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Tier Decks (post states)

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Alex1911

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I know there was another tier forum but this one is post states so...

Tier 1 Decks
1.LuxChomp:lightning::colorless: (flip over starters, *sigh* again)
2.VileGar:grass::psychic: (crushes your spirit vs SP's)
3.DialgaChomp:metal::colorless:
4.Gyrados:water:
5.SableLock/ChenLock:dark::colorless:/:fire:
6.Machamp/VileChamp:fighting:/:grass::fighting:
7.MagneRock:lightning::metal::fighting:
8.MewPerior:psychic::fighting: (crushes your spirit after legit 250 to a weak basic or Uxie)

Tier 2 Decks
1.Steelix:metal:
2.Scizor:metal:
3.Regigas:colorless:
4.PalkiaLock:water::psychic:
5.SpeedChomp(sp):colorless:
6.PrimeBat:psychic:
7.Mega Yanmega:grass: (coudn't think of cool name but wanted to put something)
8.LostGar:psychic: (after everybody teched vs it, I bet you didn't play more than 1 lol)

Teir 3 Decks
1.Most roug/e decks (Be honest)
2.Outdated decks (Be honest)
3.Labors of love

Teir Crap
1.IDK just wanted to put it
2.Majority of my ideas

Apologies if I forgot a deck or offended anybody. This is my personal opinion.

Also, unrelated but roug/e = red facepowder
 
I'm gonna disagree with putting Magnerock, VileChamp, and Mewperior anywhere near top area. VileChamp loses to almost everything... it beats SP, but that is all it can beat really. The deck is really flukey and can win states (as it already has), but not consistently. Mewperior is REALLY lucky and should be nowhere near tier 1. Magnerock is (undoubtedly) good, but it really has not proven itself to be near tier 1 IMO. Also, roug|e IS red facepowder. It is also french for red. I have never heard of a roug|e deck list... nor will I ever see one (unless those silly french people make a scizor prime deck). I think the term you are looking for is rogue. Also, where is the umbreon theme deck? It should AT LEAST be tier 3 ;D
 
I only think we have 3 top tier decks. Luxchomp, Vilegar, and Dialga. Gyarados is in some metas I suppose, but I haven't seen any at states.
 
I agree with Happiny, except I think Sablock is deserving of Tier 1 Also I saw only one Gyarados at a table my entire time at states. I don't think people really care about anything else besides Machamp, either, and that's mostly because of its SP match-up.
 
Tier 1
LuxChomp
DialgaChomp

Tier 2
VileGar
G-Dos
Sablelock

Tier 3
LostGar
Machamp
Magnezone
Steelex
Other Rougues
 
My tier list would involve (in this order): Lux, Sablock, VileGar/GDos, Dchomp. The other tiers are basically everything else. "tier 2" is basically the same as "league decks and random rogues" these days... really sad but true. My list comes strait from the "what won SPT" list. In that order, that is how many of each deck won. ;D
 
Tier 1 (IMO):
LuxChomp
DialgaChomp
Sablelock/Chenlock
G-Dos
VileGar

Sablelock has to be up there.
 
Alex1911 said:
Tier 1 Decks
6.Machamp/VileChamp:fighting:/:grass::fighting:
7.MagneRock:lightning::metal::fighting:
8.MewPerior:psychic::fighting: (crushes your spirit after legit 250 to a weak basic or Uxie)

Tier 2 Decks
8.LostGar:psychic: (after everybody teched vs it, I bet you didn't play more than 1 lol)
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Please explain. How is LosGar, which won just as many as Machamp, rated in YOUR opinion a tier lower and at the bottom of that tier and how do you figure Magnerock or Mewperior should be rated higher when Magnezone won 1 and Mewperior none... I mean these are the ACTUAL results:

Masters Winning Decks:
16 Luxchomp (1 w/Honchkrow)
5 Sablelock (1 w/ Luxray SP) (2 Chenlock)
4 Vileplume/Gengar
4 Gyarados
3 DialgaChomp
2 Lostgar w/Vileplume
2 Machamp (1 w/ vileplume)
1 Arceus
1 Steelix
1 Scizor Prime
1 Vilegar / Dusknoir
1 Magnezone

Also if you spelled rogue correctly you wouldn't have to do that silly roug/e nonsense.

And why is this thread even needed when we have a 'What Won S/P/T's' thread that leaves illogical guess work at a tier list moot in the first place. If you can't just accept real results then what credibility are you lending yourself?
 
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waynegg said:
And why is this thread even needed when we have a 'What Won S/P/T's' thread that leaves illogical guess work at a tier list moot in the first place. If you can't just accept real results then what credibility are you lending yourself?
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I agree with this. Instead of trying to make a "tier list", people should just look at the winning decks and pick one that should do well in their metagame.
 
Maybe more about what decks made top cut instead of the ones that won. Right now it's just pretty much a duplicate topic.
 
Based off of personal opinion and I'm gonna open this with a quote:

Magnerock is (undoubtedly) good, but it really has not proven itself to be near tier 1 IMO.
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The issue and note behind this statement is that Magnerock has surprise factor to it right now. Major fact is it came in 2nd at a very large, very competitive Indiana states with high level players from major states around the midwest (MI, KY, OH, IN, IL) and had very little trouble with nearly every deck listed on that top tier. My friend lost in Top 2 after 3 games due to a bad hand and a donk. It happens. You don't see much Magnerock simply off of the fact that it's a VERY indy deck in a format in which everyone is playing Luxchomp, Vilegar, Gyara, and Dialgachomp. Based off of your logic, Dialgachomp should be Tier 2-3 deck because people can play it and do bad with it.

