ColdCoates90
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Yep. I try to get around 1g of protein per 1 pound of body weight. I get in about 150g .
I've heard something like its good to have 1g of carbs per 3 grams of protein. Know anything about that?
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Yep. I try to get around 1g of protein per 1 pound of body weight. I get in about 150g .
I've heard something like its good to have 1g of carbs per 3 grams of protein. Know anything about that?
plaidlesspez
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I'm still trying to learn more, but from what I can tell the workout routine doesn't really matter. It's certain exercises that are going to build muscle (give you more endurance, etc... whatever you're aiming for), not an overabundance of protein.
I was pretty amazed when I saw this guy on YouTube, he's been doing a fruit and vegetable diet for over 25 years and he seems like he's in incredible shape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzk-jh1eemI
Having that athletic ability at 57 years old, I'm at least to open to learning more about what he advocates. The China Study book talks about about the negative health effects of eating too much animal proteins, so the fruit and veggie thing kinda makes sense to me.
Also one big thing I've learned is that most people carry around a lot of extra water on our bodies. The reason is because of our consumption of foods that are toxic to our body (like table salt). Our bodies try to compensate by holding extra water to dilute the toxins, so our muscles aren't really as big as we think they are. Most of us are bloated w/ extra water.
I was pretty amazed when I saw this guy on YouTube, he's been doing a fruit and vegetable diet for over 25 years and he seems like he's in incredible shape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzk-jh1eemI
Having that athletic ability at 57 years old, I'm at least to open to learning more about what he advocates. The China Study book talks about about the negative health effects of eating too much animal proteins, so the fruit and veggie thing kinda makes sense to me.
Also one big thing I've learned is that most people carry around a lot of extra water on our bodies. The reason is because of our consumption of foods that are toxic to our body (like table salt). Our bodies try to compensate by holding extra water to dilute the toxins, so our muscles aren't really as big as we think they are. Most of us are bloated w/ extra water.
Yeah, there really isn't too much to eat. Either fried crap, pizza, random gross meal for the day, and a sandwich station. I thankfully hate soda though so that isn't an issue, and drink water constantly. I think the new plan for me is to eat pb&j for breakfast with whatever fruit i can scrounge up, salad for lunch, and then a tuna wrap/sandwich for dinner.
Yo have to understand some of us are training to be "non overweight" some of the things I do require me to be in better shape than most people
plaidlesspez
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by training to be "non overweight"... there are elite level athletes that eat a high carb, low fat, low protein diet.
I know there's 1 guy that runs ultra marathons and another guy that is a cyclist. The marathon guy reports one of his regular marathon times as 2:37... I don't know if that's his best, but I'm guessing that's pretty good compared to your time (no offense... just giving you some insight that it can work).
nnaann
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I personally try to avoid drinks like this. They have a lot of damaging chemicals put into them, to replace sugar and other more natural ingredients which have been taken out. I'd rather deal with something bad which I know about, then something I don't. I know a lot of sweeteners have been linked to causing cancer, and some are starting to get banned in several countries.
prodigal_fanboy
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Are you serious? Table salt? Granted, there are negative side effects of over-consumption of table salt (hypertension, etc.) that do indeed relate to increased cellular water retention, however it is also absolutely necessary to live. Your entire nervous system would cease to function in the absence of sodium ions. That's why animals (including us) have evolved a taste preference for it. Try it. Put some salt in your hand, your dog will lap it right up.
It's claims like "salt is a toxin" that make me skeptical of diets.
plaidlesspez
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Sodium and table salt are two different things. You can get sodium naturally from foods (like celery) without the side effects of refined salt. You have a taste preference for salty foods because salt is addictive, not because eating salt is healthy for you.
That's like saying if you put chocolate in your hand and your dog eats it, that means it's good for both of you.
prodigal_fanboy
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Your body also needs chloride ions to metabolize food. Table salt will disassociate into free ions when consumed (granted, table salt also has iodide ions, but those are added to combat thyroid deficiencies).
I'd like to see your evidence for the claim that salt is addictive, and in particular, the strength of the addiction.
