You know what really grinds my gears?

[toxictaipan]

Cutting and Shuffling isn't about not trusting your opponents. It's also a little about the risk of not cutting in case you were playing against a stacker. That's why you should always cut or shuffle imo. Also, it helps randomize your opponents deck a little more. If you feel they didn't shuffle enough, then fix the problem so they don't draw into machop-machoke-machamp-fighting-BTS everytime.

Not seeing the difference here.

 

[Happiny13]

Not seeing the difference here.

Me either. :/ I just mean that it shouldn't be taken as an offense or as an insult. It should just be a normal thing because there are people like that.

 

[Forte]

cut or shuffle but do it fast please

 

[XYZ_Sniper]

Do you know what really grinds my gears?

So you can take your KLINKLANG remarks and place them up (you know where)

This stuff on a pokemon related topic.

 

[CFOURCOLTSFAN]

Honestly i do take your points but this isn't really a problem, if it's taking someone like 3 minutes to shuffle/cut/whatever someone's deck its problem but if it doesn't slow the game down i don't see why not do whatever superstitious/stop cheater cut you want. I guess the only one i have a REAL problem w/ is the numbered cuts, but that's only b/c its against the rules, although i do always find the people who cut one card to be lol.
also pretty harsh to Klinklang, no one takes a joke anymore and tbh klinklang is a bit too big for "up there" and this a pokemon website...sheesh.

 

[Box of Fail]

I totally agree with you! Those damn Pokémon players. When one of my friends cuts my deck (get this) TWICE, oh my god, I get TOTALLY PO'D! HOW DARE HE CUT MY DECK TWICE?!

And it doesn't even stop there! Sometimes he cuts to the QUARTER, not the half! What nerve! I can just picture the big fat smirk on his face as he does it! It's like giving me the finger! He should show some respect; EVERYBODY knows that is one of the most rude things you can do! When my friend doesn't cut my deck in half, I can just see him wishing I'd shrivel up and die!

Everyone should cut decks the same way! I mean, if you know I'm not a cheater, then why are you still cutting my deck like that?!?!?!?! If we all cut to the middle, cheaters wouldn't start stacking good cards in the middle of their deck! And cutting someone's deck in a different way is like telling someone you don't like them, but that's okay because we can tell if someone's a cheater by looking at them!!

GOSH guys, WHERE is your RESPECT?!?!

 

[amphy#1]

Honestly i do take your points but this isn't really a problem, if it's taking someone like 3 minutes to shuffle/cut/whatever someone's deck its problem but if it doesn't slow the game down i don't see why not do whatever superstitious/stop cheater cut you want. I guess the only one i have a REAL problem w/ is the numbered cuts, but that's only b/c its against the rules, although i do always find the people who cut one card to be lol.
also pretty harsh to Klinklang, no one takes a joke anymore and tbh klinklang is a bit too big for "up there" and this a pokemon website...sheesh.

I know, it's not a problem. It's just something I had on my mind and wanted to share a bit of it. Its not really cuts, or shuffles I'm worried about. Sometimes it just grids my gears a little bit you know. :lol: We're entitled to feel a little bothered by it aren't we? Sure, they do get in my head sometimes with their cutting/shuffling, and I don't like it. So I do it to them to. The thing is that I don't like to feel like that. It doesn't happen a lot, but when it does it feels terrible.

Actually, that Klinklang remark by me was a joke. :lol: It is too big. But, it can be forced up there if you know what I mean. :lol:

 

[ProfessorJacob7]

So I somehow managed to read this entire thread without closing the tab and going back to watching DBZ episodes, and here's what I'm hearing from amphy:

He thinks it can be disrespectful to cut.

Then it seems like he is changing everything that he is saying, depending on how someone reacts to one of his posts.

Mildly racist/inappropriate comments.

He doesn't like crazy off the wall cuts.

I've seen people cut in all sorts of ways, but I've never seen anybody show any sign of being upset at the way their deck was cut.

