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I agree with Azure Kite. I just can't find any other way Diaz will live more than a few days if he's a Priest or not.

Sure, PB was lucky, but things can happen on here as well. We just need to be smart and patient and educationally guess. Lynching a Wolf on Day 1 is completely possible IMO.

dmaster out.
 
I disagree with you, Azure Kite. I think that voting for No One will get us the best results because by seeing the first wolf kill, we will be that much closer to knowing who the wolves are. I also have a feeling that there are A LOT of night roles in this game. It would be best (in my mind, at least) to let the wolves make the first move. We are not 100% sure that Diaz is the priest, but he may still be a townie, if not the priest. He might have a very unique power, but can't say anything about it because he would immediately be killed by the wolves, so he used the role of the priest to say a role that the town won't want to lose, but the wolves won't immediately kill him because of it. Sorry for the bad grammar in that last sentence, I don't know how else to put it. I don't think anything can be gained from killing Diaz.

I keep my vote.
 
Guys, I really don't think we gain anything by killing Diaz.

Reasons:

IF he's a towni, we lose 2 players (Diaz from lynch, wolf kill at night), instead of only one.

IF he's lying about being the priest, we will find out. If he's a wolf/dangerous player, we just lynch him the next day.
 
Legotack, I think that he was talking to everyone who is following Azure Kite's way of doing day 1.

(BTW, near 8 pages of discussion, this has got to be a record.)
 
Okay, DP tell me this: How exactly do we find out if Diaz is the Priest? If he survives the night? Hardly a good way to find if he's telling the truth. The logic of "we have 2 people dying instead 1 if we actually lynch someone" doesn't work, because we'e supposed to lynch people. We WANT to lynch people everyday, to get the wolves. Voting to kill no one is an exception to what we should normally be doing. A person getting lynched at night is the unfortunate reality. But once again, DP, tell me how waiting will expose Diaz's role? Give me a good answer, and I may change my vote.
 
We're ignoring the one thing givin us power,
We're givin the wolves a free night,
Killing a guy a day's the only thing that's ours,
We can't just lay back without a good fight

If we keep doin this the wolves won't have any threat,
We're not gonna win if we let them do their thing,
If we follow this plan you better bet
There's no possible chance of a townie-happy ending.

To me darthpikas been acting weird,
he's discouraging the townies, tryin to end the day quick,
He went for every bandwagon, which aint exactly revered,
and he wants us to ly down and not give anyone the kick,

I may seem radical but we need to do something,
a no kill only gets us back to the night,
and before I go I must quickly say one thing,
I could easily change this vote, we'll see, I might.

VOTE: DARTHPIKA
 
Azure Kite said:
Okay, DP tell me this: How exactly do we find out if Diaz is the Priest? If he survives the night? Hardly a good way to find if he's telling the truth. The logic of "we have 2 people dying instead 1 if we actually lynch someone" doesn't work, because we'e supposed to lynch people. We WANT to lynch people everyday, to get the wolves. Voting to kill no one is an exception to what we should normally be doing. A person getting lynched at night is the unfortunate reality. But once again, DP, tell me how waiting will expose Diaz's role? Give me a good answer, and I may change my vote.
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Isnt there a role that can let someone else see someones role? if a person with that role checks on Diaz we can see if hes lyeing?

Also i agree that lynching people is the aim of the game but whats the point in lynching two townies when just one townie would get killed at night instead of a townie and possibly a priest? Then it would be the next day and we would get more info to work with wont we? This is my first game so im sorry if my logic isn't quite right.
 
Azure Kite said:
Okay, DP tell me this: How exactly do we find out if Diaz is the Priest? If he survives the night? Hardly a good way to find if he's telling the truth. The logic of "we have 2 people dying instead 1 if we actually lynch someone" doesn't work, because we'e supposed to lynch people. We WANT to lynch people everyday, to get the wolves. Voting to kill no one is an exception to what we should normally be doing. A person getting lynched at night is the unfortunate reality. But once again, DP, tell me how waiting will expose Diaz's role? Give me a good answer, and I may change my vote.
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We have a Seer do we not? Furthermore, we probably have other roles that are capable of being "proxy" Seers, such as when you were the detective 2 games back. The odds of us getting a wolf are small. I don't want to rush this, and vote out a priest, when we can turn our attention to someone else, or simply not lynch anyone quite yet. Absol gives a lot of clues of what happened over the night. I say it's best to sit back and see what happens rather than making the job easier for the wolves.

Gash, I swear, unless you HAVE to post like that under the penalty of death, please... for the sake of my sanity... stop it. It's really annoying.

I'm not trying to end the day quickly. I tried to stop it from ending too fast. As for bandwagoning? I hardly have bandwagoned. I've voted for what was the most logical choice was for the evidence I had available at any given time. I try to take what I think is the best possible plan of action for the town. If a better option becomes available to me, I'll take it.
 