Granted, "Short-term maintenance on a sodium-deficient diet does not appear to reliably induce a sodium appetite (see Denton, 1982, p. 138)." Only long-term maintenance does, however they don't immediately state definitions for short-term v. long-term.
All of the above are from:
Also consider reading:
Off to chem lab.
ColdCoates90
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Tony Horton is nearing that age,eats animal proteins, and is in excellent shape. Jack Lalanne lived until 96 and had a diet supplemented with protein too. I think there's a method to their madness.
plaidlesspez
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@prodigal_fanboy: Recommended intake of sodium by the American Heart Association is less than 1,500 mg per day. The average American consumes 3,436 mg of sodium per day, most of it (75%) added to foods.
From: http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4708
Notice they don't even give a minimum to consume... just a maximum. And they don't recommend adding any table salt to food (at the bottom under tips to reduce sodium).
Do you think it's just a coincidence that people that people seem to gravitate towards salty food even though they are obviously eating plenty and it's bad for them?
I don't know how you personally define "addiction" but this is what the New Oxford American Dictionary terms "addicted": physically and mentally dependent on a particular substance, and unable to stop taking it without incurring adverse effects
At least to me, it seems like the average American is addicted to salt. Take away 2,000 mg of salt out of the diet from the average American and see how happy they'd be. And taking away that amount of salt will more than likely mean eating different foods for most people, not just cutting back on table salt. You can't take the sodium out of all the processed foods that people eat.
That study with the rat seems like the same thing as humans eating fatty foods because of a natural instinct to consume calories, and fats are the most caloric dense foods. Fats have twice the calories as carbs and proteins, so it's just instinct to eat fatty food but that doesn't mean it's good in our context. We're not living in a society where we have to worry about the certainty of our next meal and have to binge on foods to get the nutrition/calories we need. That seems like the same as that rat study you've pointed out.
And I majored in chem in college. We didn't learn about nutrition. Saying that because the body needs chlorine and that table salt dissociates into Na+ and Cl- so it's good for the body doesn't make sense. Do you think the body needs the same ratio of sodium and chlorine? I personally don't know what the ratio is, but you can't just assume it's equal.
@ColdCoates90: Yeah I agree that Jack Lalanne was in incredible shape, but I still don't necessarily agree with his supplementation of protein. He ate a ton of fruits and vegetables too as far as I know, but he started eating the way he did a long time about before much research came out about nutrition and I sorta doubt he changed his diet very much throughout the years. If you'd read the China Study you'd understand where I'm coming from about the animal protein.
I don't know what Tony Horton's diet is like, so I can't really comment too much on him. I'd be mostly interested to see what his caloric breakdown is in regards to carbs, fats, and protein.
From: http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4708
Notice they don't even give a minimum to consume... just a maximum. And they don't recommend adding any table salt to food (at the bottom under tips to reduce sodium).
Do you think it's just a coincidence that people that people seem to gravitate towards salty food even though they are obviously eating plenty and it's bad for them?
I don't know how you personally define "addiction" but this is what the New Oxford American Dictionary terms "addicted": physically and mentally dependent on a particular substance, and unable to stop taking it without incurring adverse effects
At least to me, it seems like the average American is addicted to salt. Take away 2,000 mg of salt out of the diet from the average American and see how happy they'd be. And taking away that amount of salt will more than likely mean eating different foods for most people, not just cutting back on table salt. You can't take the sodium out of all the processed foods that people eat.
That study with the rat seems like the same thing as humans eating fatty foods because of a natural instinct to consume calories, and fats are the most caloric dense foods. Fats have twice the calories as carbs and proteins, so it's just instinct to eat fatty food but that doesn't mean it's good in our context. We're not living in a society where we have to worry about the certainty of our next meal and have to binge on foods to get the nutrition/calories we need. That seems like the same as that rat study you've pointed out.
And I majored in chem in college. We didn't learn about nutrition. Saying that because the body needs chlorine and that table salt dissociates into Na+ and Cl- so it's good for the body doesn't make sense. Do you think the body needs the same ratio of sodium and chlorine? I personally don't know what the ratio is, but you can't just assume it's equal.
