Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

What Decks are smart to play at Regionals? What decks will see the most play?

I do like that everyone is "Gengar will be a T1 deck for Regionals". I mean seriously how can you say that when it didn't show up at ALL during States.
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It won Indiana states with Fulop present. beating him both times played against him. (In swiss and T2)

Also, Gechamp is close enough to Gengar. (BTW, how do you pronounce Gechamp anyways? Gee-Champ or GEh-Champ?)

Fact debunked.
 
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TheDarkTwins said:
It is actually better against Champ to G a Crobat. It is resistant and takes all 4 heads on hurricane punch to knock it out. If they play the Lv. X to knock it out they still need 2 heads to knock it out so I think that Crobat is the best choice. The other fact is that it has free retreat and can be Poke Turned at will.

I do like that everyone is "Gengar will be a T1 deck for Regionals". I mean seriously how can you say that when it didn't show up at ALL during States.

Drew
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On top of the fact that almost no one expected G decks to work that well. Gengar's been proven to work. Once again debunked that myth.
 
baby mario said:
Apples and oranges are both fruit

Masters and seniors are both Pokemon players.
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Definitely agree with this - if there were good 13-14 year old Star Wars CCG and LOTR TCG players, there can CERTAINLY be good 13-14 year old Pokemon players. It may not have as much heavy competition as masters, but Seniors should for sure get say if their deck top cuts.
 
TheDarkTwins said:
I do like that everyone is "Gengar will be a T1 deck for Regionals". I mean seriously how can you say that when it didn't show up at ALL during States.
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But it won Florida states in 2 divisions. One of them 11-0. It also won Indiana. Two states championships that had a lot of big names for this game.
 
I think there will be a shift for Regionals and Dialga will not dominate like it did for States. One thing people tend to forget when they look at results....It is not always the deck that wins. If the best players in the country go in with a certain deck then there could be two reasons it is doing well. The deck and the player. When a team works on a deck and then put it in the hands of the best players then it has a good chance of dominating especially if it is used in good numbers of hands. GeChamp....at least the way we played it... was played by three people. Two first place trophies and another Top 16 finish but I keep hearing how it barely made a showing so it is not that good. How many people played Dialga G?? And in my case I would say it was more the deck than the player.

As I said though there will be a shift in the G format. And there will be a shift in the GeChamp format!! That is what makes this game great. In the end it all comes down to matchups and who you pull.
 
jrwaxman said:
I think there will be a shift for Regionals and Dialga will not dominate like it did for States. One thing people tend to forget when they look at results....It is not always the deck that wins. If the best players in the country go in with a certain deck then there could be two reasons it is doing well. The deck and the player. When a team works on a deck and then put it in the hands of the best players then it has a good chance of dominating especially if it is used in good numbers of hands. GeChamp....at least the way we played it... was played by three people. Two first place trophies and another Top 16 finish but I keep hearing how it barely made a showing so it is not that good. How many people played Dialga G?? And in my case I would say it was more the deck than the player.

As I said though there will be a shift in the G format. And there will be a shift in the GeChamp format!! That is what makes this game great. In the end it all comes down to matchups and who you pull.
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Tell me about it. I went undefeated in Swiss at Washington States, and the 16th seed was the only player in the top cut useing a deck that I was weak to. I lost a close 1st game, and the 2nd game I was 10 hp away from beng able to do enough damage to take my 4th prize for that game to count, when time was called.
To make matter worse 3 of the top 4 decks were decks that my deck has a vastly supperior match up to and my deck usually handles fairly easily. Well thats pokemon for you.
 
nnaann said:
I know seniors is alot easier, but I know alot of the Seniors there quite well - and he had no easy games. All against people who could survive in the masters.

I also went 2nd in the Masters with it.
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I didn't say Seniors was easier or harder, I said it was different. I also didn't say it was bad, just not T1 right now as it didn't do as well as other decks. Had it been as popular as other decks, I might have agreed with you but it didn't.

baby mario said:
Apples and oranges are both fruit

Masters and seniors are both Pokemon players.
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Your point is what? Seniors and Masters are both humans, but they are drastically different and so are Apples and Oranges. My point was that the age groups are DIFFERENT in what is played and nothing else, I didn't say one was better than the other, I just said that it was different for each age group.

