Kayle
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What if all of the energy is fire?
What Will Be Good For City's?
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What if all of the energy is fire?
TheDarkTwins
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And then they flip heads on you and take 2 prizes instead of one. That's not very good. Gyarados doesn't really need Expert Belt. I actually feel that Expert Belt makes Gyarados WORSE not better.
As far as Salamence, it has potentional and it might get lucky and win a cities or two, but I think overally it is one of those decks that is WAY too hard to set up quickly. When I say quickly I mean T2/3 not T4/5. The deck is going to have issues because of it's high energy cost. It is weak to a pokemon that is clearly superior (Flygon) and that is a huge problem since Flygon is faster and can attack for less energy. I just don't see Sally being a good choice. I also think this should be about all decks, not just a discussion if Sally is the best deck. That is not what this topic is for.
I don't expect the format to change too much from Battle Roads, but I also think that anyone thinking that Gengar is going to be better because it got a Lv. X that is mediocre is kidding themselves. 1 card usually doesn't take a deck from really really bad and make it good. It happens on occasion, but the fact is the moving damage Gengar is a BETTER card IMO than the Lv. X. I would be surprised if Gengar leads the Cities wins as I just don't expect it to do very well, but I expect it to take some Cities.
Drew
RagingPancake
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Well I have a few solutions you could try
1. power shuffle
2. don't play palmers in blazeray (not gonna help ur bad hands but nm or aarons is better in sp)
3. change your list up a little bit, maybe if you make a better or more consistent list it will draw better
4. stop lying, Im sorry but you are exaggerating. Your hand is not that bad every game. I get hands like that too but I still win my next 3 games and go 3-1.
Back on topic
Salamence isn't going to win much. i think that power is amazing but I just don't think the deck is quick enough. I mean sure you can say there is spiritomb but I mean it isn't like other decks can't get set up, and they will, much faster. Also it doesn't have good enough damage out put. Kingdra does 80 for 1 every turn while salamence does 120 for 2 every other turn.
Right now Im thinkin the BDIF is Flylock, in this format when considering deck choice you are taking about10-15 decks into consideration that you know might be played at the City Championship your going to, plus rogue decks that could come outta no where. I think the flylock can handle any deck that isn't made to specifically beat flylock except for luxray techs, so therefore it is the safest play for cities
nnaann
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:lol: The odds of that happening are pretty slim.
Imagine this: You and your friend are both in the same situation with the deck. You both draw identical hands, and play the same opponent who draws into the same cards - like 2 identical games which you and your friend both play in. Flips are the same, provided you follow the exact route of your friend and both you and your opponent shuffle the deck exactly the same as you long as you make the same plays as your friend.
Do you think you would both make every play the same and have a completely identical game to each other?
SalamenceGreat
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Yeah, I know. The odds are VERY low, but thats my point right there; My luck is Just THAT bad. lol.
TheDarkTwins: Flygon is not always faster. With flygon out, SF sally can then attack for less energy.
1 Fire to do 50. +30 for flygon's weakness. 80 Damage for 1 energy.
OR
1 Fire/1 Water to do 120 + Weakness = 150 to flygon.
Even without salamence's Body in effect, it can still attack for 2 energy. The SAME as flygon's first attack.
Your right, your all right. Salamence wont win much because no one is open minded enough to give it a good chance.
No one will test it in great detail. Most of us see it as bad or we play it once and leave it, but thats not really testing it to the fullest.
TheDarkTwins: Flygon is not always faster. With flygon out, SF sally can then attack for less energy.
1 Fire to do 50. +30 for flygon's weakness. 80 Damage for 1 energy.
OR
1 Fire/1 Water to do 120 + Weakness = 150 to flygon.
Even without salamence's Body in effect, it can still attack for 2 energy. The SAME as flygon's first attack.
Your right, your all right. Salamence wont win much because no one is open minded enough to give it a good chance.