@ColdCoates90: Yeah I agree that Jack Lalanne was in incredible shape, but I still don't necessarily agree with his supplementation of protein. He ate a ton of fruits and vegetables too as far as I know, but he started eating the way he did a long time about before much research came out about nutrition and I sorta doubt he changed his diet very much throughout the years. If you'd read the China Study you'd understand where I'm coming from about the animal protein.
I don't know what Tony Horton's diet is like, so I can't really comment too much on him. I'd be mostly interested to see what his caloric breakdown is in regards to carbs, fats, and protein.
I would hardly call people "addicted" to salt. They obivously like it and most don't care enough about the adverse health reactions to give it up but it just doesn't seem to be in the same league as Tobacco products.
Protien is essential in building muscle, which is the goal of many competitors, to do the things I do and to do them safely and without constent injury I need muscle, if your goal is just to be "healthy" it might not be as big of a deal I think it really depends on what your goals are.
Protien is essential in building muscle, which is the goal of many competitors, to do the things I do and to do them safely and without constent injury I need muscle, if your goal is just to be "healthy" it might not be as big of a deal I think it really depends on what your goals are.
prodigal_fanboy
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I'll grant you this: I have no argument for equal amounts of Na+ and CL-, and didn't greatly consider that in my initial posting.
However, I disagree completely with your conclusion that people are "addicted" to salt. The entirety of the point about the rats and the salt is that we've only lived in an agricultural-dominated society for the past ~10,000 years, evolved taste preferences have yet to be entirely shaken.
I attempted to make the case that salt is a substance that we have an evolved taste for, is necessary for life, and is toxic in high concentrations (I'd like to point out that water also fits those criteria, but if I am not mistaken it takes a massive intake on the order of gallons to induce negative consequences of over-consumption of water).
tl;dr -- I don't buy your claim that Americans are addicted to salt. If you're arguing that Americans are addicted to salt, here's the DSM-IV (APA) criteria for addiction:
I'd argue that you do fit criterion and criterion two alone, as foods will tend to taste "more bland" without being salted than with. However, if you're arguing that Americans have in fact developed a classical tolerance for salt, I'd like to see another compound that has a relatively stable plateau in the dosage/effect curve. I don't see people increasingly salting their meals like classic tolerance would suggest.
I'll just leave these other articles here (unrelated, but meh).
Muscle mass is actually less important for marathon runners (how many Arnolds do you see running Marathons) while most are "lean" they aren't heavy muscle built like you get in sprinters.
As far as my time versus his, of course his is a lot better he probably also trains alot more I'm a student and work, I was training 15 hours a week he's probably training twice that. Its kind of like saying whos a better boxer me or you? I train alot more in stuff like that than you do and have a lot more experience comparing me in you in that reguard would even make sense.
And what I meant was there is a difference between excersing to not be fat and training for something, I really need strong muscle for Judo since I am wrestiling people. Technequie is important but so is upper body strength
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And no offense taken were having a good discussion and your bringing an opposite view point
Tego
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I started going to the gym in January 2010, after never having been interested (AT ALL) in working out. Since then, I've been going twice a week every week, and I'm loving it. I used to think that it wasn't for me, and that it would be impossible to fit it into a busy schedule of studies and work (I have two different jobs, study at graduate school and do lots of volunteer work as well), but I turned out to be very wrong. The fact is that it doesn't take up too much of your time, and ideally just in the morning anyway, and also you gain so much energy and vigor from it, which just really makes you perform better in everything else you do. 
prodigal_fanboy
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Doing a few crunches every day will not get you a six pack if you are not below a certain body fat percentage. Abs come from the kitchen.*
*Note if you're twig skinny, eating a mild caloric surplus and doing crunches will benefit you, as you can have "abs" at low bodyfats despite not having much musculature, at which point the core exercises will increase abdominal definition. Your average person does not lack the core strength for abs, they simply are carrying too much body fat for abs to show, and crunches daily will not change that.