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Except that we're speculating that he's investigation immune, which I have reason to believe beyond other's suspisions
And what are your reasons? Are they part of your role, or are they something else?
And just out of curiosity, where were you night 5? If you think it would give away your role somehow, don't answer.
That would be just wonderful; you can stop role revealing now.I can Night Kill him instead, if you so wish.
Absol: I search the ship for active consoles. I look in every compartment and room available to us. I look for directions to a redundant bridge from which the ship might be controlled. I look in the engineering room for any thruster controls. I also search for any rooms that might have opened up since HK-47 spoke to us. I look for anyway to contact the droid brain again. I look for a light saber from one of the dead jedi/sith/dark jedi to cut open the the panel to the button and then press it again if I am able. I do some calculations to see if decompressing the hangar would be enough to change the course sufficiently. I look for the ships access codes so that I could use the available shuttle to take remote control of the ship and change its course. I use the shuttle's radio to attempt to hail the droid brain again.
Absol you may have missed what I directed towards you in my last post.
@Jpulice:
1. Why are you stating that I(jpulice) said you were a null read?
I was sure you had said I was a null read. I went back to find where that was and I realized that the post I had seen saying that was not by you but rather by scottistru. That post is here.
I was happy to let this go when Scottistru made this statement. It was you who took it as ammunition against me. Thank you for acknowledging that I did not do this, it must have been hard, since it undermined part of your argument against me.
2. Why are you claiming I am jumping on a bandwagon?
I am saying that you are jumping on the bandwagon as you seemed to me to be waiting for others to accuse me before doing so yourself. It is true you have said that I was suspicious for several days. Rather I am saying that it seems that you are using their accusations for your own means. Looking back what I had said previously was a bit strong to describe it as the others attacking me occurred rather quickly.
Wow, again I had to remind you that I had in writing called you out days in advance. So now we have two times you tried to twist my actions, but I had to show you the facts. Again it must have been had to admit this.....
Why are you still attacking cardz when I have completely cleared him?
This is where I’m really impressed. I never said “I completely cleared him” (Cardz) But when you state something like this it looks like you’ve quoted me from the previous post, again attibuting my information as such.
.You really pushed for a Cardz vote yesterday, even when I presented my facts to why I believe he's townie. I also believe there are many out there who also believe he is town aligned. A self-claimed Detective (jellyfishes who I believe) has put Cardz as a townie and yet you come back to your suspicions about him.
I am glad you reminded me to address this. I was wanting to deal with your reasoning when you posted it, but school conspired to prevent me from posting again, until after the only cabd or spartacus voting type started at which time I turned all of my efforts for looking towards contradictions between them.4. What other facts/arguments do you have against cardz other than the contradiction?
Your analysis is not definitive. Let me explain your root problem. You assume that the person who is shown to be seered in night 2 is cardz. Dave628 explicitly said that his targeting of cardz was successful, not that he sucessfully protected him. As per dave628's role, he has a 50% chance of seering a non-force sensitive. As per that night's update, there is someone in the empire that can be targetted by force-based roles, but that ignores their effects.
First off I’m not assuming the person protected was Cardz, because it was. I’m not going to reconnect the dots.
So lets just look at the update, so at this point we don’t know if Cardz is force sensitive. I'm with you on this on, so there is a chance it did not work. However, there were two people (Wayneeg and Slowkingrocks) who targeted Cardz and neither of them were successful. We can infer Dave628 did sucessfully protect Cardz on night 2.
