Why I'm Voting for Barry

[PokemansForGeeks]

No, I am not a political addict but I do love candidates who make sense...Ergo, the reasons why I (and you should be) voting for Obama.

1. He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk."

2. His views on health care make sense (let everyone have the chance to live).

3. His running mate doesn't have an IQ of a banana. Nor spends money like Paris Hilton.

4. He actually has a plan (albeit a good one) for the ailing economy.

5. He (unlike others) actually stands for change.

6. He didn't vote with Bush 92% of the time.

7. Even though he would actually be a better president for Joe the Plumber, he doesn't throw it around his campaign like tomatoes at a bad concert.

8. Look who's endorsing him....they are intelligent, inspiring human beings.

9. Look who's endorsing McCain...wait, is anyone endorsing McCain besides Donald Trump?

10. Obama's tax plan actually helps the middle class and only taxes those who make A PROFIT of over $250k an extra 3%. Sorry Donald Trump you can't afford your Lamborghini LP460 this Christmas =( - Oh wait, yes you can!

11. Look at the red states - GA, OK, TX, ID, NE, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of all the red states is a mere 15%.

12. Look at the blue states - NY, CT, CA, MA, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of those states? 75%.

13. McCain is minutes from death (and you know what that means).

14. Palin is an idiot.

15. Even though Obama doesn't think abortion should be illegal (and from the pragmatic aspect I don't either), he thinks we should decrease the amount of abortions.

16. Obama plans to pursue other forms of alternative energy besides DRILLING, DRILLING, DRILLING!!11!!

17. Obama plans to give every kid in this country the chance to go to college for free! Yay!

18. Obama isn't worth $40 million and says he's campaigning for the middle class when it's obvious he's only about cutting taxes for big business. Oh wait! That's John McCain!

19. Obama didn't graduate at the bottom of his class. He went to Harvard.

20. Obama knows how to dance! (I know you're going to quote me on this and use it against me Spotter/Boofu/Cyrus lol)

There you go...if you think McCain/Palin is even worth talking about then you probably live in TX. lolol

I could give more reasons but I must go to college, which I am attending for free (no thanks to Dubya)!

 

[Cyrus]

Alas.

I must go to college as well, but take a look in Northern New York or Western Pennsylvania sometime! I don't hear the book-learnin' is too heavy up thar.

 

[taurik]

No, I am not a political addict but I do love candidates who make sense...Ergo, the reasons why I (and you should be) voting for Obama.

1. He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk."

That's debatable. Both sides have been doing some serious negative campaigning.

2. His views on health care make sense (let everyone have the chance to live).

And McCain's don't let everyone have the "chance to live"?

3. His running mate doesn't have an IQ of a banana. Nor spends money like Paris Hilton.

You really convinced me there, Einstein.

4. He actually has a plan (albeit a good one) for the ailing economy.

Both candidates have plans. Plus, I don't think that either candidate has a plan that's going to save our economy they way they claim.

5. He (unlike others) actually stands for change.

"Change" is not necessarily a good thing. You have to look at what's changing objectively.

6. He didn't vote with Bush 92% of the time.

No, but he voted with his party 96% (from the Washington Post)

7. Even though he would actually be a better president for Joe the Plumber, he doesn't throw it around his campaign like tomatoes at a bad concert.

No, he just harps on how McCain=Bush

8. Look who's endorsing him....they are intelligent, inspiring human beings.

Whose opinions can be just as incorrect as anyone else's (Ad Populum argument)

9. Look who's endorsing McCain...wait, is anyone endorsing McCain besides Donald Trump?

Who endorses John McCain?

10. Obama's tax plan actually helps the middle class and only taxes those who make A PROFIT of over $250k an extra 3%. Sorry Donald Trump you can't afford your Lamborghini LP460 this Christmas =( - Oh wait, yes you can!

Maybe, maybe not. That's what they keep saying though, and they wouldn't oversimplify or distort what they're promising, would they?

11. Look at the red states - GA, OK, TX, ID, NE, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of all the red states is a mere 15%.

12. Look at the blue states - NY, CT, CA, MA, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of those states? 75%.

Democracy was not set up so that the more highly educated are considered to be more correct.

