Wizards files lawsuit against Pokemon USA/TPC/Nintendo

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  1. Dek

    Dek New Member

    dude, please dont be going off topic or spam. It is very inconsiderate to the people that have posted on this topic. This is a very important situation we are going through, and we dont need spam from anyone. Although Nintendo of America is in Redmond, Washington, its location has nothing to do with this topic. Please dont do this again.
  2. )v(ajin_ipg21

    )v(ajin_ipg21 New Member

    Uh excuse you Artha Zero.

    BUt you must be a happy Wintel user.

    That is a pretty bad attitude you have there. This is a game and now there is a lawsuit involving the Big Boys.

    You want the game to continue? They have in Europe with SOME very limited support.
    We still have support.

    babayaga IMO made a HUMOROUS point *can you tell I agree *d'oh*...

    *Some people just don't get sarcasm nor irony*

    So chill please...
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  3. Dek

    Dek New Member

    Sorry...I just dont like stuff going off topic at times...
    ::realzises what he's doing::
    um...Let the topic continue *ZIP*
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  4. TheDancingPeanut

    TheDancingPeanut New Member

    This isn't off topic at all. Off topic is when you start talking about your grandma's brownie recipie
  5. Dek

    Dek New Member

    in THAT case...no, just kidding :lol:

    Here are a few questions Im wondering about:

    1. If Wizards DOES win the case, what will become of the Eon format?
    2. Didn't the Pokemon TCG originate in Japan? If so, why is Wizards assuming that NoJ took game mechanics from MTG?
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  6. Orange Soda

    Orange Soda New Member

    Pokemon is and always will be Nintendo property. Shouldn't change a thing.

    Perhaps it was an international patent? I don't know, really, but there are similar mechanics (drawing, playing monsters, hands, magic/trainer cards, etc).

    Maybe someone who is more familiar with patent laws can chime in.
  7. yoshi1001

    yoshi1001 New Member

    "Perhaps it was an international patent? I don't know, really, but there are similar mechanics (drawing, playing monsters, hands, magic/trainer cards, etc)."

    As I recall, a patent has to be applied for in each country you want to have one in.
  8. pokeprofRaymond

    pokeprofRaymond New Member

    I hope the big boys could settle this issue like matured adults and professionals and let things go back to normalcy.

    OP and other things will still move on like ipg implied, Internationally and in the U.S.

    .....will it? :confused:
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  9. )v(ajin_ipg21

    )v(ajin_ipg21 New Member

    I believe it will.

    This is something that WotC must have felt WAS left undone.

    *Arthas... apologies if I was a tad rough but don't worry. WE MODS are really not looking to be INCREDIBLY STRICT as we were on the PokeGym with WotC. WE REALLY did need to keep a tight ship there.

    OUR Goal here is to have KEPT the community together in cyberspace. *We are happy* and as long as you guys & gals keep coming back we are happier.

    SO a small dose of off-topicness is welcome...

    Just look around... nothing spammish, friendly banter.
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  10. cattdreams

    cattdreams New Member

    While I honestly dont think there is any point in us babbling over this topic in such great lack of detail and that the end result which will take awhile, most likely wont really have any effect on us. here is some info for those wondering exactly what was patented.

    WotC Patents
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  11. Red5bv06

    Red5bv06 <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    (Shorten the link please....edit: thanks)

    I find this discussion all very interesting.
    I wonder why they were all so eager to say "this is a friendly parting" when obviously it wasn't. Good business?
    And I'll agree, it'll prob. be settled out of court. WOTC is flexing its muscles cause it thinks it has a good case, but no one can beat the big N.
    Wisdom Tree comes close, it is still making unliscened NES games to this day. Nintendo doesn't mess with God. :D
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  12. ukpokemonpro

    ukpokemonpro New Member

    The last time wotc started waving their patent around a whole lot of CCGs disappeared due to their inability to pay the royalties.

    Now Pokemon as has been said has similar mechanics to MtG not as in Yu Gi Oh's case identicle. It is more likely that WotC are after NOA and PUSA over NDAs than patents.

    They may try it again but they didn't win all the patent battles last time round ...

    This is more about mudslinging and FUD as NoPoke says than anything I mean hey look we're all jittery here...

    Now the game will not stop, the cards will still exist and the whole world will still turn so get out there and play, buy and promote because that's what will save the game more than anything else.

