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Worlds '05 Biggest Waste of Time :: Top 8 for 15+ Grinders only made it to Big Event

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SuperWooper said:
If saying that only the undefeated players (which is what's been said earlier in the thread) deserve a spot at Worlds is the position POP takes on this, it can only turn ugly. Bad move.
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PUI is not saying that only the undefeated players get into Worlds. What they have said it was posted on their website that the Top 8 would be enterend into Worlds, and that is what they did. They have a limited amount of space, would you like to tell some of the 10 and Under players they can't play, and their age group has to be made small just so more 15+ could play.


Also look at it is as they had made space for 144 players in each age group, we had 148 registered for Worlds with all of the international players, and then they added the other Top 8 players from the Grinder.

Maybe the Grinder for the 15 and Up should be renamed the Last Chance Whiner Tournament :frown: :tongue:
 
Hee Hee!!! Good one GLB!!!!! Yeah i have to admit, I don't miss the Whiners and i'm sure everyone is having a great time Witnessing all the hot, nubile..... legal stall action.....


Personally, i think it's GREAT all the lil kids made it in. i'm rooting for my friend Kyle in the 11-14!!
 
If I was TO for a tournament with 252 players and I only ran 5 rounds of swiss, I bet PUI would say something to me for not running the 8 rounds required by their own rules. I see what they were doing, but one bad starting hand and you are out. Seems like they should have done the 8 rounds and then cut to the top 8. Sounds more logical to me. :confused:
 
My son and I showed up for the Grinder. Charlie is 8 and of course he got in to Worlds (Thank you!), and I am so VERY over 15 and of course I didn't (Thank you for all the GREAT side event action!).

There were 42 10 and unders. All of the 10 and unders got in because so many invite winners had parents that a) couldn't get time off work for a "kid's game", b) couldn't afford the costs of passports, food, and incidentals, or c) had other pre-existing commitments for their families. 8 spots PLUS all invitees who fail to check in by 7pm.

There were 252 15 and overs. All (or most) of the 15 and over invite winners showed up because they have been playing longer and know the value of a World's invite. There were not the extra spaces available to add to the 8 promised spots. PUI did everything they promised. Why are you complaining?

We had and absolutely GREAT time at the Worlds, Grinder, and Side Events included. We both appreciate everything that was provided us and gratefully thank Nintendo, PUI, all of the staff, volunteers, judges...Thanks to EVERYONE for EVERYTHING!
 
The event was great even though the LCQ was rough. Going 5-0 doesn't mean you're the cream of the crop, it means you got the best pairings and consistent draws :(. Maybe i'm just bitter cause i went 4-0 then dropped the ball in the 5th round though. I know its asking alot from a team that has already given so much, but from a players standpoint you kinda wanna know as much information as you possibly can instead of walking into things blindly. Maybe an earlier start time and more rounds to get a more clear cut top 8 if there will only be 8 people grinding in? Having to go undefeated is a ridiculously difficult task, like seena said, it was definitely the hardest worlds qualifying event this season.
 
I told Schimmer himself my thoughts, and I'll skip away from the waste of time I think that tournament was. I talked to a few cardshop owners that have sold and played games for at least a dozen years and they were shocked at what went down.

I do hope POP realizes there main income comes from the 15+ and then 10- and 11-14 is alot of the time a baby sitting tool for parents. A bigger room I think was called for, knowing that there would be loads of players coming. The grinder should have started way earlier, giving a correct number of rounds for the people alloted, and 10% of the 15+ would have been appropriate to let in. The announcement of what kind of record you needed should have been announced long before the fifth round. I don't know about some of the other players, but I went to the grinder to play for the win, not to say afterwards after not getting in, "Oh well, time for side events" You can run side events for insignificant prizes any day. All available space should have gone towards the main event.

If you guys need counseling on how to make you tournaments better you know my email.

~Stripes
 
Stripes said:
I do hope POP realizes there main income comes from the 15+
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According to what? Its old information, but last I checked, it's the legions of small children getting a pack or two a week that earn the bulk of the revenue (more accurately the stores that sell to such kids, but I digress). For every hard core player buying 1-5 boxes, there's probably close to 100 kids buying those packs. These are crude approximations off the top of my head, so pardon me if the numbers don't quite match up. ;)

Look at Digimon. It won't stay dead! I know the first crop of it had like no OP or rulings etc. It survived not because a friend of mine would buy a box, but because all the little kids were cleaning out three boxes worth of packs with their small, repeat purchases. Remember, a lot of kids collect Pokemon, even if they don't play.
 
"If you guys need counseling on how to make you tournaments better you know my email"?! You have GOT to be kidding me: eight spaces were ALL that were advertised as available in each age group in the grinder; any more _depended upon space available_ in the main tourney due to no-shows, etc.