13. McCain is minutes from death (and you know what that means).

I doubt his condition is as bad as that.

14. Palin is an idiot.

Another really convincing argument.

15. Even though Obama doesn't think abortion should be illegal (and from the pragmatic aspect I don't either), he thinks we should decrease the amount of abortions.

He's promised to enact the Freedom of Choice Act as one of his first actions. This would immediately make null and void every current restriction on abortion in all jurisdictions, including:

- State abortion reporting requirements in all 50 states
- Forty-four states’ laws concerning parental involvement
- Forty states’ laws on restricting later-term abortions
- Forty-six states’ conscience protection laws for individual health care providers
- Twenty-seven states’ conscience protection laws for institutions
- Thirty-eight states’ bans on partial-birth abortions
- Thirty-three states’ laws on requiring counseling before an abortion
- Sixteen states’ laws concerning ultrasounds before an abortion

There is proof that these things have reduced the number of abortions. By removing them, this can only cause the number of abortions to increase. As a matter of fact, Obama is one of most pro-abortion candidates around.

16. Obama plans to pursue other forms of alternative energy besides DRILLING, DRILLING, DRILLING!!11!!

McCain's plans do include alternative energy.

17. Obama plans to give every kid in this country the chance to go to college for free! Yay!

I have no problem with that

18. Obama isn't worth $40 million and says he's campaigning for the middle class when it's obvious he's only about cutting taxes for big business. Oh wait! That's John McCain!

Not obvious to me. There's a lot more to either of the candidates than what they want to do with taxes. Plus, it can be argued that raising taxes on businesses would have an adverse effect on our economy, as the businesses will just pass that expense on to the end consumers.

19. Obama didn't graduate at the bottom of his class. He went to Harvard.

Irrelevant.

20. Obama knows how to dance! (I know you're going to quote me on this and use it against me Spotter/Boofu/Cyrus lol)

Very funny, but this is the U.S. Presidency, not "So You Think You Can Dance"

There you go...if you think McCain/Palin is even worth talking about then you probably live in TX. lolol

I could give more reasons but I must go to college, which I am attending for free (no thanks to Dubya)!

 

[ApachePrime]

Who endorses John McCain?

Who endorses Barack Obama?

I think Obama's list is quite a bit more impressive.

 

[bullados]

Gotta love a site that has over 800 references...

 

[taurik]

Who endorses Barack Obama?

I think Obama's list is quite a bit more impressive.

As I said before, those peoples' opinions aren't any more valid than yours or mine, and the number of people endorsing a candidate has no bearing on how fit they are to be President.

 

[homeofmew]

Obama is like I don't take money for my campaign from big businesses
SO untrue. He will raise all taxes to pay for the health care plan.

He wants to TALK to terroirists and Iran and Syria and N Korea [bad people]

doesn't Support Born Alive [when an abortion takes place but it comes out living]
and supports partial Birth abortion [when you kill the baby when it is being "born"]
-.-'

 

[ApachePrime]

As I said before, those peoples' opinions aren't any more valid than yours or mine, and the number of people endorsing a candidate has no bearing on how fit they are to be President.

But, many of those people are very well respected. People who are experts in fields related to some of the top issues, and major movers and shakers in our world. I don't care about the press or the hollywood people on those lists. Just look at the number of experts that back Obama as opposed to the complete lack of backing that McCain has.

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Obama is like I don't take money for my campaign from big businesses
SO untrue. He will raise all taxes to pay for the health care plan.

He wants to TALK to terroirists and Iran and Syria and N Korea [bad people]

doesn't Support Born Alive [when an abortion takes place but it comes out living]
and supports partial Birth abortion [when you kill the baby when it is being "born"]

I'm not sure if this is even English, but (if I read it correctly) they aren't even related to each other.

Raising Taxes for a Health Care Plan would be the same thing McCain does, they've both said so. The money has to come from somewhere.

Obama is a Democrat, one of our party values is Pro-Choice, so the abortion issue is obvious. Partial Birth Abortion is supported not for mothers that decide to get an abortion once they start labor, but to save the mother's life.

I'm not sure why you have a problem with peaceful resolution as opposed to warfare.

