the raichu d bandwagon

[Moss Factor]

You can't just say someone posted some horific untested inconsistent and bad version of a great deck first and therefore they get any credit. When someone sees a pile of slop and gets an idea off of it, playtests it, knows the deck, then has the GUTS to play it at a tournament that counts AND does well with it, they deserve the sole credit.

Its so easy just to come on the gym and post some horrible deck. Its not that easy to take an idea, make a great deck out of it, have the stones (atm ROCKS) to play it, and then win. All, and I mean 100%, of the credit goes to those who do the later.

 

[NoPoke]

Its so easy just to come on the gym and post some horrible deck. Its not that easy to take an idea, make a great deck out of it, have the stones (atm ROCKS) to play it, and then win. All, and I mean 100%, of the credit goes to those who do the later.

Yep.

There maybe 60 cards in a deck but its usually only a small handfull that are the difference between success and failure.

Case in point:- last year before worlds I was trying to figure out how to make spinning tail work PROPERLY. I didn't like Rock Lock much; Spinning Tail looked like the key to a big deck. BUT. I wasn't able to come up with a viable list. So can I take any credit when Spinning Tail does well at worlds? Nope.

 

[yoshi1001]

You can't just say someone posted some horific untested inconsistent and bad version of a great deck first and therefore they get any credit. When someone sees a pile of slop and gets an idea off of it, playtests it, knows the deck, then has the GUTS to play it at a tournament that counts AND does well with it, they deserve the sole credit.

Some patent attorneys would disagree, moss. :wink:

Truthfully, I've never seen the point of claiming decks. Game mechanics get recycled so much that even "new" decks borrow from old decks (take a look at Polistall).

 

[JokerBoi]

Before It was played at Nats I had 6 Raichu d 4 of which were being played and that was a week after Holon Phantoms came out. I loved Raichu before It was big but now I might trade the other two and keep my 4 for my deck.

 

[Tego]

Truthfully, I've never seen the point of claiming decks. Game mechanics get recycled so much that even "new" decks borrow from old decks (take a look at Polistall).

Still, if you suddenly see someone playing two cards that work tremedously well together, you always wonder which genius first came up with the idea of comibining them in that way. I do, anyway.

 

[Rainbowgym]

Me too Tego me too, I still admire the way some mechanics change this game every few months.
It looks like it's coming from the same sources again, but not sure about that.

Anyways, keep me suprised with new decks and ideas, that's what makes this game so interesting.

 

[b0n3z]

How can a player seriously make a playtest deck for every deck?

LBS
Queen
Reggs
Lunasol
Liability
Mynx
Dragtrode
RockLock
PowCham
Ludi...

I had those decks ...not all trainers, but 97% of the Pokemon and NRGs =D


Well Raichu D seems good right now, but I don't think it's BDIF.

 

[Daddiursa]

It's the same with copyright and recognition in music, someone wrote the stuff and someone made it famous. Both deserve honor, but in the case of Pokemon TCG it's no exact sience naming the one who made it. It could have several origins, after all a deck like Monarchy is so obvious in the way the King/Queen is worded, that several ppl musta started playing that simultaneously. I guess we have to live with a few argumuments over who made what.

 

[P_A]

As for the Raichu/Eggs bandwagon, I feel sorry for those that do jump on it. Up here at the Canadian Nats, as head judge I saw probably about 6 or 7 of the decks. Only one made it into top 16 in the 15+. I'm pretty sure it got eliminated first round of playoffs. I'm not saying it's a bad deck, but there are players with better decks out there. Luck plays a huge part of it as well, along with your matchups. I'm glad it did so well in the US, but it didn't work so well up here.

 

[yoshi1001]

It's the same with copyright and recognition in music, someone wrote the stuff and someone made it famous. Both deserve honor, but in the case of Pokemon TCG it's no exact sience naming the one who made it. It could have several origins, after all a deck like Monarchy is so obvious in the way the King/Queen is worded, that several ppl musta started playing that simultaneously. I guess we have to live with a few argumuments over who made what.