Seats available in the main tourney was NEVER dependent on _how many players_ showed up in each age group's grinder!

So what should we have done? Run a 'correct' tournament with a cut and single elim rounds till midnight or later, and then require the judges and other staff to show up at 7 am to get the _main_ event going? Exhaust your staff and judges working in the last chance tourney rather than the real thing? How much sense does that make?

Start the grinder 'earlier'? Do you have any idea how many players showed up at the last minute expecting to get in when completely unprepared? I saw players walk in at _5 pm_, when the tourney was supposed to START, and pull out their deck and _start_ filling out their decklist! And guess what: those were NOT players from the two younger age groups...:rolleyes:

There were eight "prizes" available. You knew that going IN to this and decided to play anyway; there was NEVER a guarantee more than eight players were going to be seated in ANY of the age groups!

'mom
 
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The one time I do well and I can't even get in. I had an awesome deck that I had been working on for more than two months, and one stupid match screwed it all up. I played against Gardy and I played against Metagross, and won both, even though I am weak to them! 6 prizes to zero in my favor in both games, and boy did I have to fight to win those games! On the one match I lost, my opening hand: Meditite and 6 trainers. No energy until turn 3. Yes, I did not shuffle it well, which had been my problem the entire season, but now I guess I know how I can really do if I shuffle better. Guess it was my fault for not shuffling well enough, but there should had at least been more rounds to give a better result of who really deserved to be in top 8. I don't know the circumstances for why they chose to only do 8 people, but when they announced that, my heart just about dropped to the floor. I think something else could had been done, but I dunno. Guess I will just have to win an invite this year incase something else happens like this again (and shuffle better, can't forget to shuffle better).
 
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Start the grinder 'earlier'? Do you have any idea how many players showed up at the last minute expecting to get in when completely unprepared? I saw players walk in at _5 pm_, when the tourney was supposed to START, and pull out their deck and _start_ filling out their decklist! And guess what: those were NOT players from the two younger age groups...:rolleyes:
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Shouldn't let those people play. If they aren't allowed to play they'll sure make it to the next event in time.
Start the event next time earlier is what I think.
 
those of you who are complaning that you "didn't get in" because it wasn't run "correctly", are quite frankly the people that are wasting time. I came and played and do you wanna know what my record was 0-5 not because i stink but because life happens get over it. because I lost to my first opponent because of a mistake is my bad. but my next opponent just plain won. so the final round i decided to forfit to a no-show. I came thinking there might be a chance but if not so what. there are tons of side events avalible. so to the players that are complaining :p:p:p:p:p
 
POP and PUI gave exactly what they advetised. My "complaints" come from the fact that they "knew" early enought that all the 10- made it, told the 11-14 how many would make it at 8-ish, but waited until the start of the 5th round (almost 9 pm by the way) to tell the 15+ that "only" the undefeateds would make it. (There was an outside chance for 1 4-1, but the odd numbered unbeaten matched ag'st a 3-1 won, so, 8 5-0's) Alot of the grinder crowd was parents &/or friends of those with invites. They had the yellow wristbands to be able to attend the diner reception. the reception ended at 9 PM. See why I say they could have announced after round 4, here is what we know. All those with a loss could have "dropped" and gotten a bite to eat and join their families and friends. Yes, we CHOSE to try the Grinder, but several of us knew that some foriegn 15+s didnt use their invites. There was a thread here that listed Gym names of those not using invites. Even with the aging up, there could have been a few more seats added. Grinder had 252, 4 short of the cap of 256. Worlds had 140+. There would still have been 8 rds whether your let 8 in or even 16. I thought going in it would only be possibly 12-16, but certainly not just the top 8 "as advertised". That was what was advertised last year and a bigger number got in then (32 right??)

Bottom line, we had a GREAT TIME.....THX POP and PUI! It was a great environment to be in. My son loved competing in Worlds. Just my 2 cents worth.

Keith
 
Well, I seem to be hearing a lot of people upset that they traveled and did not get in but you all have to remember that if anyone could get in then it just wouldn’t be the same, the dream is to compete in worlds, to get the chance to play people from all over the world. The way I see it, it’s an honor, not a right to get an invite and play at worlds. Yes 15+ spends a lot of the money on cards but that does not mean you should get an auto invite. The other thing I noticed was that the room we where playing in was packed already there was not any space to sit down let alone put more tables. I had a great time at worlds, I worked hard for my invite and don’t want to sound like a jerk, I was just having a discussion with someone on the way to the airport today about how they thought it was unfair. A good friend of mine in the 11-14 was only one draw away from getting in through the grinder and missed out. But I have no doubt that he will be back, fighting for the honor of competing at worlds again next year. Just like I hope you all are, I like the challenge:thumb:
 
What some people seem to be missing is the fact that none of the people complaining want an auto-invite. We just believe that it was run unfairly. Here is what I think: Only 8 spots is fine. That is all they had room for and that is what was advertised. No problem there. The problem was only having 5 rounds with 252 people. As most already know, this would require you to go 5-0 or a very high resistance 4-1 (slim chance of this though, and of course it didn't happen) in order to get into Worlds. Because of this, the Grinder was almost total luck. One bad matchup and you are gone; same goes for bad hands. Running the correct number of rounds (which I believe would have been 8) would have balanced this luck factor out a little bit more and allowed the better players to come out.
 
you guys are such whiners.

maybe that is why you guys didn't make top 8.

