What is Weavile/Exeggcute?
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PMysterious
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Let's make it sound simple. Weavile is a Stage 1 Pokemon that has an attack for 2 energy I think which discards as many Pokemon as you like to deal 30 times the amount of Pokemon you discard. Exeggcute has an ability which allows it to return to the hand from the Discard Pile. Basically, if you have 4 Exeggcutes, you can deal 120 damage a turn.
platinumwaiter
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I think the Weavile is from Plasma Freeze or something but it has an attack for a dark (I believe) that does 30x the number of Pokemon you discard from your hand. Exeggcute has an ability that lets you get it from the discard and put it in your hand. So you would be doing at least 120 damage if you have all Exeggcute in the discard. That's the basic strategy.
badganondorf
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The deck explained here: http://www.thedeckout.com/2013/02/eye-on-japan-metagame.html . In short, it's just a Gyarados(SF) for this format.
I thought that too, but it seems to be doing well in Japan.
What is considered "well"?
I just dont understand how it could be good unless theres something im missing. Needing 4 specific cards at once to deal 120 sounds bad and its a gigantic combo that doesnt work well on its own. Do they not play big basics anymore in Japan?
Every card in here is prone to Lando and 1st turn Tornadus donks. Even Mewtwo can tear up most of this deck before it gets to go. This deck cant OHKO anything, but everything in it is very easily prone to OHKO's from all EX's and plus the whole deck is all stage 1s.
Now i dont think this is a terrible deck, but a top contender? Im just confused to how that would be possible in the modern meta.
PMysterious
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Let's see, how would Weavile/Exeggcute do well in Japan? Weavile discards SO many cards that its crazy. So, Electrode can draw a good amount of cards, as well as cards like Cheren, Professor Juniper, N, Colress, etc. . Let's not forget this is 120 EVERY turn GUARANTEED. That's crazy considering that it can possibly get started on Turn 2 and knock out everything in 2 shots or lower EXCEPT for a Black Kyurem EX with a Crystal Wall. I honestly think that the deck's speed is what is so good about it. Thus, making it do well in Japan.
Weavile only discards Pokemon though and your deck only runs so many, so how are you getting so much damage off all the time? And how do you consistently get 4 Exeggcute to your disposal?
Im not understanding the consistency of it. Nor do I understand how this deck endures anything. Everything in the deck is low HP. And again, does Japan not play big Basics? How does this deck deal with things like Lando and Tornadus? Or even Mewtwo with lasers? That to me is just a mystery, since no other low HP decks have thrived this format so i cant see how this deck is thriving.
Bilbo Baggins
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Exeggcute's ability makes you get off 120 every turn. Same concept of Gyarados, just with movement of cards. Reason it does so well? You knock out EX's for 2 prizes, they knock out your guys for only 1 prize. It keeps up well, and is fast at running threw the deck to get the guys into your hand/discard (Juniper/Level Balls/ Ultra Balls, etc).
Im aware of how Gyarados worked but Gyarados wasnt dealing with 180 HP Pokemon at the time. The cap of HP was a lot lower in that format and a lot more decks with low HP pokemon were also more common.
That still doesnt answer my question about the decks weaknesses. The weaknesses just seem to outweight the strengths. I can see how it sets up, but I just dont see how it can take all the beatings that decks throw at it. The deck seems on the level of Garchomp and Empoleon. It can be good when it gets going, but when it doesnt it just gets wrecked.
Just how "well" is this deck doing over there? Is it super dominant or is it just another tier 2 deck?
trog
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Add Deoxys EX, +10 Damange for each one on your bench. Add Dark Claw, +20. Add a Lazer, +30. Discard one more Pokemon add, +30. That is up to 240 damage when you need it. Seems pretty good to me. Plus you can power it up instantly with dark Patch and a Colress Machine. Sure Weavile has low HP, but what an attacker. Not to mention you can Ultra ball away the Exeggcutes to power up the attack.
treyh37
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considering its dark type you can easily swap in the sableeye/dark patch engine, as other have said theres ways to up that 120 higher easily. also both exeggcute and weavile work with level ball.
an ideal start would be sableye start level/ultra ball to get an egg or sneasel, sableye to get trainer back next turn level/ultra for weavile/more eggs, colress/reg nrg attach, switch to weavile get as many more eggs as you can and attack. repeat
main counter I see to this deck is if you dont get the eggs safely into your discard and your opponent N's
an ideal start would be sableye start level/ultra ball to get an egg or sneasel, sableye to get trainer back next turn level/ultra for weavile/more eggs, colress/reg nrg attach, switch to weavile get as many more eggs as you can and attack. repeat
main counter I see to this deck is if you dont get the eggs safely into your discard and your opponent N's
DragonClyne725
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Or your opponent plays a Garbodor with a tool and all of your eggs are instantly rendered useless...
Palbert6393
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This is not 120 guaranteed. This 120 IF there are no Exeggcute prized (since we have no way to get it out other than by taking a prize outright) and IF you have managed to get them all out of your deck. I can see this working, and I can see it being fun... but isn't weavile just to fragile?
Normal guy
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Why not add ho-ho and super scoop up?
Vegeta ss4
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This deck is hyped for a reason. It works, I've played with it and actually like it in this format.
Being fragile is not always reason enough to ruin the viability of a card in a format. For example. Jumpluff in 2010 was a very good, tier 1 deck that was VERY fragile. It won by swarming Jumpluffs quickly and winning close prize trades. It expected to get KOd every turn, but it could recover instantly between Candy/BTS and 2 or 3 Claydol + Night Maintenance. Weavile is very similar to this, but it gets the added bonus of being a Stage 1 and existing in a format almost entirely dominated by EXs. So trading 1 for 1 on Pokemon is essentially trading 1 for 2 on prizes, which is really fantastic.
Also, Eggs being prized doesn't hurt THAT badly. You can run Town Map to help get those Eggs out of the prizes, plus you can always just discard Pokemon not named Exeggcute. Or, heck, you can also run Hypnotoxic Laser + Virbank.