The Wholly Unofficial *lacking a tacky/cutesy name* Leafeon-Sceptile-Shaymin Thread

[prodigal_fanboy]

I've already got 4x Candy and 3x Lvl. Max to try and hit the T1 Leafy X.

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Some ideas culled from the Beefylution thread:

A smaller Uxie line (just 1 Uxie, not 2-1), PokeHealer +s, Cressy X (ooh), Umby/Espy of course, and Flareon from BET.

I'm not sure re: the Healer+s, if I find the drawers excessive perhaps I'll switch. Again, my concern with Cressy Umby and Espy is an over reliance on bench space.

 

[FREZZA]

why not just play broken time space stadium. it helps with the t1 leafeon x among other things like claydol. this way you could take out some rare candies and add some energy since a leafeon deck needs at least 14 energy.

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

why not just play broken time space stadium. it helps with the t1 leafeon x among other things like claydol. this way you could take out some rare candies and add some energy since a leafeon deck needs at least 14 energy.

I'm fairly confident you can't BTS and then Level Up.

But yes, my low energy count is another problem.

I'm thinking of ditching 1-1 of my Uxie Line for an Azelf and a Grass Energy, thoughts? And one Call for one Warp NRG.

 

[prof unky dan]

I'm fairly confident you can't BTS and then Level Up.

But yes, my low energy count is another problem.

I'm thinking of ditching 1-1 of my Uxie Line for an Azelf and a Grass Energy, thoughts? And one Call for one Warp NRG.

my deck is almost the same, i only use 1-1 shaymin (land) an a umbreon for the free retreat an no weakness 3 broken spaces, an 1 lake bountry this is also running 4 drawer

it seems to work for me, i still need to test it against frezza! see ya friday!

danny

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

my deck is almost the same, i only use 1-1 shaymin (land) an a umbreon for the free retreat an no weakness 3 broken spaces, an 1 lake bountry this is also running 4 drawer

it seems to work for me, i still need to test it against frezza! see ya friday!

danny

Can you repost that in English? I don't understand what your suggestion is saying.

 

[mine is cooler]

Hi there PF!

Deck looks good :thumb:

You said "to many pokemanz" so I suggest maybe taking out 1-1 skymin and 1 candy for +4-3-1 leafeon and +1 azelf.

If memory serves me correctly sky shaymin give an attack +60 after a ko. I like it but it's just not... I dont know lol.
Also running 4 lv.x's can be a pain. If you plan to have all out. Level max could make it easier but it's flippy. So if you throw heads everytime go for it! But if not it may just be easier to nix one of them.

So my suggestion
- 1-1 sky
-1 leafeon x
-1 rare candy

+2-1 leafeon
+1 azelf

Hope this helps lol and gl!

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

I like that logic. Especially with the addition of Sceppy, it's a real pain to get everything in play: Leafeon, Claydol, Sceptile, Shaymin. Skymin would be pushing things.

My brother is currently running:

2-2-2 Leafeon
2-1-2 Sceptile
2-2 Claydol
1-1 Skymin
1-1 Shaymin
2 Unown G
1 Uxie
1 Azelf
23 Pokemon

3 Roseanne's
4 Rare Candy
4 Poke Drawer +
3 Warp Point
3 Bebe's
2 Premier Ball
2 Night Maintenance
1 Dawn Stadium
1 Miasma Valley
1 Luxury Ball
24 Trainers

9 Grass Energy
4 Call Energy
13 Energy

And I can't recall for the life of me what those last two slots are.

We'll try out the 4-3-1 Leafeon line - that does make the BET Flareon more splashable for mirror. However, I'm worried about being put into situations where I'm forced to Azelf for the Lv. X, as opposed to part of a support line, y'see?

And I've decided against Lv. Max - its entire purpose was to gun for the T1 Leafy X, but that's so very hard to do, plus each tails puts a strain on my tutoring capabilities (as I now have to burn a Bebe's hunting for the Lv. X, or a premier ball which may or may not have been dropped for the maxes.)

I like 4x Candy merely to let me have the best chance of T1 Leafy and easier Sceptiling.

Plus, if we only use one Leafeon X per deck then we have... three spare Leafeon Lv. Xs lol.

 

[prof unky dan]

We'll try out the 4-3-1 Leafeon line - that does make the BET Flareon more splashable for mirror. However, I'm worried about being put into situations where I'm forced to Azelf for the Lv. X, as opposed to part of a support line, y'see?

And I've decided against Lv. Max - its entire purpose was to gun for the T1 Leafy X, but that's so very hard to do, plus each tails puts a strain on my tutoring capabilities (as I now have to burn a Bebe's hunting for the Lv. X, or a premier ball which may or may not have been dropped for the maxes.)

I like 4x Candy merely to let me have the best chance of T1 Leafy and easier Sceptiling.