Naki Feralkin said:
It won Indiana states with Fulop present. beating him both times played against him. (In swiss and T2)

Also, Gechamp is close enough to Gengar. (BTW, how do you pronounce Gechamp anyways? Gee-Champ or GEh-Champ?)

Fact debunked.
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That is because Kingdra loses to Gengar. Almost everyone knows this. You can't deal with them hitting the bench to KO all your Pokemon while Gengar KO's Kingdra by flipping a heads.

secretsof2113 said:
On top of the fact that almost no one expected G decks to work that well. Gengar's been proven to work. Once again debunked that myth.
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Okay first off, I never said Gengar was bad, I said currently it isn't T1 and based on how it did a States the facts would tend to agree to me. Do I expect Gengar to be more Popular, maybe, do I expect G decks to be ready for it, yes. I just think that anyone who thinks that there will be a "influx" of Gengar decks at Regionals is out of there minds. I love how everyone is "myth debunked", but I didn't know what I was saying was a "myth". I was just stating facts based on results.

ApachePrime said:
But it won Florida states in 2 divisions. One of them 11-0. It also won Indiana. Two states championships that had a lot of big names for this game.
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You know what big names mean to me, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Any "big name" player can do just as badly as anyone else. Just because an event has a lot of them, doesn't mean that they are going to do well. The only reason a big name is a big name is because they have earned it by consistently doing well. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can beat one of these players if they have a good deck. Gengar is a good deck, I never said it was bad. I just think that you have to look at how it did overall and overall it didn't win many states. Now granted that maybe because it didn't see a lot of play and then again it maybe because it isn't as good as everyone things, but what I do know is that I don't expect to see Gengar as much as I expect to see the 5 decks that won States the most which are pretty much Machamp and G varients.

Drew
 
Why is it more important how many States a deck won overall, than how it did in States where there were a lot of big names/good players?

If a deck can win a tournament where many good players attended, then the deck has proven that it can win even the hardest match-up. If a deck wins 4 States in the world, but they are the "easiest" States to win in the world, it doesn't really mean much.

Just to make it clear: I'm not putting down any specific States here, I'm just making an example.

Everyone who owns 1st place trophy has done a GREAT job, and it's an achievement to be proud of. But some of the people holding 1st place trophies worked a lot harder to get them than others. That's just the way it is.
 
TheDarkTwins said:
Your point is what? Seniors and Masters are both humans, but they are drastically different and so are Apples and Oranges. My point was that the age groups are DIFFERENT in what is played and nothing else, I didn't say one was better than the other, I just said that it was different for each age group.
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My (fairly obvious) point had nothing to do with whether Seniors were as good as Masters or not. Simply that both play the same game with the same cards and, although there are significant differences, it is likely that a deck which is good will be good in all age groups. It's a bit silly to just get on your high horse and say that because a deck does well in Seniors, that data has no relevance whatsoever to the other divisions.

Apples and oranges are not so different either. There are many valid ways to compare their merits as a healthy snack, or as part of a delicious fruit salad.
 
Tego said:
Why is it more important how many States a deck won overall, than how it did in States where there were a lot of big names/good players?

If a deck can win a tournament where many good players attended, then the deck has proven that it can win even the hardest match-up. If a deck wins 4 States in the world, but they are the "easiest" States to win in the world, it doesn't really mean much.

Just to make it clear: I'm not putting down any specific States here, I'm just making an example.

Everyone who owns 1st place trophy has done a GREAT job, and it's an achievement to be proud of. But some of the people holding 1st place trophies worked a lot harder to get them than others. That's just the way it is.
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I'd have to disagree here. First off just because better players are in certain areas doesn't mean that area is "harder" than another. Granted some of this time it is the truth, but you have to remember that the Metagame is different in each area, so a deck that is good in one area might be AWFUL in another.

baby mario said:
My (fairly obvious) point had nothing to do with whether Seniors were as good as Masters or not. Simply that both play the same game with the same cards and, although there are significant differences, it is likely that a deck which is good will be good in all age groups. It's a bit silly to just get on your high horse and say that because a deck does well in Seniors, that data has no relevance whatsoever to the other divisions.