 

[taurik]

But, many of those people are very well respected. People who are experts in fields related to some of the top issues, and major movers and shakers in our world. I don't care about the press or the hollywood people on those lists. Just look at the number of experts that back Obama as opposed to the complete lack of backing that McCain has.

You exaggerate. "Complete lack of backing"??? The people on the list of those backing McCain don't look insignificant to me.

 

[ApachePrime]

You exaggerate. "Complete lack of backing"??? The people on the list of those backing McCain don't look insignificant to me.

I don't see more than 4 or 5 people on that list that aren't Republican Politicians, or Bush and his father. The business people and academics are in the teens, while Barack Obama has entire Native American Tribes, Over 50 Labor Unions, CEO's of banks and huge businesses(Even though he plans to tax big business), Econimists, Scientists, Astrophysicists...

Comparatively, McCain has 9 individual people from any of those categories.

That's comparatively a complete lack of backing.

 

[The Knee]

No, I am not a political addict but I do love candidates who make sense...Ergo, the reasons why I (and you should be) voting for Obama.

1. He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk."

No, he smears just as bad as Mccain, the difference is the filter. The liberal media would defend him if he we're to commit murder at this point.

2. His views on health care make sense (let everyone have the chance to live).

His ends may be correct but his means are horrible. Can't have one without the other.

3. His running mate doesn't have an IQ of a banana. Nor spends money like Paris Hilton.

Slander, not worth responding too.

4. He actually has a plan (albeit a good one) for the ailing economy.

So does Mccain, however, a difference of opinion should not determine the authenticity of a plan.

5. He (unlike others) actually stands for change.

Is there anywhere to go but up?

6. He didn't vote with Bush 92% of the time.

He did vote with the Dems more often then Mccain voted with Bush though. I thought he was for change?

7. Even though he would actually be a better president for Joe the Plumber, he doesn't throw it around his campaign like tomatoes at a bad concert.

Not completely true, he has worked his way around the issue because nothing good can come of it at this point. If i close my eyes then i don't see the problem, but the problem is still there.

8. Look who's endorsing him....they are intelligent, inspiring human beings.

Hollywood celebrities, uninformed voters, and people full of hate. Yep, incredibly intelligent human beings. Next time i need to write a term paper, remind me to ask Hollywood about my thesis statement.

9. Look who's endorsing McCain...wait, is anyone endorsing McCain besides Donald Trump?

Blah blah, long list, blah blah, argument, blah blah blah

10. Obama's tax plan actually helps the middle class and only taxes those who make A PROFIT of over $250k an extra 3%. Sorry Donald Trump you can't afford your Lamborghini LP460 this Christmas =( - Oh wait, yes you can!

We don't know what Obama's tax plan does yet. If he gets control of the office and senate that he can make that tax plan say whatever he wants.

11. Look at the red states - GA, OK, TX, ID, NE, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of all the red states is a mere 15%.

The minority reflects poorly on the majority. Anyways, aren't these drop-outs deserving of the hard-workers money? I thought thats what was being stood for.

12. Look at the blue states - NY, CT, CA, MA, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of those states? 75%.

Congrats. Good job. Lets have them give their college salaries to the poor south.

13. McCain is minutes from death (and you know what that means).

And this isn't slandering the other candidate? Have them vote Obama out of fear of Palin?

14. Palin is an idiot.

see #3

15. Even though Obama doesn't think abortion should be illegal (and from the pragmatic aspect I don't either), he thinks we should decrease the amount of abortions.

I don't care about this issue, both sides cannot be moved.

16. Obama plans to pursue other forms of alternative energy besides DRILLING, DRILLING, DRILLING!!11!!

Mccain wants to invest in Nuclear energy, which has the highest yield for its cost. Sounds like an economically sound plan to me.

17. Obama plans to give every kid in this country the chance to go to college for free! Yay!

Maybe those red states will have better scores with the money and schoolin they are getting(I'm included in those red states)

18. Obama isn't worth $40 million and says he's campaigning for the middle class when it's obvious he's only about cutting taxes for big business. Oh wait! That's John McCain!

How much money did Obama raise on this campaign? How much of it do you think he will give back to the community? How much has he spent on advertising? He had a commercial during the world series. Guess how much that costs?