I want you to go into a bit more depth on the last one please. You state that you don't like specifically numbered cuts, pile shuffles (if someone were to pile shuffle your deck in the middle of the game, it's obviously stalling and should be acted on right away, BTW) and crazy off the wall cuts. I feel like you are being very vague when you say crazy off the wall cuts, especially since you separate that from pile shuffling and numbered cuts. Please explain to me a few examples of crazy off the wall cuts, because it's very difficult to find any amount of validity in this complaint of yours. Also it wouldn't hurt if you used proper spelling and grammar, just to show that much more intelligence behind your words. (v^-^)b

 

[amphy#1]

I totally agree with you! Those damn Pokémon players. When one of my friends cuts my deck (get this) TWICE, oh my god, I get TOTALLY PO'D! HOW DARE HE CUT MY DECK TWICE?!

Now I do get PO'ed when they do that. That is just disrespectful.

And it doesn't even stop there! Sometimes he cuts to the QUARTER, not the half! What nerve! I can just picture the big fat smirk on his face as he does it! It's like giving me the finger! He should show some respect; EVERYBODY knows that is one of the most rude things you can do! When my friend doesn't cut my deck in half, I can just see him wishing I'd shrivel up and die!

I do get annoyed by it sometimes, but it's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Then do their deck the same way. That will teach them. :lol:

Everyone should cut decks the same way! I mean, if you know I'm not a cheater, then why are you still cutting my deck like that?!?!?!?! If we all cut to the middle, cheaters wouldn't start stacking good cards in the middle of their deck! And cutting someone's deck in a different way is like telling someone you don't like them, but that's okay because we can tell if someone's a cheater by looking at them!!

I feel the same way(if you know I'm not a cheater). Now I don't agree with only cutting in the middle though. Because there is a shuffle that players use to shuffle their deck that places their good cards in the middle. There's nothing wrong with that shuffle. It's perfectly legal and just about everyone does that. That was the first shuffle I learned how to do actually. So, cutting it in another place is a good Idea. I just don't like it when they look at me weird though.

GOSH guys, WHERE is your RESPECT?!?!

Comments in bold. I hope they find there respect soon, or this game will go to the dogs.

 

[Amt]

lol gg kevin

8787

 

[amphy#1]

So I somehow managed to read this entire thread without closing the tab and going back to watching DBZ episodes, and here's what I'm hearing from amphy:

He thinks it can be disrespectful to cut.

Some cuts ARE disrespectful.

Then it seems like he is changing everything that he is saying, depending on how someone reacts to one of his posts.

Actually, I change what I say, because they say what I've been trying to say but better. I'm not perfect you know.

Mildly racist/inappropriate comments.

My specialty. :biggrin: I think they're pretty funny don't you? :lol:

He doesn't like crazy off the wall cuts.

I sure don't.

I've seen people cut in all sorts of ways, but I've never seen anybody show any sign of being upset at the way their deck was cut.

I have.

I want you to go into a bit more depth on the last one please. You state that you don't like specifically numbered cuts, pile shuffles (if someone were to pile shuffle your deck in the middle of the game, it's obviously stalling and should be acted on right away, BTW) and crazy off the wall cuts. I feel like you are being very vague when you say crazy off the wall cuts, especially since you separate that from pile shuffling and numbered cuts. Please explain to me a few examples of crazy off the wall cuts, because it's very difficult to find any amount of validity in this complaint of yours. Also it wouldn't hurt if you used proper spelling and grammar, just to show that much more intelligence behind your words. (v^-^)b

I've seen them cut the deck in multiple sections. I've seen them literally shuffle my deck like poker cards. I've seen them ram my sleeves together so hard, that they're on the verge of breaking. I've seen them break my sleeves!! I've seen them shuffle so fast, that they spill some of my cards everywhere, and then put them backwards in my deck. Is that enough crazy off the wall stuff for ya?

comments in bold.

 

[z-man]

Shuffling like a poker deck? You mean riffle shuffling? That is pretty common place in my world. Cut the deck in multiple sections (multicuts) ensures randomness. Now then, if people damage your sleeves, tell them not to. Tell them to go easy on your sleeves. They'll probably listen >.< As far as spilling, everyone makes mistakes. They do what they are supposed to and put the cards back in deck. If they are backwards, when you search the next time, order the cards so that the top of the cards all face one way. Plain and simple. Your examples show no disrespect or unfair gains. Try again, sir. Also lol Kevin.