Looking up at wayne's post up top there, Dialgachomp only has 5 wins. Why? Is it because its a bad deck? Definitely not. IMHO, Dialgachomp is the BDIF and that is a true fact because those who play it well (The winner of Indiana States, Andrew Mondak is definitely an excellent case in point as he is a superb player and has a lot of experience in said deck.) I've got no beef with you bro, but I won't base a BDIF due to seeing a common deck winning. Dialgachomp is far superior when played right.

Statistics don't always state the facts. Sometimes you just have to look elsewhere. I know many people who have played Magnerock and ALL of them have come out with positive records at States or higher. Add this to the play of Morten overseas, and some other tournaments in which I heard its done well, and you have a vastly underrated deck. (I know a 6-1 who lost in T8, a 5-2 with loss in T2, my own 5-2 miss tie breaker.)

Magnerock is VERY Tier 1. You just don't see people playing it. Play against a good one some time and you'll see why its an issue.

That being said:

Tier 1:
Luxchomp (Go away you stupid deck)
Dialgachomp (Love this deck but lack the skills to play it)
Sablelock/Chenlock (Still very relevant)
Magnerock (If good players were to play this deck more, I'm quite certain it would be a demon.)
Vilegar (Still quite relevant as it can beat at least 50% of the games above. However Sablelock and Zone both give it issues)
Machamp (So long as SP is still relevant, this deck is an issue.)

Tier 2:
Arceus (I would put this higher but the relevant player list I know running this deck are two. More insane, the two players that I am aware that play it, both have cities victories with it and both placed ridiculously high at states, one of which got to Top 8 before also losing to Andrew Mondak in 3. I love this deck. It is ridiculously unique.)
Lostgar (If played properly, it could be better. Its still not getting far though.)
Gyarados (There was a grand total of 0 in Top cut at Indiana, and I think maybe only 1 or 2 at Ohio. It has way too many bad matchups to be considered Tier 1 at this moment.)
Scizor PRIME (I've heard some mixed things about this deck. It won a states so it can't be that bad.)
Regigigas (When you see a good Regi, it can be frightening. However I've seen less and less of this deck the more I witness it.)

Tier 3:
Mewperior (This deck is massively bad. Not even worth of the Tier 1 slot the OP put up there. Its a gimmick. Nothing more, nothing less. I respect the uniqueness that Steve Silvestro thought when he created this deck, but I just can't see it being relevant when it still has really bad matchups across the board.)
Palkia Lock (Tested it, but theres just nothing amusing about this poor deck from a format long gone.)
Steelix (Love it, but just has no place in the metagame. Perhaps next format?)

As for the rest of the stuff in your thread, I've never heard of even half of those decks in passing. Should be Tier 3 or not even existent.
 
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^ It should, but given that it hasn't won (ie can't win) anything I don't think it should be very high.

On topic: I agree that tournament placings should have a significant impact on a tier list, but I don't think the two are interchangeable. Tournament winnings are inclined to reflect the most popular deck choices in addition to the best decks.

For example, in a metagame where A is arguably better than deck B, but there are several times more people playing deck B... what deck is more likely to win? Deck A should be higher on the tier list, but given the popularity of deck B it is more likely to place. Alternatively, there could be situations where 1.) mediocre players are running deck A or 2.) deck A doesn't show up at all. But if neither of those are not the case, there's also the scenario that underplayed deck A (a superior deck, for the sake of conversation let's say SP even though we all know it is not underplayed) is entered in a meta with deck B (perhaps Gengar or Gyarados) but there's also a moderate amount of deck C (like Machamp). Deck A -- being the tier 1, superior deck -- should come out on top but due to the meta, deck B is most likely to win this tournament.

There are all kinds of situations that can cause differing results between tier lists and tournament placings. They're often similar but they cannot always be entirely accurate.
 
IMO:
Tier 1:
Luxchomp
Dialgachomp
Gyarados
Vilegar

Tier 2:
Machamp variants
Steelix
Sablelock
Lostgarcentered gar

Everything else is too random to have tier.

It seems like there is some holy legend surround Magnezone/Regirock on pokegym. It really didn't win anything. It's just the most played rogue. It's a decent deck but not a top tables contender. All I've seen is people saying "I got top 16 but it can destroy anything" or "I went 4-3 it's sooo good" or "I went 2-5 but it's still the bdif."
Didn't it only top 8 the ECC? THAT was with surpise factor.

I'm not sure why a random top 8 rogue became so popular... what sets it aside from any top 8 rogue from one of the big states like Florida or Cali?
 
so their is 8 or more tier one decks i think thats completely falseified. Because one deck got lucky and won a states doesn't means anything. Decks that have consistantly won in cities and states have earned there right to say they are tier 1 . Here is what i think is tier 1 and tier 2 .

Tier 1

Luxchop
Sablelock
Dialga chop
Vile gar

tier 2
lost gar
Machamp
gyrados

Everything else is rogue but as we have seen rogue decks can do well depending on their meta and their techs for that meta.
 
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