Why M&Ms (Eeveelutions) are going to become Archetypes - A TC-EE Production
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Muscovy Level X
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Agreed. But, what use is it on the bench? It's one thing to talk about Leafeon Lv.X, which is never used to attack, but the main attacker... The only special thing you have to do with Glaceon Lv.X is not search for it ahead of time, tempting your opponent to wager.
vanderbilt_grad
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Tego's posted this elsewhere, but part of what made the eons so good in Japan is the UF Energy Evolution Eevee. They get to attach an energy, search for an evolution based on that energy, and attack T1. T2+ they can see about getting the level X out and powered up. If we had that Eevee then I would feel a lot better about eon decks in general.
~`Flygon`~
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and people wonder why G&G is the most used deck,people just dont have faiths in other decks,now you have to win nationals for lutions to viable,but I dont think G&G will win our nationals,well matter of fact it probably will since everyone and their grandma will be playing the deck
but the point is,Eeveelutions beats G&G anyway,u have to tech Latiolock to stand a chance alot of the time,they dont even have to setup glaceon,setup Espeon and Umbereon and confuse and OHKO anything with PPs and Charms.Gallade is the only threat and that can be taken care of quickly.
but the point is,Eeveelutions beats G&G anyway,u have to tech Latiolock to stand a chance alot of the time,they dont even have to setup glaceon,setup Espeon and Umbereon and confuse and OHKO anything with PPs and Charms.Gallade is the only threat and that can be taken care of quickly.
V_For_Vendetta
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And yet you can't even post a real viable strategy for it.
Seriously, keep telling yourself you have a good matchup vs it, it will do you loads of good when you are 0-X at nats/BR/League vs GG.
Professor Elm
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Glaceon Lv. X and Leafeon Lv. X are both amazing cards w/ above average attacks and great bodys/powers.
If you are going to sit here and tell me that its not going to see any play cause PLOX is better then I'd laugh.
Honestly, PLOX is good but its getting old.
Eeveelutions have tons of popularity already, and they will see a good amount of play along w/ the new fossils.
If you are going to sit here and tell me that its not going to see any play cause PLOX is better then I'd laugh.
Honestly, PLOX is good but its getting old.
Eeveelutions have tons of popularity already, and they will see a good amount of play along w/ the new fossils.
master of puppets
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I think that they are going to see a TON of play at Battle Roads.
Not because of how good they are, but because of how hyped they are and the fact that they are Eevee.
Eeveen (pun!) I am playing the Leafeon at Battle Roads (with Vire), and I am sure that MANY other people will be playing Eevee at them as well just because its Eevee and they are set in stone that the deck will work, eeveen if it doesnt.
Not because of how good they are, but because of how hyped they are and the fact that they are Eevee.
Eeveen (pun!) I am playing the Leafeon at Battle Roads (with Vire), and I am sure that MANY other people will be playing Eevee at them as well just because its Eevee and they are set in stone that the deck will work, eeveen if it doesnt.
Ok, it seems thats all my arguments and all the pro-eevee arguments fail. You know what, have fun at nationals with all your mirror matches and not worrying about Eevee. Lets see how good which decks are, and then we will decide what is the best deck. I don't think eevee will be the best, but I will choose to use it anyways. Vire fails, but people still like to use it. It's still an archetype, albeit not a good one at the current metagame.
Also, the UF eevee is prolly is one of the key factors in Eeveelutions, but I think the CFF Eevee is playable for pure and comboed eeveelutions. It's not such a bad option.
Also, the UF eevee is prolly is one of the key factors in Eeveelutions, but I think the CFF Eevee is playable for pure and comboed eeveelutions. It's not such a bad option.
Time for Pain
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to add to the argument of glaceon lv. x vs. Gardevoir on who can shut down powers better, I'd go gardevoir. Reason if you play a warp point/cyclone energy you can use your powers again if you were facing Glaceon Lv. X
Papi/Manny
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Leafeon beats Plox. Power lock means nothing when you hit for 30 a turn.