Plus, if we only use one Leafeon X per deck then we have... three spare Leafeon Lv. Xs lol.

i too have been wanting to throw flareon in, but i think it gets to complicated. if ur gonna tech in flareon u might as well just play eevelutions ( come may "EASY-lutions) not to knock on u, but ur running a heck of a lot of X's with out max level? i know the flip stinks but i think its worth the chance, otherwise thats allot of switch/warp points ur gonna have to run in order to level up those shaymins an get them back to the bench, no to KNOCK on u again but i think the land form shaymin is the shaymin for u, im still sticking to this deck an pulling first turn leafeon X ALLOT, no joke ask "prof Em" lol

broken time space, an max level are my new favorites, before them i was using candys, i think i ran 3, an it seemed by the time i got them i didnt need them, i was always claydoling them back..they did help me candy claydol now an then, but i love throwing down the broken space, evo the whole bench then throw out the stadium to replace it with dawn stadium...it seems to work for me, my big test will be friday night

good luck!

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

i too have been wanting to throw flareon in, but i think it gets to complicated. if ur gonna tech in flareon u might as well just play eevelutions ( come may "EASY-lutions)

The Flareon is a specific mirror-match tech and hypothetical until a meta establishes itself via battle roads or something.

not to knock on u, but ur running a heck of a lot of X's with out max level? i know the flip stinks but i think its worth the chance, otherwise thats allot of switch/warp points ur gonna have to run in order to level up those shaymins an get them back to the bench,

I'm running two. Even when I was running four, I didn't need Lv. Max - the Leafeons only came play when active, and I would just attach an energy to Shaymin, Warp it out, Lv. X it, and retreat it back. Easy peasy, especially with fourteen energy and three warps.

Now the list is down to two Lv. Xs, Shaymin and a sole Leafeon, and the only reason I'm considering running Lv. Max is because T1 Leafeon X, while a stretch, is very very solid.

no to KNOCK on u again but i think the land form shaymin is the shaymin for u, im still sticking to this deck an pulling first turn leafeon X ALLOT, no joke ask "prof Em" lol

The Sky form basic is the better of the two, and the land form Lv. X is the better of the two, in my opinion, for the synergy of this deck.

broken time space, an max level are my new favorites, before them i was using candys, i think i ran 3, an it seemed by the time i got them i didnt need them, i was always claydoling them back..they did help me candy claydol now an then, but i love throwing down the broken space, evo the whole bench then throw out the stadium to replace it with dawn stadium...it seems to work for me, my big test will be friday night.

Broken Time Space helps your opponent out far more than you. Think about it. You're running a stage one deck. Plus, unless you're running lots of stadiums, which in and of itself is foolish, you might not be able to easily counter the BT-S before it helps your opponent greatly.

However, on that note, Dawn Stadium also isn't too hot - you don't want to stick too many energies on Leafeon, the main person you'd want healed.

I'm considering:
-2-1-2 Sceptile
-1 Dawn
-1 Premier Ball
-2 (find a spot)

+2 Lv. Max
+4 Poke Healer +
+1-1 Uxie
+1 Miasma Valley

Personally, I believe that beating face with Leafeon quickly and continuously is better than my brother's variant with Sceptile, but he insists on Sceppy so Sceppy it is in his deck until I prove it bad.

Also, Prof. Unky Dan, would you mind posting your list?

 

[prof unky dan]

Also, Prof. Unky Dan, would you mind posting your list?

lol my list? it changes every 5 minutes!! heres what i got going on for this weekend let me see...
Pokemon

4 x Eevee
2 x Leafeon
2 x Leafeon LV.X
1 x Umbreon
2 x Uxie
1 x Uxie LV.X
2 x Baltoy
2 x Claydol
2 x unown g

Trainer/Supporter/Stadium
4 x Roseanne's Research
4 x Bebe's Search
3 x Dusk Ball
3 x max level up
3 x broken time space
1 x Lake Boundary
4 x Poke Drawer +
3 x Warp Point
2 x Night Maintenance
1 x Time-Space Distortion

Energy
4 x Multi Energy - Special
10 x Grass Energy - Basic

thing is i have 4 multi in there, because the g's sometimes come out, or -1 warp point, -1 NM sometimes to throw in my little helpers flareon, crobat G vaporeon

once BET comes out i will be running a strick easy-lution deck built around ur weakness, i always loved the eevees, been playing since the beginning an this seems to be the funnest an easiest format for them

danny

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lol my list? it changes every 5 minutes!! heres what i got going on for this weekend let me see...
Pokemon

4 x Eevee
2 x Leafeon
2 x Leafeon LV.X
1 x Umbreon
2 x Uxie
1 x Uxie LV.X
2 x Baltoy
2 x Claydol
2 x unown g

Trainer/Supporter/Stadium
4 x Roseanne's Research
4 x Bebe's Search
3 x Dusk Ball
3 x max level up
3 x broken time space
1 x Lake Boundary
4 x Poke Drawer +
3 x Warp Point
2 x Night Maintenance
1 x Time-Space Distortion

Energy
4 x Multi Energy - Special
10 x Grass Energy - Basic

thing is i have 4 multi in there, because the g's sometimes come out, or -1 warp point, -1 NM sometimes to throw in my little helpers flareon, crobat G vaporeon

once BET comes out i will be running a strick easy-lution deck built around ur weakness, i always loved the eevees, been playing since the beginning an this seems to be the funnest an easiest format for them

danny

BAAAH i forgot to add the 1-1 shaymin tech HELLO! :lol:

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

Yeah, I'm moving our family build to have Uxie X in it because it's simply so good.