Apples and oranges are not so different either. There are many valid ways to compare their merits as a healthy snack, or as part of a delicious fruit salad.
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That maybe true, but think about this, in different area's the metagame is different, the same is usually true with the lower age groups. Each group has a different metagame, so one deck that might do good in Seniors might be an awful choice in Masters and vice versa.

I really am not planning to post more about on this because this discussion is kind of off topic.

Drew
 
i like burdn of a day said:
I think Dialga G w/techs and NO palkia is the BDIF. Palkia doesn't do it that much good. its much better IMO to play Toolbox with 1 less Weavile Honchkrow Skunktank and Toxi G and a 3-1 Dialga G lvX line and 2-4 Mesprit, otherwise known as Dialga G w/ Techs. Palkia Is OK for Juniors, Maybe OK for Seniors, but im not sure its any better than OK.
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I agree with this.

Dialga G/techs is definetly BDIF.

Toolbox works for Juniors, but don't over tech it.
 
IMO, Toolbox is nothing but a prototype G deck that hasn't reached the stage of figuring out that Palkia X or Dialga X is needed. It's an early G deck that works in metagames were everyone is playing DP-SF decks. :p That's it, basically.

If Toolbox or Toxitank works great for your local Junior, it must be because all the other players are using non-SP decks.

And yes, Dialga.dec is probably the best deck in the format. But it doesn't make much sense to say that Palkia "does no good" to it. Dialga G and Palkia G are completely different decks, just like Dark Steelix and Powdacham were two completely different decks in the 2004-2005 format. :p (The aggressive Wall that heals, and the power-stopping, bench crumbling control deck)
 
Tego said:
Why is it more important how many States a deck won overall, than how it did in States where there were a lot of big names/good players?

If a deck can win a tournament where many good players attended, then the deck has proven that it can win even the hardest match-up. If a deck wins 4 States in the world, but they are the "easiest" States to win in the world, it doesn't really mean much.

Just to make it clear: I'm not putting down any specific States here, I'm just making an example.

Everyone who owns 1st place trophy has done a GREAT job, and it's an achievement to be proud of. But some of the people holding 1st place trophies worked a lot harder to get them than others. That's just the way it is.
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LOL I guess what you are saying is that 1st place in Minnesota = 3rd place in Oregon.
 
I just think that anyone who thinks that there will be a "influx" of Gengar decks at Regionals is out of there minds.
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As a counter option? Thats insane. Machamp may not have had much of an influence in your area, but it certainly did over here, and I think people will prepare for it. Gengar will see play in my region simply for that, and perhaps you need be wary of the Machamp meta in yours simply because G is doing so well and Gengar HASN'T done well at states.

Based on region, I think Gengar is a viable threat, and perhaps even Dusknoir simply because of the Machamp meta.

BTW, Indiana champs report:
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95358

If you're trying to say Gengar is not a threat simply because it has poor matchups, I can easily say he had played the tougher decks in the meta and had absolutely no problem with them. You can't throw a bad matchup in the way of this and simply think thats the know-all end-all reason that a specific list won't see play. That, is what is truly insane.

And don't even try to tell me Machamp can beat Gengar (consistently).
 
guys when it comes down to it all It is is luck. including what deck you play

even the best of players can be luck sacked so, BE LUCKY!

personally i think its hard to say what will win regions because the medagame is not the same where ever you go
 
It's a donky format, Jeff. After looking at the results across several states, and the players who traditionally win them, the only conclusion I've come to is that the best you can hope for is to simply get a few rounds into top cut and see what happens in finals if you don't get a bad start.

D/P is still, far and beyond, the most solid choice anyone can make for regionals, at least among decks we've seen. Just because Ross got a couple bad starts doesn't demean the fact that he already beat that same player during swiss and completely outplayed him in one game of T4. Same thing last week for Tyler and Michael. It's just that skill is much less of a factor this format because of the high number of decks that attack early either on massive uxie draws or coinflips.
 
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