~`Flygon`~
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since my other post got deleted and I got a infraction by Prime
Ima say this.Check the Deck Help and Stradegy forum,I have a Lution deck that spreads and does a good job of it. Your making it seem like Leafeon and Glaceon cant be in the same thing just because one spreads and the other one accels energy,and thats a bad thing. Leafeon dosent have to attack,it sits on the bench and accels,its main purpose,just like Typholosion in Magmortar,Blaziken PK in Mag,Vire SW for Vire,they arent the main attacker,just in case attackers.
I do have a good matchup with it,even if I did attack with Leafeon,I would do 60 and reduce 20,youde only be 30 and Ide be doing 60 and Ko you quicker and make you have to flip one extra prize just to KO. If im reducing,its gonna last longer becuase of a espeon on the bench and it being the LVx.you have to hit me 5 times to Ko with Gardy,when I can hit twice. Then if spread before maybe even less times than that.
The deck is good and will see play,not just because of the hype,but because its a good to play and works. G&G is good,but its not the best deck ever to be played in pokemon,so stop saying Im going to go 0-x at nats or anything else cuz I wont,honestly,if I see you nationals,IM gonna prove it to you.
V_For_Vendetta
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since my other post got deleted and I got a infraction by Prime
I know, I saw what you said and reported your post. Be happy Prime only gave you a minor infraction for it.
Check the Deck Help and Stradegy forum,I have a Lution deck that spreads and does a good job of it. Your making it seem like Leafeon and Glaceon cant be in the same thing just because one spreads and the other one accels energy,and thats a bad thing. Leafeon dosent have to attack,it sits on the bench and accels,its main purpose,just like Typholosion in Magmortar,Blaziken PK in Mag,Vire SW for Vire,they arent the main attacker,just in case attackers.
Fair enough, for some reason it has been sticking in my head that if a pokemon is in a deck it needs to attack :lol:
GOGO CLAYDOL!!!!
You do 60, reduce by 20... Sonic Blade. You try that again, one Prize=KO.
A better strategy (and the only real Viable one) is attack with Leafeon's reduction attack, then KO them with Glaceon's spread attack (60+70=130). and possibly damage the bench. You also now have them power locked.
Seriously, you even pointed out that you give your pokemon 20 additional health, why the heck am I going to try to Psychic Cut a 120-130 HP Pokemon when a good Sonic Blade means that Psychic Cut or Psychic Lock+Strahg is a KO?
GG has the ability to OHKO you, something you do not have for them. Their Power Lock is superior because you cannot get rid of it as long as the keep locking you, whereas a Warp Point/Cyclone Energy/Latilock takes care of your power lock. You are also slower, and your Main attacker does not set you up like Gardevior does. Combined with a more Powerful deck, and the ability to run both Latilock, shutting down your main advantage vs them, means they will easily be more powerful than you.
I am aware of the fact the deck is "good", the problem is the people who are working on the deck in this thread, you and Flygon999, have absolutely no idea what you are doing. This means that the ONLY Eevolution Thread on the gym is going to give people not intelegent enough to ignore you the wrong idea, something of which I am not inclined to stand by and watch. Get your ideas, matchups, and strategies straight, or I'll just keep coming back to correct them and shoot bad ideas down.
I know what you look like, I will be quite happy to find you, introduce myself (you mightrecognize me from regionals two years ago), and show you exactly what GG does to you. And GG is not the best deck ever, that title goes to SneaselKing, and I never said it was. Continue to put words in my mouth, I promise the results will not be pleasant for you.
~`Flygon`~
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1. If its with in the first few turns of the game,either your gonna setup a gallade or gardy,and most of the time people setup gardy just to lock and disrupt,proven fact. If you sonic blade fine,it wouldnt be hard to stall with Glaceon or do 70,you possibly Ko or sonic blade,then 60 for the Ko.