    This is just Business ... hats off to WotC for pulling a fast one but in the end this will probably be settled out of court no one wins big and FUD increases...
  13. Guys...

    Bottomline here is that it is never easy to settle something that deals with money. There will always be disputes and arguments, so all we can really do is watch and hopefully this issue can be settled out of court peacefully with both parties coming to terms on the matter.
    Business is a risky place to fall into....alot of sneaky things happen and this is just an example of it.

    :nonono:See ya:nonono:
  14. meganium45

    meganium45 Active Member

    You also have to realize that big suits cost big money. In the battle of who has more money for their lawyers, well, it is easy to see who wins that battle!

    Most likely neither side will want to spend millions in legal fees (awww, come on, gotta feed the lawyers) and will work out something.

    If Ninetendo wants to make a point, they will throw money at this and see how WOTC can keep up. It will really become interesting to see this go to a full blown suit. These are the kind of suits that can sink a small company if they lose - or cause a small division of a large company to disappear.

    Watch, listen, learn. But realize, it will not effect the game right now....too much is already in the works.

  15. SaNdy-MaN

    SaNdy-MaN New Member

    What are you saying MetaGross.What can we do that will make a real difference.
  16. babayaga

    babayaga New Member

    The whole thing might just be a FUD campaign (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt--a tactic IBM originally employed, which was Embraced and Extended by Microsoft). I'd refer you to the SCO vs. IBM case which is currently ongoing. {Don't worry, this'll swing back to Topic!} In the SCO case, SCO starts making a lot of noise about IBM distributing Unix code which they claim has some of SCO's proprietary bits in it. This taints Linux as SCO brings the integrity of Linux code into question. Whilst IBM mobilizes the Big Guns (and Red Hat readies its own artillery), companies who have been planning a Switch start putting their plans on hold to wait and see what happens (and MS salivates, having donated $6m to SCO's legal fund*). What's really going on behind the scenes, is SCO doesn't have a leg to stand on, and they're on the verge of bankruptcy. They're trying to get the stock pumped up so their execs can dump it high. They're also trying to scare license fees out of Linux/IBM Unix using corporations. Extortion has become their business model.

    I present this as the worst-case scenario. Luckily for us, the situation we're talking about here isn't so bad.

    So here with WotC and NOA, we have again a Goliath being threatened by a smaller company that claims intellectual property violation. First of all, this isn't a suit about issues of card game mechanics, it's about personnel. I don't really see any company that would play Rich Uncle to WotC in this venture, unless Hasbro is truly "in for a penny, in for a pound" on this. I can't see NOA changing anything it's doing in response to the suit, just like IBM hasn't changed their practices. I don't see WotC as a company that will move to a licensing model of business (Magic is still very sucessful). I do see this as a chastisement for what WotC might see as steamrollerish practices by a much larger company which tied its hands in many ways during the contract.

    I don't think we need to take sides. I don't think we need to worry, because the game's not going away. What might happen, if NOA is shown to have benefited from proprietary information and WotC is shown to have losses, is that NOA will have to pay damages. So, let's sit back and see what happens, shall we? And if we get too bored, we can also check out the latest SCO news--and see how not to run a lawsuit-in-progress. (i.e. Don't lie, exaggerate, and generally shoot yourself in the foot.)


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  17. bulbasnore

    bulbasnore Administrator Staff Member Trader Feedback Mod

    IT MAY help clear up WHETHER they wanted to retain the license...that could come out in the testimony.
  18. bulbasnore

    bulbasnore Administrator Staff Member Trader Feedback Mod

    Hairy 'poster is cancelled? You mean that game that WOTC/Gamekreeper pushed PKMN leagues out of their stores to make room for a couple Januarys ago?
  19. Tego

    Tego New Member

    Haha, the Harry Potter TCG was their biggest flop ever. The Harry Potter Leagues were supposed to be that big and important, but attendance wasn't exactly overwhelming. No wonder, the game was like an extremely boring kiddie version of Magic. "My first Magic", dropping every win condition other than decking out!
  20. ShadowCard

    ShadowCard Active Member

    the Harry Potter TCg was a good one with a somewhat unique idea, to deck out the opponent as the primary way to win.
    I heard it failed do to lack of support from WOTC. It was popular for the 1st 5 minutes it was out but they didn't organizer leagues very well and support diee. they definately made a mistake not getting the leagues together.
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