 

[toxictaipan]

You're still being too vague. You need to give us some examples of how a cut can be disrespectful. What is a, "crazy, off-the-wall cut," in your opinion?

If people are damaging your belongings, it's perfectly understandable for you not to enjoy that. Kindly ask your opponent to take care of your property. However, this thread started out with no implication that this was your main concern, so it's kind of irrelevant. If that's what this is all about, then this topic was very, very poorly executed.

 

[ShuckleLVX]

I think he's upset about a cut I see happen all the time at the events I attend. The player will get up, place the deck against the back wall of the venue, and then proceed to cut the deck. These off-the-wall cuts are extremely disrespectful, not only to the players, but to the smoothness of the event, and action must be taken!

/lol

 

[amphy#1]

Shuffling like a poker deck? You mean riffle shuffling? That is pretty common place in my world. Cut the deck in multiple sections (multicuts) ensures randomness. Now then, if people damage your sleeves, tell them not to. Tell them to go easy on your sleeves. They'll probably listen >.< As far as spilling, everyone makes mistakes. They do what they are supposed to and put the cards back in deck. If they are backwards, when you search the next time, order the cards so that the top of the cards all face one way. Plain and simple. Your examples show no disrespect or unfair gains. Try again, sir. Also lol Kevin.

Fist off, Pokemon cards are not designed to be shuffled like poker cards. So excuse me if I want to protect my cards for being all bent out of shape. Secondly, when you cut a deck there should only be a top and a bottom part. Anything else should be considered a shuffle and should be done like a shuffle. I do tell them not to. Sometimes it's too late to stop them. They shouldn't be spilling my cards in the first place. If they take their time to shuffle properly, instead of shuffling like a mad man, that wouldn't happen. Plus, The tournament hosts gives us plenty of time to do so, so whats the rush? Also, when I shuffle the deck myself (do to a card effect during the game), I almost ruin my own cards because they're backwards. I don't appreciate having to fix something that shouldn't happen in the first place. I'm sorry, but that is disrespectful in my book. Was that good enough for you? Did I explain it enough for you, or do I have to dumb it down even further for you?

---------- Post added 05/27/2011 at 08:23 PM ----------

I think he's upset about a cut I see happen all the time at the events I attend. The player will get up, place the deck against the back wall of the venue, and then proceed to cut the deck. These off-the-wall cuts are extremely disrespectful, not only to the players, but to the smoothness of the event, and action must be taken!

/lol

Very funny ShuckleLVX, yuck it up why don'tcha. Really? I would actually like to see that happen. OMG!! It's the ultimate cut!! Amphy#1's off the wall cut!! (then does ginu force pose) :lol: This cut will guarantee that you'll lose!! MU HU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! :lol:

 

[z-man]

According to the rules, after you shuffle, you may offer your opponent your deck. They can either shuffle or cut. If they shuffle, you are allowed to cut your own deck (and that is the end of it). I see no problems with riffle shuffling... I riffle shuffle, and my cards are perfectly straight. If somebody constantly spills cards all over, they probably shouldn't be playing the game. Such errors should be dealt with... by punishment of learning how to shuffle. >:[ If it is occasional, give it a pass. They wouldn't take the shuffle if they were bad at it, most likely.

Disrespect is intentional. When somebody makes your cards not all have the tops face the same way, it is most likely an accident (probably from bad riffling). That isn't disrespectful by any means. It happens because people are bad at doing riffles. A good shuffle will not make this happen. Moreover, your complaint about having to fix something "that shouldn't happen in the first place" is just dumb. Do you complain about cleaning your clothes after having somebody spill something on it? I would certainly hope not. Same basic thing here. An easy mistake can ruin your day, but you just live with it and move on. These mistakes would probably be lessened by slowing down, but that disrupts the flow of the game (we only get 30 minutes... that isn't a lot of time D.