19. Obama didn't graduate at the bottom of his class. He went to Harvard.

Obama didn't ever serve in the military, he has no right to command an army.

20. Obama knows how to dance! (I know you're going to quote me on this and use it against me Spotter/Boofu/Cyrus lol)

Mccain can dance if he wants to. He can leave his friends behind. Because if his friends don't dance and if they don't dance, then their no friends of mine.

I could give more reasons but I must go to college, which I am attending for free (no thanks to Dubya)!

Dubya played a large part in the HOPE scholarship if i remember correctly.

 

[Brawler]

Everyone here is talking about how about obama voted with the dems 96 percent of the time and how thats not change.

The republicans have been in the white house for 8 years. I think a democrat is change.

 

[Mew*]

He wants to TALK to terroirists and Iran and Syria and N Korea [bad people]

When you talk to people like a respectable human being should, you can resolve problems peacefully the proper way. Or you could be like Bush and refuse to talk and go and attack a nation based on lies of them having weapons of mass destruction. Look where that put us. We lost a lot of respect in the world after that mess. I absolutely can't understand that logic of not wanting to talk... talking to people does no harm, and it often helps.

 

[rhodesia123]

Everyone here is talking about how about obama voted with the dems 96 percent of the time and how thats not change.

The republicans have been in the white house for 8 years. I think a democrat is change.

yeah seriously. if he voted AGAINST the democrats 96% of the time, that would make him a republican. hes supposed to vote with his own party.

 

[Cyrus]

Neither of these candidates is change. Only a new take on the status quo.

With Obama in particular, you will see the disastrous Syria-cow towing (Pelosi), financial market-collapsing (Barney Frank/Chris Dodd) policies of the past eight years.

With McCain, there's at least some hope for genuine, GOOD change. Unlike Barack Obama, who has spent his entire life being a follower, McCain has taken risks by sticking with what he believes. From the Gang of 14, changing his mind on McCain, that's just the kind of guy he is.


"1. He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk.""

-What did Barack Obama promise?

A new kind of politics.

What did Barack Obama give us?

The campaign that destroyed Hillary Clinton.

The campaign that lies about the Ayers association (William Ayers and Barack Obama crossing paths on a street sounds like a bad joke), and wishes it would go away, when it is Obama himself who has the power to stop it.

The campaign that has fueled the fires of sexism, racism, and prejudice with no regard for who gets hurt in the process.

The campaign that's not a new kind of politics, but stereotypically like those of the olden days.

"3. His running mate doesn't have an IQ of a banana. Nor spends money like Paris Hilton."

Sarah Palin is a woman I have fundamental disagreements with, and would prefer not to get the oval office over McCain. But she is a smart woman, and has more to show for her little time as governor than Joe "I'm scared of hard-hitting press" Biden.

The rest of your points are honestly moot, or just repetition of the same old slander.


Based on your commentary, I can tell that you are fed lies, and eat them up because of one pet issue: health care. If not for your mother's poor health, I guarantee a smart guy like you would be far less vulnerable to jaded socialism.

But listen to me: a monopoly of the Executive, the Legislature, and the Courts like this one will make this country bleed worse than it did under Jimmy Carter.


You're not the only one. The Democrats do this well, and for that I commend them.

What the Democrat's Party does so well is find a group's pet issue - be it health care, racial discrimination, etc - and then proceed to exploit it.

They have you hooked, even though if you cared to hear what the likes of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, et al have been doing with your country's future, you'd vomit, and renounce voting for Barack Obama.

There are a lot of talking points I don't buy about the man, but when you look at his simple stances on the issues...He's wrong. He hopes to promote the doomed Keynes economics of the past, and hopes to screw up our foreign policy even worse than it got screwed over under Bush.

 

[PokemansForGeeks]

I don't see why socialism is such a bad thing to some people.

If I was making $250k in profit, sure I'd be angry that I'd be paying more in taxes but I'd still be glad to know it was somehow being used benevolently. Even though government programs are some of the most inefficient around and I know a lot of deadbeats live off of the system just think about the families that are actually being helped because of it. Yea, health care is a huge issue because of my personal position but that's not the only reason why I align myself with Obama's views. I take solace in at least trying to somehow help others.

