But then how do you get opponents energy in the discard in a deck that doesn't use kingdra, felicity etc.? Maybye spread a little bit, ko w/ deoxys then use cruel to attach?
TurnCruel--Underestimated Champion of next format?
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But then how do you get opponents energy in the discard in a deck that doesn't use kingdra, felicity etc.? Maybye spread a little bit, ko w/ deoxys then use cruel to attach?
master of puppets
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Absol slows the deck down, it does perfectly fine without it.
Of course, what do I know, I've only been tested said deck for almost two months...
Of course, what do I know, I've only been tested said deck for almost two months...
master of puppets
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You would use your night maintenance only on the energy?
Well if my opponent is going to waste Night Maintenance like that, then I really have no need to worry about that game, as I will have no problem winning.
You don't need energy in your opponents discard pile to win, I don't see why you or anyone else would think that.
They will be building up energy on what they plan on using, so right from the get go you get to start spreading 30 to anything they plan on using.
Energy will be in the discard eventually, you will be fine even if it doesn't get/stay there until mid game.
You spread your 30's to what ever they are building up, eventually those will either be ko'd or have a fair sum of damage on them, then when there is finally energy in the discard (do NOT tell me there won't be. There's Felicity's, retreat, KO, etc..) you attach your two energy to something like Claydol and 'X', then if Tentacruel gets Ko'd you just continue the spread with Lanturn, or if they bring something big and beafy up, you should have spread enough damage that Deoxys can OHKO it, or you should have already ko'd it while it was on the bench with Azelf.
Absol slows it down and lowers consistency.
It's a bad play.
Well if my opponent is going to waste Night Maintenance like that, then I really have no need to worry about that game, as I will have no problem winning.
You don't need energy in your opponents discard pile to win, I don't see why you or anyone else would think that.
They will be building up energy on what they plan on using, so right from the get go you get to start spreading 30 to anything they plan on using.
Energy will be in the discard eventually, you will be fine even if it doesn't get/stay there until mid game.
You spread your 30's to what ever they are building up, eventually those will either be ko'd or have a fair sum of damage on them, then when there is finally energy in the discard (do NOT tell me there won't be. There's Felicity's, retreat, KO, etc..) you attach your two energy to something like Claydol and 'X', then if Tentacruel gets Ko'd you just continue the spread with Lanturn, or if they bring something big and beafy up, you should have spread enough damage that Deoxys can OHKO it, or you should have already ko'd it while it was on the bench with Azelf.
Absol slows it down and lowers consistency.
It's a bad play.
master of puppets
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What?
Care to explain how on what your win depends on than?
Care to explain how on what your win depends on than?
Dr. Mason
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I play around decks, I don't mindlessly stoop to what they want me to do. If I see these guys coming, I'm not going to play your game. I'll attach to whoever I want to. Not to mention I play at least 2 Scoop Up in most of my decks. My decks for next season usually don't need to build up the bench anyway, so it won't be a factor. If you're careful, there's not an issue. That's why energy need to be forced on, because without that, I can play around your strategy any day. The only way you can prove me wrong there is a match. I'll play anytime.
Not to be insulting, it's just how I feel
Not to be insulting, it's just how I feel
Papi/Manny
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I don't see how its possible to play around attaching energy to your pokemon. You attach, I do 30. You attach, I do 30. You ko me, I hit you for 80-100 (most likely a ko) and have energy in the discard and none on the field. SSU helps if you can move energy around, but otherwise does nothing to hurt the opponet.I play around decks, I don't mindlessly stoop to what they want me to do. If I see these guys coming, I'm not going to play your game. I'll attach to whoever I want to. Not to mention I play at least 2 Scoop Up in most of my decks. My decks for next season usually don't need to build up the bench anyway, so it won't be a factor. If you're careful, there's not an issue. That's why energy need to be forced on, because without that, I can play around your strategy any day. The only way you can prove me wrong there is a match. I'll play anytime.
Not to be insulting, it's just how I feel
DeathBerry
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This deck is the exact equivalent of Banette in our current GG dominated format.
GG is around, Banette thrives.
Kingdra is around, TurnCruel thrives.
GG is around, Banette thrives.
Kingdra is around, TurnCruel thrives.
yoyofsho16
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I disagree. Banette could beat a lot of things, although it was made for Gardevoir.
Likewise, TurnCruel is ONLY FOR KINGDRA, which, while it will be a popular deck, there will be far more deck choices next format.
Could somebody explain what this deck has on AMU?
Banette EX
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I love your post,keep it up.
DeathBerry
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That's. . exactly what I said. Though I never once mentioned Banette being bad, in fact I was quite fond of it.
Was there a point to your post that I missed?
Dr. Mason
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What does AMU have on this deck? AMU diacrds energy for God Blast, which you can load onto their Azelf who doesn't need it. TurnCruel cant be up as fast as AMU and they are constantly attaching and switching, so again , point to TurnCruel. Also I play Lake Boundary in my build, so getting rid of a snowpoint makes this a three shot wonder.
master of puppets
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lol, I love how you people bash this deck, and refuse to believe that it can beat other things than Kingdra.
Tell me, what is bad about a 30 spread to all of your opponents important Pokemon?
I've played this against plenty of other things rather than Kingdra and it can beat them no problem.
Your opponent will eventually have like 6-9 energy out no problem, and by that time Deoxys can one shot anything because of spread before hand. So I will be hitting for like 80+ for 2 mid game no problem.
In all reality Kingdra has just as good, if not better of a match up against this deck than most do.
Kingdra doesn't even need energy on the field until it wants to attack, and most Kingdra aren't going to try and bother trying to get energy in the discard when they see what they're playing against, so that won't be doing much.
While this deck does have a much better match up against Kingdra than most decks, it isn't an auto win like some people say.
If that was the only reason to play it, than I wouldn't be testing it, I already have my own deck that beats Kingdra more consistently than this.
I'm a good player, and if this deck were to only beat Kingdra than there is no way in heck I would bother play testing it for TWO months, against a lot more decks than just Kingdra.
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If this deck auto wins anything, it's Leafeon variants. They abuse soo many energy that Azelf and Deoxy can spread massively and ohko anything. I was easily doing 130 a turn with Deoxy.
Lanturn spreads crazy good, and Tentacruel cleans up.
Rather than everyone saying this deck auto wins Kingdra they should be saying it does so against Leafeon, because it really does.
I know what I'm talking about.
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The fact that it almost never happens that way is what makes it bad. If they see Lanturn, don't you think they would stop attaching to everybody trying to set up? Most of the time you'll probably get 30 on 1 or 2 of their guys. And Lanturn is too fragile to keep that up for more than 2 turns most of the time.
I will say that I think you're headed in the right direction with Deoxys though. It's a solid answer to Leafeon and Neo-Plox.
(TYranitarFReak)
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ZZ mesprit X can HEAL 30 from all their bench... it really makes life difficult for turncruel.
smart players will certainly start to wisely put their energies down when they see a lanturn being played down.
smart players will certainly start to wisely put their energies down when they see a lanturn being played down.