Also, you are trying to make a point about disrespect, but what was that about you having to "dumb down" your argument? The fact that the majority of the posters (and the sarcasm coming from Kevin) oppose you means that I'm not in the minority on this "issue". Your arguments have been faulty and vague. Your "dumbing down" of the argument is actually clarification of your argument. Just calm down and make a logical argument. It is clear that people aren't taking you seriously (look at ShuckleLVX and BoxOfFail/Kevin ;P). Perhaps try responding to the other posts as well... I'm not the only one making a point here. A good argument would be a youtube video showing EXACTLY what you don't like.

 

[Amt]

honestly there's no point discussing/arguing this. The OP has his mind made up on what's 'right', and he's the only one it seems like that has a huge issue with players cutting his deck.

 

[amphy#1]

According to the rules, after you shuffle, you may offer your opponent your deck. They can either shuffle or cut. If they shuffle, you are allowed to cut your own deck (and that is the end of it). I see no problems with riffle shuffling... I riffle shuffle, and my cards are perfectly straight. If somebody constantly spills cards all over, they probably shouldn't be playing the game. Such errors should be dealt with... by punishment of learning how to shuffle. >:[ If it is occasional, give it a pass. They wouldn't take the shuffle if they were bad at it, most likely.

You must have some magic cards then, because that kind of shuffle ruins my cards. doing it with sleeves is even worse!! I'm tired of buying new sleeves every time someone makes a petty mistake.

Disrespect is intentional. When somebody makes your cards not all have the tops face the same way, it is most likely an accident (probably from bad riffling). That isn't disrespectful by any means. It happens because people are bad at doing riffles. A good shuffle will not make this happen. Moreover, your complaint about having to fix something "that shouldn't happen in the first place" is just dumb. Do you complain about cleaning your clothes after having somebody spill something on it? I would certainly hope not. Same basic thing here. An easy mistake can ruin your day, but you just live with it and move on. These mistakes would probably be lessened by slowing down, but that disrupts the flow of the game (we only get 30 minutes... that isn't a lot of time D.

Yeah, if they're doing my cards like that, I tell them to do it another way, because they can't do it right. It is disrespectful, because they think that they're doing it right and messing up my cards at the same time. Yeah they are bad. It's dumb? really? :nonono: When I scratch my sleeves against each other and find out that they're backwards. Yeah I'm PO'ed. It shouldn't happen in the first place. If they wreck my sleeves, they're gonna buy me some new ones.

Also, you are trying to make a point about disrespect, but what was that about you having to "dumb down" your argument? The fact that the majority of the posters (and the sarcasm coming from Kevin) oppose you means that I'm not in the minority on this "issue". Your arguments have been faulty and vague. Your "dumbing down" of the argument is actually clarification of your argument. Just calm down and make a logical argument. It is clear that people aren't taking you seriously (look at ShuckleLVX and BoxOfFail/Kevin ;P). Perhaps try responding to the other posts as well... I'm not the only one making a point here. A good argument would be a youtube video showing EXACTLY what you don't like.

Because It seems like you're still not understanding me. I'm trying my best to explain my points and my arguments here, and all you're doing is saying it's vague this, and dumb that and that's not really helping at all. There you go again with the faulty vague crap. What's so faulty about it huh? Tell me please? What do you think I'm not making enough sense, or something? This is the most serious thread I've done sense I've been on the gym, and that's saying something. You guys wanna shoot down my throat for not being like a stuck up proper intelligent poster like the mods. Here's a news flash for ya. I'm not a mod, I'm not a teacher, or dignified person who speaks like that. I'm me, and I speak like me. What do you think I'm doing here? I'm making it as logical as I can. I wouldn't have made this thread if I didn't want to be logical. I would have made something else like: do you like to eat chicken feet? I do respond to other posts. Some of them I just ignore, because I end up explaining everything I want to say in post like these. It seems redundant to repeat myself doesn't it? I cant do a youtube video, because my computer is crappy, and I don't know how to fix it. I'm just lucky enough to be able to post stuff on the Gym. You'll just have to settle for what I post on here.