Yea I can shut down your powers if I did the scenario you said,BUT,if you only have Gardys and no Gallade setup,reduction would be better just for the fact you would have to setup a Gallade,meaning I could jut use Espeon PP or Charm and Ko it for a one shot with Boundary or do the same to Gardy. Leafeon or Glaceon arent my only choices in the deck.
I hae no idea what Im doing??? Have you seen the decks posted for those two pokes,sure you have,and we are the only 2 that dont know what their doing?? I know what Im doing,I made a consitant list that works and can win mostly any matchup,only exception is Beedrill since its way faster. G&G if anything would have a better setup since Telepass,but attachments of energy and pokemon wise it would be the same,since they can use DREs,they are all stage 1s,even with a eevee start I can search and setup a espeon umbereon and whatever else on the bench next turn. You have to have a starter,you must search for the candies with either furret or draw into them. I can even attack for energy,attacking wise I can hit quicker than you can.
And the deck isnt supposed to OHKO anything it faces,thats not what the stradegy of the deck is.
Bad ideas????In my deck I dont have Leafeon X and Glaceon X,I use Glaceon X,Im saying they CAN be in the same deck and work,not saying they have to be.
2 years ago??? I started playing in 07 Jan,so its no way you seen me 2 years ago.Lets get that straight now, I have a picture of myself in my profile,remember it and look for me at nationals.Corrwect them by posting a good stradegy since your so good at doing that. Im not putting words into your mouth,so saying its not gonna be pleseant for me is funny,cuz if thats a threat,then really you dont wanna FIGHT,as you wont win that either.
P.S: I could care less that you reported the post,that just shows how much of a coward you are and Prime I could care less about either and u can report that 2.
Good to be back, time to take out the trash....
Right, because your average intelegent person is going to attack with a Garde before they have setup. And because they aren't going to get the Gallade setup with your supporters before you get out the Glaceon, because you are going to have it setup Glaceon T3 even one tenth as often as a GG player sets up a Garde T3. I think this might not be so much your fault for thinking something so idiotic, I blame the people you have been testing with.
You ko them with Espy, they keep their powers, and start setting up another Gallade/Garde, and they wipe you out (everyone is hyping the eevolutions, and they are worth teching for if they are played right. Thus Latilock is going to be everywhere, so your little "no weakness" and "+20 hp" tricks are going nowhere).
Incidently, how exactly are you going to power that Espeon up? Leafeon? That means you need Leafeon Lv X, Glaceon Lv X, and Espeon out in order to pull this off. I can count the number of games you will do that to a good GG deck out of 40 on one hand, AND I'm not even going to use my thumb.
By the way, you need two PP and a Lake Boundry in order to OHKO a Gallade/Garde, aka, 3 seperate trainers. And you are putting your HP boosting pokemon as your active, thus you are sending it to die. Bad decision.
GG bieng able to use candies is a DISADVANTAGE?! You need to evolve an Eevee into a Stage One, then level it up next turn in order to bring it out, I can simply CFF/Call, get them out, and Candy if I have it and setup. They are faster, have more reliable powerlock, and unlike you, they can pull a surprise for out of nowhere (if you evolve an Eevee into a Glaceon, I can kinda figure that Glace Lv X is coming, and use the turn you give me to work against it).
Duh. You cannot OHKO them, they can do that to you if nessesary. More reliable lock, the ability to THKO anyone, more speed, less room and time needed for its main attackers, and has more versetile and effective attacks. The only thing you have on them is... a big attack with Leafeon, and energy accel, meaning you can play beach.
Hurray?
No, they don't have to be in the same deck. Seriously, what does Leafeon do for Glaceon other than provide uneeded energy accel and take up bench space? Glaceon is a good pokemon, Latilock still bieng in the format just hurts it. Leafeon is a ridiculous pokemon, hence why I react when you waste its time with Glaceon, he has so much power, and you put him with... that.
I'm going to leave the post because it has some value, but I am editing out the stupid personal stuff.