The Engine Room too was strangely quiet at least compared to the previous night. Housed in the very rear of the ship, the large, now exploded fusion core lay in ruins, still cooling down from the earlier explosion. There was however still quite a bit of action going on in the Engine Room. It started with a man meditating in the back of the Engine Room, no one knew exactly what he was doing, but it was one man’s intention to find out. He entered the Engine Room fully encompassed in a black cloak, making his identity all but invisible. He approached the meditating man, appearing to not intend harm. However he was stopped by a barrier, the same barrier that had stopped him previously before. This time however he was not the one the barrier surrounded. It was the meditating man. Realizing his mission had failed, he disappeared as quickly and silently as he appeared. A floating smile and face, the one from before faded from the shadows once the man had left in frustration. He too intended to target the meditating man. However his attempts proved as futile as the cloaked man. Despite his best efforts, the floating smile left the room as well knowing he had wasted his time. Despite this, he kept on smiling. What neither of them realized was that the source of the barrier was closer than either of them realized. There was also another man (jpulice adds IKRIT assumed this was Dave628 but it says another so its not dave)in the room. Hidden in the shadows, he saw everything and watched everyone, some in more details then others.
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Dave628 - Princess Leia
(Force Sensitive)
You are Princess Leia, a diplomat and Force Sensitive person who has an always had a desire to help those in need. Like always you have found yourself in thee mist of conflict in a battle to decide the outcome of the battle. Although you are not a fully trained Jedi, your Force powers offer you some abilities. You will have to use your protective abilities to try and help the town and defeat the Dark Side once and for all. You are a priest.
ROLE: Force Protect
Once during the night, you may PM me the name of a player (other then yourself) to protect. That person will be completely protected from all attackers and abilities, but will not be able to use his/her ability either. The person you take in will not know it is you who took them in. However in order to protect someone, you must be able to see them, so you will follow the person to whatever area of the ship they are traveling to.
However you are weaker then most in the Force and use the power of your allies to fuel your strength. If you take in a Force Sensitive, you will have a 100% chance of protecting them, if they are not a Force Sensitive, there is a 50% chance of the protection failing (there role will then be used and they will not be protected.)
Win Condition: Town Wins
That is not the only hole in your reasoning, however. In most instances in games on the gym if a member of the wolves is priested the wolf kill will still go off. In some instances...depending on the mod... priesting even the alpha will not stop the night kill. But there is still another possibility...notice that the giovanni group has NO activity that night. So it is possible that him being priested stopped that group. To show you exactly what I mean:
Wow impressive yet again. I don’t believe you quoted me correctly again. I bolded the night 2 update which stated “the Empire was traveling together tonight” and they were in the barracks, not the engine room. So either Absol made a big mistake or Cardz is clearly not Empire. So you have missed my point yet again but you lay it out there like I said it to be true.
You assume that if cardz was priested and a wolf the wolves would not get a kill. You assume that the person described in the update is cardz. You assume that cardz is force-sensitive. You assume that cardz role would not interact and possible stop the priesting. You assume that if cardz is anything he would be a wolf not a part of the giovanni/cyrus group. These things are not facts. In fact there is substantial evidence that you are wrong on some of these. First is that in previous games priesting a wolf does not necessarily stop the night kill. Second it is unlikely that cardz is the man described as being seered in the update as it says that the source of the barrier is very close in that room...and then it immediately describes a man being the last person in that room, dave628 was leia a girl. Next there is demonstrable evidence in the update of a member of the empire group being immune to the effects of force stuff but not the targeting portion. This is why I do not consider cardz to be cleared.
So just a few posts ago, you indicate IF a wolf had an ability to protect himself it would be way to overpowered.
@jpulice: Yesterday you stated for poor reasons, stating that you were voting for me because I supposedly voted for a null read...when you had said I was a null read. Beyond that fact, you try to cast suspicion on me by saying that palpatine would be immune to seer and detective. I cannot think of something more broken than a wolf being unable to be seered or detectived (is that a word?). Beyond this, I have already stated that my role is similar to the voguer from a previous game. To my knowledge that kind of a power role is only ever in the hands of the town.
Now you are admitting you agree at least DarthPika had an ability to block a role. Why is it not probable that Palpatine has an ability to look townie?