---------- Post added 05/27/2011 at 09:39 PM ----------

honestly there's no point discussing/arguing this. The OP has his mind made up on what's 'right', and he's the only one it seems like that has a huge issue with players cutting his deck.

Everything I've said hasn't always been right. That's one of the reasons I made this thread. To express my thoughts and find out whats right. I'm entitled to change my mind and agree with you guys on some stuff right? Like I said before and millions of times before in this thread, it's not really a big issue. But when it happens it is pretty bad though. Do you understand me now?

 

[z-man]

Let's be honest... this isn't very serious. This thread has gone into you complaining, defending your points, and getting attacked with logic that you kind of can't really answer to.

Going back to my metaphor, YOU CANNOT CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE. Your complaining about a common action as "disrespectful" and "harmful" is just wrong. Some people are better at that action than others. When a person accidentally messes up, you cannot complain about it. It is a common action (fully justified as well), and someone just happened to mess up. Sleeves right now go for 60 for $4 or 100 for $6. That isn't a huge investment in my book. If somebody messes up and cuts a few sleeves, I'll pull out my extras and replace. No harm done. If they constantly do it, I'll take the initiative to meet with them after the game and show them how I shuffle (which doesn't massacre sleeves). Going back though, let's say that you go out with friends, and someone spills a drink on you (and your watch... let's say). You now need to get a new battery for your watch. Your friend was doing something completely normal (getting a drink), but he or she happened to make an accident and break something. Does that bother you too? It is, in a way, the same thing as what you are complaining about. Should the friend pay for the new battery? Mistakes happen, and there is no reason that this one (or the one dealing with sleeves) "should not happen". Moreover, sleeves wear over time. I replace my sleeves every 2 to 3 months just from the wear and tear of shuffling (every tournament when we get to tier 2 events).

Your faulty and vague argument comes in the form of lack of evidence. You are only starting to give concrete evidence as to what "disrespectful cuts" are. That is after a good 50 posts of nonsense. The fact that people "keep misunderstanding you" means that your argument is not laid out in a very logical manner (I do the exact same thing in many of my posts). Moreover, you are blowing things hugely out of proportions. You make buying new sleeves seem like a travesty and you make this so-called disrespect seem like the worst thing in the world. I'm sure someone else would be angry if this "disrespect" was such an issue, and if you are playing the game competitively, buying sleeves shouldn't be a horrible monitary investment. Even if you were perfectly justified (which you are not), this thread would be a complaint about having to spend about $40/year on sleeves. That isn't a big deal in my book.

I have been playing for the past 7 years (5 in competitive), and I have not once seen somebody so bad that my sleeves are destroyed after a single game (unless I'm playing with those turbo crappy prerelease sleeves). I have seen corners torn after games, but nothing more. ALWAYS bring extra sleeves to tier 2 events (and maybe even cities) to help counteract this issue.



Now then, let's assume you are justified in this. What plan of action do you propose? I have seen none from this thread. Only complaints and what not. If this is truly an issue, surely you have a plan of action to counteract it?


Finally, this is a forum filled with people who want to have logical conversations. We want to discuss the game, possible strategies, the bad things about the game, the good things about the game, etc. If you are not someone who is "properly intelligent" (your words... not mine), you probably shouldn't be holding a conversation that puts you in the center of the topic. It is clear that you prefer the light hearted discussions (look at your deck lists afterall), so deep arguments probably don't suit you. Nobody is forcing you to be "properly intelligent", but when you make a post that addresses what could be an issue, we expect all posters to have a logical argument. You have not had that for many of your posts.

 

[baby mario]

I feel the same way(if you know I'm not a cheater). Now I don't agree with only cutting in the middle though. Because there is a shuffle that players use to shuffle their deck that places their good cards in the middle. There's nothing wrong with that shuffle. It's perfectly legal and just about everyone does that. That was the first shuffle I learned how to do actually. So, cutting it in another place is a good Idea. I just don't like it when they look at me weird though.

That shuffle is not 'perfectly legal'. That shuffle is outright cheating.

A legal shuffle randomizes the deck, it doesn't place good cards in the middle.