TurnCruel--Underestimated Champion of next format?
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There is NO WAY this is the champion of next format.
Why?
Too low HP.
This deck won't last through cites.
It has several problems that CANNOT be fixed.
1: The HP is a huge problem. I can see Torterra runing this, along with empoleon.
2:TurnCruel's only win matchup is Kingdra. With Kingdra ruuning around destroying
torterra and what not, TurnCruel will only be a good play vs. Kingdra.
3:Amphy makes it slower. This deck won't need rare candy if it even does see play.
4: Kingdra has two sole advantages over this deck. 1. It can tech bubble coat, and it has a lot of hp,
so it won't be going easily.2. Even though you can attatch enrgy to me, I can still get a bunch
of energy on me. You max out at 40 with cruel, I have no damage cap with aqua stream.
5:Stuff like Rypheroir runs over this.
6:Champion is the worst word you can use here. IFDS ruins the deck, whatever comes later,
there is no way this will dominate the fromat.
Why?
Too low HP.
This deck won't last through cites.
It has several problems that CANNOT be fixed.
1: The HP is a huge problem. I can see Torterra runing this, along with empoleon.
2:TurnCruel's only win matchup is Kingdra. With Kingdra ruuning around destroying
torterra and what not, TurnCruel will only be a good play vs. Kingdra.
3:Amphy makes it slower. This deck won't need rare candy if it even does see play.
4: Kingdra has two sole advantages over this deck. 1. It can tech bubble coat, and it has a lot of hp,
so it won't be going easily.2. Even though you can attatch enrgy to me, I can still get a bunch
of energy on me. You max out at 40 with cruel, I have no damage cap with aqua stream.
5:Stuff like Rypheroir runs over this.
6:Champion is the worst word you can use here. IFDS ruins the deck, whatever comes later,
there is no way this will dominate the fromat.
SaLaMeNcE Xx
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How about maby tech 1 or 2 aerodactyl for some dmg spreading if ur opponent uses powers...
Blaziken 1111
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When peoople talk about next format, most of the time they talk about DP-LA. The next playable format. HP is a problem but not that much because 90 isn't that bad. A lot of cards that will be good next season have 90 HP. As I do belive this has a good advantage over kingdra I do think kingdra can beat this. This can beat torterra becasue absol can ruin their start. Tentacrule can spread a lot early and kill claydols. Same with lanturn. Amphy does make it slower. In a deck like this consitency would be better than techs. When this plays kingdra why would kingdra play bubble coat. If kingdra gets set up it doesn't care about the kingdras being killed. It's easy to get set up. Have you not learned that the loss of kingdra's support is it's greatest weakness. Once all your claydols die you run out of steam in about another turn or 2 and when that happens late game it's a loss unless you can get more up. And turn/crule can easily do that very quicly. How does ry kill this. Just because it one shots everything. Not when it can't get set up. First reread the top 2 sentences. Second how doe IFDS ruin this deck.
G-Dog4377
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I was paying attention to the original post that had Ampharos, but I see what you mean with MoP's version. Magnezone does have resistance to Psychic, which helps a lot. You're right, Deoxys can be problematic. I guess if I see it hit the field, I'll just do what I can to get energy off of the field, probably through Cyber Shock. Mesprit LA can certainly give me problems, but I'd generally move the energy to a location where I could be prepared for power lockage before ending each turn. Then again, Lanturn makes me leery about doing that if I don't want those guys to get damaged. I'd have to test it to find out.
Soccer_kid13
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I was looking at this deck and i've noticed you can put spec energies on your opponents pokemon too. Kowing that i thought a shuckle/scizor tech might work... would it 
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Master_Whiscash_77
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I was looking at this deck and ive notice you can put spec energies on your opponents pokemon too. Kowin that i thought a shuckle/scizor tech might work... would it
The problem with that strategy is there are gew useable Special Energies next season. The list consists of basically Call Energy, along with Metal and Dark and the occaasional Cyclone/Warp Energy.
I think the problem people are going to run into is that the DP-LA season will not last long. It will just be around for Battle Roads. Before we know it, the new set will be out and it will be DP-IFDS for Cities. So I wouldn't put too much focus on DP-LA decks since the most you could win with them would be Battle Roads.
Blaziken 1111
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The early start may make a big difference for a lot of people. Then after the BRs theres cities.
Papi/Manny
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1. 90 hp is a huge problem? *throws lucario and gliscor decks out the window* HP is only a problem if you don't know how to work with it.
2. You must be playing it wrong or simply have a bad list. And kingdra does not, I repeat, does not destroy torterra by any means.
3. Amphy is unneeded, agreed. And this deck will see play. Why would a deck, that has a great matchup against the deck that 85% of the bangwagoners are hyping, not be played??
4. You can tech bubble coat all you want. I can tech warp point and counter whatever advantage you may have gotten for that turn. And I still hit that benched kingdra and whatever you send up. You're hp means little when I start doing 30 t2 to whatever has energy on it, kingdra or not.
5. I love rhyperior, but what on earth are you talking about? Do you mean decking? You have to work your way around that, since every deck is weak to this. Or do you mean attacking? Its very easy to play around the attacks of rhyperior.
6. They said underestimated champion, not champion. People are overlooking this deck (and its one of the better overlooked decks going around) and are not getting how it works. What exactly in IFDS ruins this deck? And do you have a magic snowglobe or something, because theres no way you can predict that any deck will or will not dominate this format.
master of puppets
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Wow Brawler. I don't even know what to say about this... But I'll try to counter best as I can..
1. 90hp is not too low. Considering all of your attacks cost 1 energy even if they do ko you fast, it is so easy to counter with your low energy cost that it's not really an issue.
2. "TurnCruel's only win matchup is Kingdra"? That is one of the most foolish things I have ever read on this site. You after to be joking around saying something like that. This deck is very consistent, fast, and can start the spread turn 2. I really don't even know what to say to something like that. I've been testing next format for over a month, I know what is going to be doing well at Cities and BR's. This deck is not only a great counter to Kingdra, it is a great spread against anything that needs energy to attack (almost everything).
3.Amphy isn't necessary, but that version of the deck is still quite a threat.
4.This one was just too silly for me to even have a counter statement...
5.Rhyperior? I don't understand what you mean "stuff like Rhyperior runs over this". Rhyperior won't see play until after IFDS. I don't even know what kind of deck category you would include Rhyperior in this statement.
6.No, "bad deck" is the worst word (two words). Yes, you're right when you say that there is no way that this will dominate next format, but that is true for every deck next season. There isn't going to be any one deck that rules over the entire format.
Care to explain how IFDS ruins this deck? Because I really don't see how it does..
tglilly
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I have been testing this deck a lot. I really don't see how this will louse to Kingdra a lot. Even with bubble coat, which can be taken care of with a simple warp point. It can also come out just as fast if not faster than Kingdra at times. The only time Kingdra comes out t2 if you get that good start other wise I got this deck set up much faster than Kingdra. Though for Kingdra player, if they play it right they can beat this deck but I really think this deck has an advantage over Kingdra.
(TYranitarFReak)
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I dont really understand what the first attack means. .....
does it mean i spread 40 to all if they all have energy (if i attach 2 from discard)?
Any pokemon that you attached an energy to using the attack takes 20 times the number of energy you attached to it. The attack says you can attach 2 energy, so that means you can either attach them both to a single Pokemon and deal 40 (20x2) to it, or you can attach 1 to two Pokemon and deal 20 to each.
yoyofsho16
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Because they will TOTALLY use Poke-Powers to spread damage around their Pokemon to your liking, making an opening for you to win.