What has happened to cardz is more than a contradiction. He lied to get suspicion off of himself. He even stated that his only defense was that he misread the post on day 4 and assumed his posting would be limited. He specifically stated that he had not been able to post on day 5. He redacts this and says the only reason he did not post on day 5 is because he was busy. I have no problem with him being busy. I have a problem with him lying about the reason why he did not participate. He states in one post the reason why he didnt post was because he couldnt...then when called out he states that it was actually because he was busy. Contradictions can be accidents...deception is intentional. Beyond this in my post against him I do a full analysis of every meaningful post he had made to that point. If you want my further reasons...reread this post.5. You have been on my suspicious list since day 5 so I feel like I should lynch you because you have not been voting for people to be lynched.
Every one of us lynched moves the wolves towards winning. I do not vote for someone unless I have sufficient evidence, or when not voting means that the wolves might get a double kill(Cabd). I explained this earlier. Beyond this, I do not consider this to be a bad thing that I had not cast a vote to lynch when every lynch that I had not voted on turned out to be a townie with the exception of an indie that I still think there was not enough evidence to lynch. Are you calling me suspicious for not contributing to the lynching of townies?You are still really pressuring cardz when I have already cleared him yesterday...why?
Yes I’m suspicious of you not voting. The town's primary mode of eliminating “badguys” is to lynch. They can only hope to have night killers but without this the town MUST rely on lynching. We the town are at the disadvantage and can only rely on the information provided (or lack thereof). So yes we will off fellow townies out of necessity to kill wolves but this is part of the game, which you know so well. Again I like who you say infer I’m upset with you for not lynching townie. Well played but it doesn’t pass my laugh test.
There you go again not quoting me straight again.
As I said, I had already judged your evidence to be faulty. If any one of your assumptions are false then your entire line of reasoning collapses. I was more worried about defending myself from an immediate lynch than attacking someone who I believe should be lynched.You are still pressuring cardz when the detective has cleared him...why?
I’ve lost count to you twisting words. I never said this go back and look.
The detective HAS NOT cleared him. The detective has specifically stated that apart from those four people, he has not cleared anyone else by his role. Do not get it in your head that he is cleared.8. You said Sith/Dark Jedi to avoid talking about the empire.
I have already told you why I said sith/dark jedi. You don't like how I think of things. I will continue to talk about the bad guys in my notation in my notes and translate for you if you like.9. There are only 20 players left and I can't figure out your role.
Not knowing someone's alignment is not a sufficient reason to lynch them. There are several people on my hard to know list. It is a good play to attack them to pressure them. If that is what you are doing, good job. I have basically told you my role. Test it.
I’ll pass, I have better use of my time. Your response has cemented my vote. You have to bring a whole lot more than this to clear yourself.
Jpulice I would like for you to defend your townhood. Use all of the reasons you can. Please continue to link posts, it makes checking you much easier.
Huh, your asking for posts to check reasoning. Why so you can twist more words? I believe I’ve demonstrated your ability to do this, but you know this already. I’ll just have to pass on clearing myself to someone I believe is a wolf. I’ll just have to wait until its necessary.
If I am read by a seer they will not get a read.
I would say that, if possible, the pseudo-Priest should protect the now role-claimed detective.
First of all it is important to notice that Absol gives out roles semi-randomly. He does like the teams to be balanced however. So much so that in the past he has taken good players off of the wolf/other evil factions to prevent them from being too heavily weighted. He stated explicitly how he sets up teams and states that he only has 1-2 really good players per "team". TFP was a wolf and a very good player. It is unlikely from what we have seen of how he sets up alignments that there is another really good player on the wolves teams.
Beyond this fact we still have several experienced people who we do not know the alignment of: PokeChampofPokeBeach, SS7, AAM(He was tatted which means it is unlikely that he belongs to the evil group that does tattoos...but that does not mean that he does not belong to the other group), Cardz(more on this in a moment), Spartacus (remember he originally was Lucario EX). This accusation affects all of them as well.[/INDENT]
Perhaps if you stated the result of you looking at jpulice's alignment that would assist unless that would reveal more than simply his/her alignment.I am just a little bit less sure on jpulice, but for the moment I believe he is town. Now I also have some questions for a few players.
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