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I totally agree with Lawman and Whicker. They knew the whole time what was going to happen - that only 8 people would make it in. They could had told us a lot earlier so that we could possibly go home or to our hotels and gotten more sleep. Five rounds was also just not enough to determine if someone was good enough to attend Worlds. Eight would had been MUCH better and would had done better filtering of people.

Gee, wonder what they would had done had a lot more people had shown up and registered for Worlds. I just don't think POP planned this out too well. Hopefully next year, there will be more rounds and the place Worlds is at will be a lot larger to fit everyone (there were so many people that I fell down once, got my foot stepped on once, and had my sandal's straps broken from someone doing something to my sandal when they walked by me). It was like someone let out all of the animals from the zoo, lol. :p

It was still a great experience, and I appreciate POP giving us a Worlds. I loved all of the side events and everything else, but I was just dissapointed with how the Grinders went. Even if I were to have made it in, I probably would not feel like I really deserved to make it in. Other people who got into Worlds had to play 10+ rounds at other events to get their invites. Five in the Grinders was just not enough to determine if someone was worthy enough.
 
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Btw....sort of off topic...but how many players in Worlds 15+ that won invites went undefeated to get that seat??? I mean, not one single flub up, bad start or horrible match up?? At least with those that won a invite beforehand, they could (usually) afford 1 or even 2 hiccups...but not in the grinder. Every seat is worth the same...a chance to compete! The others also had elimination rounds to go through with 2/3 1 hr match ups. Again, I know POP didnt want to exhaust the Judges before the "main event", but just a few extra points I felt needed to be made. Again, I went there 1st as a proud parent, 1nd as a player. But, that was my 1 and only chance to get to Worlds. I JUDGED all the other events I took my son to that had Worlds invites on the line. It was great to see and judge the 15+ play in the Eastern Regional. Wouldn't trade the experience for playing at all. t was an honor to be asked by Feraligatr and Sensei to Judge for them (and would do so again in a heartbeat!!) I think a few more rds would ahve been a bit more fair though IMHO. You can still get a good Top 8 or even top 16 cut with 7 rds.

Keith
 
Stripes said:
Shouldn't let those people play. If they aren't allowed to play they'll sure make it to the next event in time.
Start the event next time earlier is what I think.
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Sure, we'll do that so that all of the people flying in from around the country, and WORLD do not have the opportunity to play. That'd be great wouldn't it? If you had a lot less opposition? Did you even CONSIDER that?

As for the "if you want to learn how to run a tournament" comment, I'll pass. I think your comments in this thread make it pretty clear where your priorites lie, and what kind of program you would run.

Sour grapes folks. I like you Stripes, I'm sorry you're upset, and I'm sorry you didn't get in, but guess what? You got exactly what was advertised. We even found space to take our 15+ and 11-14 groups OVER the maximum we had accomodated. So, you can tell little Curran and Geoffry that they can't play next year because your group is more important.

Prof. Dav
 
Good points from the above. I myself am just giving a honest opinion, so that next years grinder can be better. Its not that anyone here is whining, just giving some advise that should go under serious consideration.
 
Professor Dav said:
Sure, we'll do that so that all of the people flying in from around the country, and WORLD do not have the opportunity to play. That'd be great wouldn't it? If you had a lot less opposition? Did you even CONSIDER that?

As for the "if you want to learn how to run a tournament" comment, I'll pass. I think your comments in this thread make it pretty clear where your priorites lie, and what kind of program you would run.

Sour grapes folks. I like you Stripes, I'm sorry you're upset, and I'm sorry you didn't get in, but guess what? You got exactly what was advertised. We even found space to take our 15+ and 11-14 groups OVER the maximum we had accomodated. So, you can tell little Curran and Geoffry that they can't play next year because your group is more important.

Prof. Dav
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No no no! You and mom misunderstand me, I'm serious when I say if you need help email me. That is in my friendliest kind of gesture. After I read it I realized I said it in the wrong way but I mean it in a very good way. I'm just trying to help out by throwing ideas out. Some are bad I realize but some are really good.

BTW sorry for the double post,but I don't want to be misunderstood.
 
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