After college I plan to either join the Peace Corps. or somehow help those in my community. I heard this story on the news today that somebody bought a stranger's house that was being foreclosed and auctioned off and gave it back to them for free. That's what we need more of in the world.

People often cite me on my "emotional" way of debating (I beg to differ lol) but when it comes to this stuff it's hard not to get emotional. That's why politics is so corrupted right now (lack of caring about the consequences) =\

 

[marill95]

16. Obama plans to pursue other forms of alternative energy besides DRILLING, DRILLING, DRILLING!!11!!

ahem, the correct phrase is DRILL BABY DRILL!

OBAMA 08 WOOHOO

 

[Chairman Kaga]

If I was making $250k in profit, sure I'd be angry that I'd be paying more in taxes but I'd still be glad to know it was somehow being used benevolently.

Do you honestly believe that your higher taxes are going to go to anything besides the latest pork barrel projects?

Obama wants to lower individual taxes but increase corporate taxes. The massive flaw in that plan is that corporations don't pay taxes -- they pass the bill on to consumers. They do this either by hiking prices, or by eliminating American jobs (either through outsourcing, or simply eliminating the positions to cut costs). For every dollar you get back in his tax cut, you'll be paying two more at the store thanks to his hatred of the free market -- assuming you still have a job so you can pay for stuff.

Like most of Obama's platform, it sounds good when he's saying it but it's an unmitigated disaster if you actually analyze it. It gets votes from the mass of Americans that don't bother educating themselves on the issues, but in the end it's economic suicide.

I take solace in at least trying to somehow help others.

Then do that. Give to charity or something. The American people do not need the government's "assistance" in helping people. Their brand of assistance is usually the opposite.

 

[Cyrus]

I don't see why socialism is such a bad thing to some people.

If I was making $250k in profit, sure I'd be angry that I'd be paying more in taxes but I'd still be glad to know it was somehow being used benevolently. Even though government programs are some of the most inefficient around and I know a lot of deadbeats live off of the system just think about the families that are actually being helped because of it. Yea, health care is a huge issue because of my personal position but that's not the only reason why I align myself with Obama's views. I take solace in at least trying to somehow help others.

After college I plan to either join the Peace Corps. or somehow help those in my community. I heard this story on the news today that somebody bought a stranger's house that was being foreclosed and auctioned off and gave it back to them for free. That's what we need more of in the world.

People often cite me on my "emotional" way of debating (I beg to differ lol) but when it comes to this stuff it's hard not to get emotional. That's why politics is so corrupted right now (lack of caring about the consequences) =\

It's neat to hear you're considering Peace Corps. That's been an option on the table for me, too.

Anyways, the inherit problem in compassion through government is that, like meat through the grinder, it gets twisted, distorted, and altered into something different. What once was a well-intended measure becomes a bureaucratic nightmare that cost taxpayers triple of the slated amount...It's that kind of stuff our federal government produces, and would inevitably produce in health care, or a socialized economy.

In your example with the kind guy who helped out...Was he not an individual wealthy enough to do that? Isn't that guy - and through extrapolation his kindness - a product of our capitalist system?

Do you have enough faith in the human race to be like that guy, rather than to put all your faith in a government that has trouble always reflecting its bosses (its citizens) values?

When you get the government doing charity work, it's no longer charity: it's a handout. Goodwill evaporates in that kind of scenario, and that's a major threat of a socialist structure.

 

[DarthPika]

My responses in bold.

No, I am not a political addict but I do love candidates who make sense...Ergo, the reasons why I (and you should be) voting for Obama.

1. He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk."

I really don't know who you think your kidding here... he smears just as much as everyone else.

2. His views on health care make sense (let everyone have the chance to live).

His views on health care are just about the worst I have ever seen. We already pay taxes so other people can send there kids to school, and now we have to pay for their health care to?? I'm not being mean or selfish here, I just think that people need to learn to CARE FOR THEM SELVES!!! Depending on the Gov. for every thing leads to even more rights being taken away.

