'm trying to do my best to make things right, for everyone's sake. Please do me the honor of at least trusting me. I'm pretty sure you can if you think about it. If you have any more problems, please come to me.
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sceptilerancher
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read post 47...
PA is trying to help...
PA is trying to help...
Ninetails08
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mike: i also garuntee that those cards he gave you were someones who sent them to ben, and then he just sent them to you
pokemonmike
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P_A said:
Well I talked to his dad and he said he would try straighten it out with Ben , I asked him to send my cards back to me as those replacement ex's are worth approx. $35 all total and the ex's I was suppose to get are $175 (x3 Mew ex LM - $150 , x1 Blastoise ex - $25) which is a total of $140 difference which is not a small amount if you see it from my point. I would greatly appreciate atleast the 1st/ed base set (german ) back and that should compensate the loss and aggravation which he has brought.
Normally i am very co-operative but this is not right in any way. He owes and will have to take a loss on his end for his screw ups IMO.
Ninetails08 said:
Probably exactly what has happened.
Mike
luigamaster
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Is it possible to just ask ben himself about my trade and tell him I'm superswampert if this is possible.P_A said:
pokemonmike
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Here is something else I wanted to bring up as he lied to me right from the start before the deal was even made:
this is before he even sent! So how truthful was he being as he lied to me right from the start as he never even had the mew ex LM's! I am sorry i am venting right now as i had plans on a deck with these cards and now that is shot! I guess IMO he needed cards so he decided to trade for cards hewanted and had no intentions of sending the cards he owed as i have proved here. Hopefully his parents return my call tomorrow with good news or I will ahve no choice but to press fraud on him.:nonono:
this is before he even sent! So how truthful was he being as he lied to me right from the start as he never even had the mew ex LM's!
I am sorry i am venting right now as i had plans on a deck with these cards and now that is shot! I guess IMO he needed cards so he decided to trade for cards hewanted and had no intentions of sending the cards he owed as i have proved here. Hopefully his parents return my call tomorrow with good news or I will ahve no choice but to press fraud on him.:nonono:MewIsCute90
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is there a reason that if ben really doesnt have the cards he promised, why he cant just send everyones cards back?
i realize many people were expecting the promised cards, but wouldnt this be the most logical solution? or has this allready been tried, and he refuses, or no longer has the cards??
ps: i had a sucessful trade with him, because i made him send first how did he convince you to send 1st mike??
i really hope this all works out in the end
i feel bad for both parties involved
i realize many people were expecting the promised cards, but wouldnt this be the most logical solution? or has this allready been tried, and he refuses, or no longer has the cards??
ps: i had a sucessful trade with him, because i made him send first how did he convince you to send 1st mike??
i really hope this all works out in the end
i feel bad for both parties involved
ShawofMordor
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Thunderbolt said:
I gotta say you're just picking the wrong ones.
pokemonmike, P_A, pokekid, pokemonpat, papazit_canada are ALL great traders, I've done probably two dozen trades with them.
P_A - I have nothing to do with this guy but I just wanna say its great that you're putting in your time to try and sort it out.
pokemonmike
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MewIsCute90 said:
Well I figured he is Canadian and he did offer to meet in person for the trade at Nat's but I never went, As well he goes to P_A's league so I figured I had back up there and was right as P_A is helping out to try strighten this out but I don't think Ben is being as Honest as he is making himself out to be as he did lie to me that he had x2 of the mew ex LM's and promised that he would have the third on the following Saturday and would send that day. He did infact send but neglected to say he never did have a single Mew EX LM and you can see he made numerous trades which included Mew ex's from him.... If my kid did that he would face some serious concequences as stealing and lying is very very bad and IMO this is what happened.:redface: Hopefully his parents will do the right thing and make him pay for his wrong doings.
P_A
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, sceptilerancher. And thank you too, Ninetails08, though I kinda doubt how much help your vote of confidence will be. Luigamaster/Superswampert, I'm sure both Ben and his Dad will be reading this thread tomorrow. If you have anything to say that will help your case, sure, by all means, POST IT! I can't prove, or disprove you ever had a trade going with him from all the evidence that I have been given by you and him. POKEMONMIKE: you quoted my words in post 65, but you didn't see my edit to that one. Please take a second look. Mewiscute, yes, there's always that option, but if you were really looking forward to getting some cards you went into a trade for, and were willing to give up some of your extras to get them, why would you want your extras back? There would have to be a compelling reason why you'd accept those cards back - either compassion, or because you were offered extra in return. Let me hazard a guess: how many of you would be willing to take back your original cards if I was involved in a failed trade? Now, how many do you think would be willing to extend that same willingness to Ben? Prove me wrong - I doubt there'd be very many. I'm sorry if I'm pointing to the obvious, but even pokemonmike, who is my best trader, and friend, and as far as I've seen so far has been the best I've seen when it comes to problems with trades, if Mike wants to skin him alive, how much hope do you think I should hold out to Ben and his parents right now that just giving back some cards will do the trick? People, please think about this logically. Here I'm trying to help out, trying to keep everything on a calm level, I'm certainly hoping that people listen. Ben's parents are willing to do what they can to help, and to fix the situation. Ben has shown some remorse to me, and realizes he's screwed up. Here's the part you need to hear: how badly, how much do you think they want to fix this situation? I have a question for you: if you were moving in a month or so, and you could change your identity and still go where you were before, (where you had a problem) with a somewhat clean slate, don't you think you might be tempted to do so? No more hypothetical questions - just some real ones: now, tell me something. Do you want to drive them to the point of not caring whether you get anything back, or would you rather work with me and some of you who have proved to me an involvement in a trade get something back? Believe me, right now it's your choice.