~Prime
Right, because your average intelegent person is going to attack with a Garde before they have setup. And because they aren't going to get the Gallade setup with your supporters before you get out the Glaceon, because you are going to have it setup Glaceon T3 even one tenth as often as a GG player sets up a Garde T3. I think this might not be so much your fault for thinking something so idiotic, I blame the people you have been testing with.
You ko them with Espy, they keep their powers, and start setting up another Gallade/Garde, and they wipe you out (everyone is hyping the eevolutions, and they are worth teching for if they are played right. Thus Latilock is going to be everywhere, so your little "no weakness" and "+20 hp" tricks are going nowhere).
Incidently, how exactly are you going to power that Espeon up? Leafeon? That means you need Leafeon Lv X, Glaceon Lv X, and Espeon out in order to pull this off. I can count the number of games you will do that to a good GG deck out of 40 on one hand, AND I'm not even going to use my thumb.
By the way, you need two PP and a Lake Boundry in order to OHKO a Gallade/Garde, aka, 3 seperate trainers. And you are putting your HP boosting pokemon as your active, thus you are sending it to die. Bad decision.
GG bieng able to use candies is a DISADVANTAGE?! You need to evolve an Eevee into a Stage One, then level it up next turn in order to bring it out, I can simply CFF/Call, get them out, and Candy if I have it and setup. They are faster, have more reliable powerlock, and unlike you, they can pull a surprise for out of nowhere (if you evolve an Eevee into a Glaceon, I can kinda figure that Glace Lv X is coming, and use the turn you give me to work against it).
Duh. You cannot OHKO them, they can do that to you if nessesary. More reliable lock, the ability to THKO anyone, more speed, less room and time needed for its main attackers, and has more versetile and effective attacks. The only thing you have on them is... a big attack with Leafeon, and energy accel, meaning you can play beach.
Hurray?
No, they don't have to be in the same deck. Seriously, what does Leafeon do for Glaceon other than provide uneeded energy accel and take up bench space? Glaceon is a good pokemon, Latilock still bieng in the format just hurts it. Leafeon is a ridiculous pokemon, hence why I react when you waste its time with Glaceon, he has so much power, and you put him with... that.
I'm going to leave the post because it has some value, but I am editing out the stupid personal stuff.
~Prime
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~`Flygon`~
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Espeon does 50 with DRE 60 without,how does it need 2 PPs and a Boundary??if it does 60 it OHKOs a Gardy easily.
It needs a PP and Boundary to Ko Gallade when doing 60,do the math correctly please SPARTA,your smarter than that.
When did I say using candy is a DISADVANTAGE<I said you have to SEARCH or DRAW into them if you dont have them in your hand,misunderstanding my words,so please correct that,thanx.
Gardylade pulling out what suprise?? You are either gonna Bring Down-Psy Lock-Psy Cut-Sonic Blade-Latilock either one of those,in Eeveelutions,I would have a more variety of attacks since I wouldnt just use Glaceon or the support,we do have Jolty we do have Vapereon, we do have Flareon,two versions of Glaceon and Leafeon,I would have more tricks since you would know all the lutions in my deck,thats something I know we can agree on.I could even tech in Dusknoir/Crawdunt Ex to kill your full bench from gallade/gardy setups,latilock and claydol.
Yea you can candy into stuff,so what,want a cookie for that??
The people I play with CAN play pokemon and are good at playing pokemon,SPARTA honestly I could care less if you think they are idiotic,thats your opinion,but if you cant beat me or them,then its worthless,yea yea u may be from florida,thats fine,but I dont care where you from,Im making the same offer to you as v for vendetta,COME SEE AT NATIONALS and put your words into actions. Im done since I got another infraction. PM me what you think. Thanx bye
It needs a PP and Boundary to Ko Gallade when doing 60,do the math correctly please SPARTA,your smarter than that.
When did I say using candy is a DISADVANTAGE<I said you have to SEARCH or DRAW into them if you dont have them in your hand,misunderstanding my words,so please correct that,thanx.