No one will test it in great detail. Most of us see it as bad or we play it once and leave it, but thats not really testing it to the fullest.
SalamenceGreat
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So if I understand what your saying; your saying that Sally VS Flygon is pretty much 50/50? Is that right?
baby mario
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Not true.
Sally was the first deck I built with the Arceus cards and I have been trying to make it work ever since. I've tried it with and without Delcatty, with a tech Sally SW, with Spiritomb, with Snowpoint Temple, with Crobat G/Poketurn, with Expert Belt . . . I even tried an extreme build using 3 Lucian and 4 SSU to try and take all 6 prizes in 3 attacks.
Nothing I have built so far can stand up against any of my SP lists, and anything with a Dusknoir tech gives it a very hard time. To me, that means Sally is a fatally flawed play in this format. I'm still playing around with a few ideas, but unless I can crack the SP match up, I will definitely not play Sally for Citys.
It only looks like 50-50 if you are comparing Sally and Flygon's ability to KO each other.
Depending on the build, Flygon has so many more techs, strategies and tricks than Sally (which is basically just a big HULK SMASH Pokemon), that it is very likely to simply outsmart Sally, rather than just stand there and go toe-to-toe with it.
Cephalized
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Everyone has valid points, but all of this discussion leads nowhere.
Everyone seems to have their own ideas, but are adamant to change.
I think Arceus is going to take Cities by storm.
Everyone seems to have their own ideas, but are adamant to change.
I think Arceus is going to take Cities by storm.
Cyrus
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Arceus may be a good deck in the future, but right now, it's a pretty mediocre option. It has neither the speed of a cheap, efficient deck, nor does it have the tricks and consistency of SP...If anything, Arceus is more or less a "bad" version of SP. But I'd at least assume it's decent vs average Flygon and Salamence lists, though.
Nekizalb
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I think that Flygon will do well. It has the ability to beat Salamence, and stands up to SP decks better than Salamence can. Gengar could do OK. As for SP, LuxChomp probably will be good, and Blazeray/Luxape should nab a few wins. Beedrill might make top cut, but it has its flaws. Gyarados would see some play, and with Expert Belt or other cards, it might take a few Cities.
I still think Gardevoir/Gallade/Weavile is the best, although I have to tweak it because I'm going to be playing in a Gengar-heavy metagame.
Sceptile is not a good play in an area with a lot of Blazeray/Luxape.
I still think Gardevoir/Gallade/Weavile is the best, although I have to tweak it because I'm going to be playing in a Gengar-heavy metagame.
Sceptile is not a good play in an area with a lot of Blazeray/Luxape.
Gallade_Master
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Just no Dusknoir... =[
I think either BlazeRay, Flygon, or some kind of donk varient will dominate.
Tego
New Member
Completely agree on this. I tried to make Salamence work, I really wanted it to work, but it just can't beat SP consistently. Even with anti-SP techs.
Chompy
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Sallycatty's main problem against SP decks is Power Spray. Once, your opponent Power Sprays Salamence Lv X's Double Fall, your chances gradually drop because of it. After all, Salamence's entire strategy was to draw 2 prize-cards whenever you knocked out a Pokemon, and SP Pokemon were suppose to struggle against Pokemon with Huge HP and attacks. For some odd reason, Salamence just can't seem to win against SP decks like Luxape, BlazeRay, DPL, and especially Palkia Lock because of how fast SP decks are and how slow Salamence is.
kd0220437
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So your saying that a Pokemon that has 150 hp and is hitting the defending Pokemon for 110 isn't good? Wow that is hilarious! It is so easy to set up. I hate to play against that deck, not saying I can't beat it, just saying you should watch for an increase in the deck being played. Expert belt made Gyrados like 10x better.
TheDarkTwins
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No, I didn't say that. I said, that Gyarados doesn't need it ,and that your scenario was a bad one becuase if they flip heads they get two prizes instead of one, and Gyarados can't afford to do that against Gengar.
Drew