The real answer to health care is to start enforcing laws on how much they can charge for medical treatment/medications. There is NO WAY in the world that you can seriously tell me that the tiny bottle of my allergy medicine is actually worth anywhere near the $200+ they charge for it before insurance takes off about $60. >_>

3. His running mate doesn't have an IQ of a banana. Nor spends money like Paris Hilton.

Pointless smear.

4. He actually has a plan (albeit a good one) for the ailing economy.

McCain also has a plan.

5. He (unlike others) actually stands for change.

Okay, good. I also stand for change. I vote that we enforce that everyone now has to pay me $5 every time they have to go to the bathroom. Funny how you can take almost anything and twist it around to make it sound good, isn't it? Change isn't always a good thing...

6. He didn't vote with Bush 92% of the time.

Well.... he actually didn't vote a lot of the time. >_>

Voting with Bush 92% of the time dosn't mean McCain actually agrees with everything Bush says or does. It only means that he was voting with his party.

7. Even though he would actually be a better president for Joe the Plumber, he doesn't throw it around his campaign like tomatoes at a bad concert.

No reply

8. Look who's endorsing him....they are intelligent, inspiring human beings.

Last time I looked, it was a bunch of Hollywood liberals. Being famous does not in any way make you intelligent or inspiring.

9. Look who's endorsing McCain...wait, is anyone endorsing McCain besides Donald Trump?

Another pointless smear.

10. Obama's tax plan actually helps the middle class and only taxes those who make A PROFIT of over $250k an extra 3%. Sorry Donald Trump you can't afford your Lamborghini LP460 this Christmas =( - Oh wait, yes you can!

Funny thing about taxes... you can tax the big companys as much as you want, but its ALL going to trickle down to the consumers. So yes, if you count making everything out there cost MUCH more as helping the middle class, I guess that IS a change.

11. Look at the red states - GA, OK, TX, ID, NE, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of all the red states is a mere 15%.

And? I never knew that you had to be a genius to be able to tell who a good president is. I think its more the gullible people that are the ones who make the difference. Perhaps you should google that term.

12. Look at the blue states - NY, CT, CA, MA, etc. The combined 4 year college graduation level of those states? 75%.

Once again, this has NOTHING to do with this.

13. McCain is minutes from death (and you know what that means).

Is that really the best you can come up with?

14. Palin is an idiot.

Pointless smear. She is certainly capable of running the country for a few years if needed. I would bet she would be better then Clinton ever was.

15. Even though Obama doesn't think abortion should be illegal (and from the pragmatic aspect I don't either), he thinks we should decrease the amount of abortions.

Once again, its funny how you can take almost anything and twist it around to make it sound good.

16. Obama plans to pursue other forms of alternative energy besides DRILLING, DRILLING, DRILLING!!11!!

Nuclear energy is one of the best options out there, and one of the most cost effictive. Obama is insane thinking that solar/wind energy will work for everyone. I'm not in any way against solar/wind energy, but for many areas its just not a realistic option to provide all the regions power.

17. Obama plans to give every kid in this country the chance to go to college for free! Yay!

I have no problems with this.

18. Obama isn't worth $40 million and says he's campaigning for the middle class when it's obvious he's only about cutting taxes for big business. Oh wait! That's John McCain!

See #10.

19. Obama didn't graduate at the bottom of his class. He went to Harvard.

So going to Harvard makes him better then everyone else? I guess if thats the case then everyone who cant afford to go to a rich school should just give up and work at McDonalds for life.

20. Obama knows how to dance! (I know you're going to quote me on this and use it against me Spotter/Boofu/Cyrus lol)

Obama can dance, and hes VERY good at it. Ive never seen anyone so carfully dance around giving a straight answer to a question.

There you go...if you think McCain/Palin is even worth talking about then you probably live in TX. lolol

Congraduations, you just insulted every person living in Texas.

I could give more reasons but I must go to college, which I am attending for free (no thanks to Dubya)!

You do realize that its usually the state that is incharge of Schools/Colleges?

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When you get the government doing charity work, it's no longer charity: it's a handout. Goodwill evaporates in that kind of scenario, and that's a major threat of a socialist structure.

That's actually bordering on being communist. Heck, why don't we all just move to China to see just HOW WELL a communist gov. actually works. -_-