Vegeta ss4
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P_A you are doing a great job, i must say that with my trade ot would suck to just get my cards back considering that i have 12 of them right now, but if thats the only way this can be resovled then that is fine but i will say that his days of online trading will be over on Pokegym unless some miracle happens where he actually gives us the cards we wanted, On that note peace out and keep up the good work P_A.
Thunderbolt
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P_A- Did you get the info you needed on our trade?
P_A: sometimes it's difficult not to take things personally as people are venting, I can assure you that none of it is directed at you since you had voluntarily entangled yourself into this mess to try and help us out. The bottom line is this, I don't believe for a second that this mess was a result of a teenager who lost track of his trades or overcommitted. This is someone who made trades knowingly that he plans to defraud people. My potential loss wasn't big since my trade was not as big as some of the other traders; moreover, since I am an adult, I could afford the loss. I do feel sorry for those kids out there who may have saved up their allowances to buy the cards they own and have limited resources to be ripped off...
Moreover, I would think that given the choice of getting nothing or getting their original cards back, most, if not all would be satisfied just to get their cards back at this point. I had already made this offer to Ben through every single correspondence I've had with him.
How much incentive do they have to clean this mess up before they pack up and leave town and disappear into the sunset? I guess it will all depend on what type of person his parents would want him to turn out once he enters the society on his own.
Moreover, I would think that given the choice of getting nothing or getting their original cards back, most, if not all would be satisfied just to get their cards back at this point. I had already made this offer to Ben through every single correspondence I've had with him.
How much incentive do they have to clean this mess up before they pack up and leave town and disappear into the sunset? I guess it will all depend on what type of person his parents would want him to turn out once he enters the society on his own.
From an outsider looking in from a neutral position....If a trade was agreed upon and sent by one party, the other party not having the cards to send back, I would at least want my cards back. Yes, it would be nice to get the cards actually traded for, but if he doesn't have them, why should P_A send cards from his collection (2 Mexs and 1 Blasty) to Mike when it wasnt his failed trade?? I understand Mike being angry, but send the cards back, make a extra concession of some cards to compensate for the loss of time, postage, etc, and get your own cards back. Then, dont ever trade with this young man again.
JMHO
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pokemonmike
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P_A said:
Garret I greatly appreciate your courtesy and I really don't want the cards from you but infact I would rather just deal with what Ben can come up with to make this right as the cards you are offering is way way beyond just helping ok.
Currently I have talked to Ben's Father and he told me today that you will be making a list of what is owed and we can go from there ok. If anything i would want my 1st/ed base set back from him if he can not come up with the 3 mew ex's and 1 stoise . I trust everything will work out in the end as we all just have to be patient and I know it is hard as I did vent the other day after receiving my package and seeing the contents , anger will not get me my cards....I will be patient and see what we can come up with as I truthfully hope Ben has learned a lesson from this and will trade more responsibly.
Thanks,Mike
Lawman said:
I wouldn't take P_A'a cards as replacement anyways as it wouldn't be fair to anyone especially Garret, I beleive with P-A's help Ben will hopefully make things right and everything will be fine in the end.
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P_A
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I've got my first package to send out. Unfortunately it's for someone on Pokebeach forums, but I'm working with Ben and his family to make things right. I just thought I'd better let everyone know that there has been some progress. Right now, I'm probably the hold up for the most part. Unfortunately that's what happens when you go though a go-between. At least things are progressing, so I'd appreciate it if everyone just continues on with having patience with me, as I try to work some more deals out. If you'd like to make this quicker, I'd appreciate a summary of what the deal was, what you sent, and what you received (as in the case of Mike - thanks by the way). It would be helpful if you include your real name, and address as well. You can private message me this, as it will make things quicker. I'll confirm this info as best as I can from earlier evidence and discussing it with Ben, and I'll do my best to see you get what is owed, or your cards back. If I don't get a summary from you, that's ok, I'll still work things out as best I can. Thanks everyone.
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