Also, there's no formal process for claiming decks-no office at PCL or PUI.

 

[Adam Garcia]

Well as Moltres 423 once told me, Every deck is an improvement of another deck that everyone knew was good.
Ex.
Powdacham - Improved upon T2 Medicham
Mynx - Improved JynxFett
Queendom - Improved Monarchy
Pow!Block - Improved T2 Ttar.

So eventually this Deck may become original, YOU just have to find a way to make it that...

zre improved zap turn dos

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

I'm pretty sure Whicker gave the title Monarchy in a gym topic, and it stuck. I think multiple people were starting to put King+Queen together at that time though.

 

[Cyrus]

As for the Raichu/Eggs bandwagon, I feel sorry for those that do jump on it. Up here at the Canadian Nats, as head judge I saw probably about 6 or 7 of the decks. Only one made it into top 16 in the 15+. I'm pretty sure it got eliminated first round of playoffs. I'm not saying it's a bad deck, but there are players with better decks out there. Luck plays a huge part of it as well, along with your matchups. I'm glad it did so well in the US, but it didn't work so well up here.

Didn't the player who top cut (Spencer) use Martin's exact list? Martin/Spencer commentary plz?

 

[DragonairMaster8]

pikachu.dec sucks, martin is just the god playa

 

[Pokekid]

Didn't the player who top cut (Spencer) use Martin's exact list? Martin/Spencer commentary plz?

Our nats was all rouges no bodys =/

 

[SLOW DECK]

You can't just say someone posted some horific untested inconsistent and bad version of a great deck first and therefore they get any credit. When someone sees a pile of slop and gets an idea off of it, playtests it, knows the deck, then has the GUTS to play it at a tournament that counts AND does well with it, they deserve the sole credit.

Its so easy just to come on the gym and post some horrible deck. Its not that easy to take an idea, make a great deck out of it, have the stones (atm ROCKS) to play it, and then win. All, and I mean 100%, of the credit goes to those who do the later.

Well Said. I think majority of the deck's posted on the gym aren't even built by the original poster. They just type the post and that is the end of it. To build it, and have confidence in self and your creation to play it in a premier event takes guts. To top cut and even win with it is a big source of pride.

Playing a new red face paint build at every event isn't reasonable obviously if the deck you have been working on stinks and doesn't fit the metagame. Then tried and true or arch types are going to be played.

 

[Umbreon777]

Id love to be honered as the sole creator of a deck. Like the one Im working on now. But the fact of the matter is, NOBODY cares about a deck if it doesnt do well in tournaments. Therefore someone else is free top build a similar list, get first in regionals or whatever. And get all the credit. Like Martin. Not that I dislike him or anything...

 

[Shiloh Phoenix]

Ive got a SD for cities!

 

[Jaeger]

Ross: I knew Scramble was good so BombTar was my idea and you stole it
Adam/Jermy: I had a deck that ran Pidgeot and Grass energys you stole Queedom from me.
Seena: I knew Ex's were good, you stole Cham/Muk from me, I demand credit.
Pooka: Why don't you tell them who told you pickchu was good, My deck won Nationals

I am the creator of the format!!!

 

[Daddiursa]

I don't quite understand why ppl want to see the exact list that won US Nat's. I mean I have been using DragTrode for a very long time (winning multiple CCs with it), and it gives a whole new level of confidence knowing exactly why you use this trainer and that pokemon, and why use use 2 copies of that card and 3 copies of this card.

I suggest ppl do the same if they like the Raichu/Eggs combo, try their own versions again and again and let your deck-list evolve along with your experiences. Grabbing a list you've found won't necesarrily give you the same confidence when playing the deck.

If Martin would have used one or more particular cards that were totally overlooked (maybe like Magma used Underground Expedition which was underrated in the west), but the only examples I have heard of with Martins deck are the Latias/Latios thing, which we all know of by now.

Do your own thing!

Amen.