Gardylade pulling out what suprise?? You are either gonna Bring Down-Psy Lock-Psy Cut-Sonic Blade-Latilock either one of those,in Eeveelutions,I would have a more variety of attacks since I wouldnt just use Glaceon or the support,we do have Jolty we do have Vapereon, we do have Flareon,two versions of Glaceon and Leafeon,I would have more tricks since you would know all the lutions in my deck,thats something I know we can agree on.I could even tech in Dusknoir/Crawdunt Ex to kill your full bench from gallade/gardy setups,latilock and claydol.
Yea you can candy into stuff,so what,want a cookie for that??
The people I play with CAN play pokemon and are good at playing pokemon,SPARTA honestly I could care less if you think they are idiotic,thats your opinion,but if you cant beat me or them,then its worthless,yea yea u may be from florida,thats fine,but I dont care where you from,Im making the same offer to you as v for vendetta,COME SEE AT NATIONALS and put your words into actions. Im done since I got another infraction. PM me what you think. Thanx bye
V_For_Vendetta
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Sparta says one thing and gets banned til November, whereas you keep talking **** and get... a couple infractions.
I see
That was my fault, the Appr patch I made had the damage set for his attack as 50 instead of 60, and that kinda stuck.
Correct the fact that we can utilize rare candies to bring our monsters out a turn before you? No, YOU correct YOUR mistake about YOU not bieng able to utiliza rare candy to speed yourself up, whereas WE can still evolve from Kirlia if we do not have the rare candies.
Your appology is accepted.
You have 2 good attackers (leaf, glac), 2 decent attackers (umb, esp), and 3 attackers who are almost a complete waste of space against GG(flare, jolt, por). The difference is that my attackers have alot of staying power, since 80 hp means you get in an attack with them, then Gallade cuts you apart (or Garde locks your Esp). You're surprise ability would be impressive if you had attacks that did more than minorly annoy and deal subpar damage (you max out at 90, lets be honest, thats pathetic). You can discard an energy with flar, thats really the only one I can see bieng harmful, since losing half a pokemon's health and a DRE would put me in an awkward situation. Other than that, the healing attack is just a joke, 20 isn't going to do jack to a Bladed Glac/Leaf (which is the only thing that will really be damaged on your bench). Spare me the "I have versitility" speach, your versitility with semi useless attacks is laughable at best.
Sparta went over how to deal with Crawdaunt, go find it and shut up about it.
Yes, chocolate chip. Oh, and a half decent arguement from you for once, if its not too much trouble.
Again, editing out stupid personal stuff...
~Prime
I see
That was my fault, the Appr patch I made had the damage set for his attack as 50 instead of 60, and that kinda stuck.
Correct the fact that we can utilize rare candies to bring our monsters out a turn before you? No, YOU correct YOUR mistake about YOU not bieng able to utiliza rare candy to speed yourself up, whereas WE can still evolve from Kirlia if we do not have the rare candies.
Your appology is accepted.
You have 2 good attackers (leaf, glac), 2 decent attackers (umb, esp), and 3 attackers who are almost a complete waste of space against GG(flare, jolt, por). The difference is that my attackers have alot of staying power, since 80 hp means you get in an attack with them, then Gallade cuts you apart (or Garde locks your Esp). You're surprise ability would be impressive if you had attacks that did more than minorly annoy and deal subpar damage (you max out at 90, lets be honest, thats pathetic). You can discard an energy with flar, thats really the only one I can see bieng harmful, since losing half a pokemon's health and a DRE would put me in an awkward situation. Other than that, the healing attack is just a joke, 20 isn't going to do jack to a Bladed Glac/Leaf (which is the only thing that will really be damaged on your bench). Spare me the "I have versitility" speach, your versitility with semi useless attacks is laughable at best.
Sparta went over how to deal with Crawdaunt, go find it and shut up about it.
Yes, chocolate chip. Oh, and a half decent arguement from you for once, if its not too much trouble.
Again, editing out stupid personal stuff...
~Prime
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Glaceon X x1
Glaceon x2
Espeon x1
Umbreon x1
Jolteon x1
Eevee x4
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