I don't know about you, but I find that Diaz freely admitting that he's the Priest sounds like some last second attempt to save himself. Meaning you could be an incredibly desperate townie who wants to make it past Day 1, or a stupid wolf who almost revealed himself. As of now, my vote will stand.
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I would just like to say that I’m not dumb enough to be a random townie claiming to be a priest. If I were a random townie, my win condition would still be for the town to win. Lying to the town doesn’t help the town win. I’m all for sacrificing myself for the benefit of the town. I’m here to win. That does not mean surviving to the end of the game. (just making sure that some townie does)
This of course leaves open the possibility that I am a wolf, pretending to be a priest. That’s a tougher issue. I think that a strong piece of evidence that I have here is important information that I have already shared. *If I use my ability to protect a wolf, they can still kill.* This is a change from last game, I believe, when you could turn off the alpha wolf’s ability to kill. I’m not sure if a role blocker could still do it, but I doubt it. I got this info because I directly asked absol in a pm after getting my role.
I feel like this is important info that the town needs to know, and something that the wolves probably wouldn’t want you knowing.
I realize that the above is not a proof of my role, but it is evidence. I feel like there’s no benefit to the town to vote me off. I’ve obviously lost the ability to swing the public opinion against anyone, so even if I were a wolf, I’d be no threat during the day. In fact, if I were a wolf, it’d probably be better for the wolves if I just stopped talking. At night, I don’t think there is any benefit to there being more wolves around or not.

As for absolute proof of my role, the whole seer thing isn’t really viable. As it would be even worse for the town if the seer went ahead and showed himself. The seer(s) need to stay hidden, and gather info. Once they have enough info (like the roles of a couple wolves, and the roles of some townies to back up their claims), then they can let people know whats going on.
I’ll see if I can post more helpful stuff later
 
Unvote: Diaz

Vote: no one

Don't want to kill priest, nobody may be the best option for day 1.
 
Im still undecided if i should for "No One" or Diaz, i just relised we dont want to reveal the seer do we? so the only way to know if Diaz is telling the truth is by lynching him or letting him get killed during the night, but if he doesn't get killed during the night that doesn't mean hes lyeing, so we could find out now by lynching him or find out later, its up to the rest of you guys, il go with the what the majority thinks is the best for the town.
 
What is to say that there cannot be more than 2 priest? It is afterall 37 players, compare to normal 25 players. However, this does not mean I am advocating for the voting of Diaz. I wholeheartedly agree that we will let him stay alive for 1 more day just so that we can gather more evidence on him.

Stupid question: If a priest decide to protect you, do the moderator tell you the identity of person that protected you or do you get the generic statement that a priest has protected you for the night?
 
I only send a message stating that the preist chose you for protection and your role (if you have one) will not work. Nothing else
 
Absol - What would happen if priest1 was protected by priest2 while priest1 was attempting to protect player3? I ask only to be sure, as it is only logical that both priest's roles would go off, as to have it any other way is a paradox.

It is a paradox because if their roles went off at different times. both would be protected, so there roles wouldn't go off, so they wouldn't be protected so their roles would go off, so they would be protected so that their roles wouldn't go off...ad infinitum.

You can see why it is a logical fallacy to have it any other way, so hopefully you will agree.
 
After reviewing the last few pages of discussion (sorry, I haven't been on much since my last post) I really am not sure about lynching Diaz. If the circumstances were different, I would change my vote. But it would be a very bad move to not lynch anyone. All it will do is give the wolves a free kill. Will we really have that much more information by Day 2? I don't know for sure, obviously, but I highly doubt it. It simply isn't worth it.

Diaz, I admire that you're using some kind of logic already. But saying something that risky if you're the Priest is a bad move. If you've got a role that benefits the town that much, you're really probably better off keeping a low profile early in the game.
And, well, it's just too convenient for you to turn out to be the priest. Anyone can claim to have a useful role when they're about to die. Out of 37 people, how likely is it that you're one of probably 1-3 Priests?

I'll support lynching someone else, but I'd rather risk losing a priest than waste a lynch. My vote stands.
 
Ikrit said:
Absol - What would happen if priest1 was protected by priest2 while priest1 was attempting to protect player3? I ask only to be sure, as it is only logical that both priest's roles would go off, as to have it any other way is a paradox.

It is a paradox because if their roles went off at different times. both would be protected, so there roles wouldn't go off, so they wouldn't be protected so their roles would go off, so they would be protected so that their roles wouldn't go off...ad infinitum.

You can see why it is a logical fallacy to have it any other way, so hopefully you will agree.
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That's ASSUMING there is more then once preist.
Based on your situation
Preist2 Protects Preist1 and thus stops Preist1's role from ever working. ONLY Preist2's power works because he stops Preist1's power....
 
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