Also, how are Dusk Balls working for you? And I still disagree with B T-S because our deck has a disadvantage by its symmetry.

 

[prof unky dan]

Yeah, I'm moving our family build to have Uxie X in it because it's simply so good.

Also, how are Dusk Balls working for you? And I still disagree with B T-S because our deck has a disadvantage by its symmetry.

i just love BTS, im playing 2 energys a turn on my first turn of the game ( if i go second of course!) i like the dusk balls just because if i need draw i'll uxie under, next turn duskball her back an draw, claydols are taking more hits now with damage, which unoun g lets fly by, i find myself using set up allot, an love the uxie x, 1 because its a built in pokedex, an 2 i zen blade with the lake out, after i bench the crobat, knocking out the champ in 1 hit, champ is BIG over here

danny

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

With Rare Candy as opposed to BTS, you're doing the same thing, but you don't let your opponent get the freeby evolution as well, you see? That's my bone of contention against BTS in a non Stage-two deck. Machamp isn't big over here, but I am a fan of Crobat G.

 

[prof unky dan]

With Rare Candy as opposed to BTS, you're doing the same thing, but you don't let your opponent get the freeby evolution as well, you see? That's my bone of contention against BTS in a non Stage-two deck. Machamp isn't big over here, but I am a fan of Crobat G.

i tried the candies, an it seemed by the time i got them, i didnt need them, then again u know it works the same for the BTS too...heh guess we can never win

danny

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theres always teching in lunatone, 1 to discard the stadium after u set up, an his pokepower to discard the future BTS u dont need, but now we are talking a whole nother tech poke, an lunatone is a great gengar snipe...gengar is pretty hot here too...

danny

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

i tried the candies, an it seemed by the time i got them, i didnt need them, then again u know it works the same for the BTS too...heh guess we can never win

danny

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theres always teching in lunatone, 1 to discard the stadium after u set up, an his pokepower to discard the future BTS u dont need, but now we are talking a whole nother tech poke, an lunatone is a great gengar snipe...gengar is pretty hot here too...

danny

Yeah, you have the same mathematical odds of drawing into Candies as BTS, since there's no stadium or trainer-specific tutor in the deck.

But you don't want to have to waste an energy attachment and an attack just to bump your own stadium, see? And I think you meant Dusknoir. Yeah, this deck runs nothing but direct damage, it might be handy to have that option however.

 

[Prof Em]

I haven't played a Leafeon deck in a long time, but I would think that Miasma valley would be a nice Stadium to start with on the opponent, then knock it out with Dawn Stadium. That way, if you have Leafeon X out T3, you heal the two damage on you anyway, and two every turn after that. If you were to go with this strategy though, I would advise adding the Energy Trans Sceptile so that not all of your energy is wasted on Leafeon once she gets k'oed.

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

I haven't played a Leafeon deck in a long time, but I would think that Miasma valley would be a nice Stadium to start with on the opponent, then knock it out with Dawn Stadium. That way, if you have Leafeon X out T3, you heal the two damage on you anyway, and two every turn after that. If you were to go with this strategy though, I would advise adding the Energy Trans Sceptile so that not all of your energy is wasted on Leafeon once she gets k'oed.

If I start with an Eevee, CFF it, or Call Energy for it, it doesn't take Miasma Valley damage.

And the continuous twenty off of Leafeon sounds nice, but in reality, that's an awful lot of cards just for a freeby potion every turn. Plus, I get that to some extent with the BET Leafeon come April. Furthermore, there's no guarantees I'd have both stadiums. I'd rather just play around a reliable Miasma than the Dawn, despite the healing.

It's just not worth the loss to consistency. (Plus, unless I get a bad hand going second, a T3 Leafeon X is late. )

Updated decklist, will give stats on T1 Leafy X percentages.

I just conducted one late-night dry run. T1 Leafy X - it's so easy going second. Side note: something from the front-page decklist needs to be cut for a Premier Ball, but what?

 

[falcom4ever]

I like the new changes you made I tested yesterday a similar list (I play 4-2-2 Leafeon and 1 Umbreon) and I think that duskball/poke radar was realy needed.

I was wondering about :
- Adding some life herb??? That's flippy but heal 6 counters doesn't look to me bad.
- Change Miasma for Dawn stadium (edit sorry when I post you talked about that XD)

I like the idea any way =P

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

I went with Dusk Ball over Poke Radar because I typically don't bring out the radar until I've got 22 pokemon, as a play preference.

I really like Life Herb, but what am I to cut for it? I already need to find room for a second premier ball? If you can point out something to cut, I'll test it out after the prerelease tomorrow.

Also, I'm still REALLY worried about this deck's potential late-game, or lack thereof.

 

[falcom4ever]

2 Premier and 2 level max or 3 level max and 1 premier is fine IMO.

But why not 1 or 2 sceptile line ? If we take out claydol and add more 1 uxie and dusk ?