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CT Cities Report(How to screw yourself over)

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Last word on the subject of marked sleeves and competitive play. Marked sleeves are just that marked. We never call players names. We simply point out the facts that are in evidence. When a player plays with sleeves that are marked whether it is intentional or not they will be disqualified for playing with marked cards. All of you can check the penalty guidelines that is the right penalty.

Last year players did things that were out of character for pokemon. People were asking me if Pokemon was becoming too competitive. When players look for every edge they can get that is becoming competitive. Some players know the penalty guideliness which is great. Some of these believe that just because an event is only 16 K the judges caon't call certain things or disqualify players. That is the wrong thinking. Marked cards are still marked cards whether the tourney is run at 16 K or 48K.

Judges don't disqualify players. Judges don't game loss players Players do that to themselves with their actions. It is just like baseball. Judges are the umpires. If a batter swings and misses a pitch they get a strike the umpire didn't give the player the strike, the player earned the strike. With that in mind when you play with marked sleeves you get panalized. If a few of them are marked it can be a game loss(we had a few of those last year at regionals). or if a lot of them are marked in a pattern it can be a disqualification. Either way the judge doesn't mark the sleeves, we just look at the facts.

Do ask a judge to check your sleeves,

Do resleeve if they are marked

Do bring along extra sleeves of the same color so you can change ones that get marked during the tournament.

Don't play with MARKED SLEEVES

It really isn't hard to do.

have a great day everyone

Tom Shea
 
TomShea said:
Last word on the subject of marked sleeves and competitive play. Marked sleeves are just that marked. We never call players names. We simply point out the facts that are in evidence. When a player plays with sleeves that are marked whether it is intentional or not they will be disqualified for playing with marked cards. All of you can check the penalty guidelines that is the right penalty.

Last year players did things that were out of character for pokemon. People were asking me if Pokemon was becoming too competitive. When players look for every edge they can get that is becoming competitive. Some players know the penalty guideliness which is great. Some of these believe that just because an event is only 16 K the judges caon't call certain things or disqualify players. That is the wrong thinking. Marked cards are still marked cards whether the tourney is run at 16 K or 48K.

Judges don't disqualify players. Judges don't game loss players Players do that to themselves with their actions. It is just like baseball. Judges are the umpires. If a batter swings and misses a pitch they get a strike the umpire didn't give the player the strike, the player earned the strike. With that in mind when you play with marked sleeves you get panalized. If a few of them are marked it can be a game loss(we had a few of those last year at regionals). or if a lot of them are marked in a pattern it can be a disqualification. Either way the judge doesn't mark the sleeves, we just look at the facts.

Do ask a judge to check your sleeves,

Do resleeve if they are marked

Do bring along extra sleeves of the same color so you can change ones that get marked during the tournament.

Don't play with MARKED SLEEVES

It really isn't hard to do.

have a great day everyone

Tom Shea
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Good post. You made the decision you thought you should have made, and I respect that.

I'll see you in RI.
 
Sparta so when your PTO said they investigated and found MULTIPLE marked cards you would like me to say that they where wrong? no, you would stand by your judges and the choices they make. Tom isn't out to get people and is a great stand up person so if decided the marked cards where intentional with multiple patterns that where not created from play you would belive them that is what i do.
 
DarkMagnus said:
Sparta so when your PTO said they investigated and found MULTIPLE marked cards you would like me to say that they where wrong? no, you would stand by your judges and the choices they make. Tom isn't out to get people and is a great stand up person so if decided the marked cards where intentional with multiple patterns that where not created from play you would believe them that is what i do.
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It is what it is. I don't fault you for believing in the judges, but I know the truth. On Sunday, everybody will know what the truth is.

See you all in RI.
 
Skull Bash said:
It is what it is. I don't fault you for believing in the judges, but I know the truth. On Sunday, everybody will know what the truth is.

See you all in RI.
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Gino + Alex + John + Mike + Adrian + Brendan is the truth! Last year I shoulda won RI citys and this year im so taking it! :cool:
 
DarkMagnus said:
Sparta so when your PTO said they investigated and found MULTIPLE marked cards you would like me to say that they where wrong? no, you would stand by your judges and the choices they make. Tom isn't out to get people and is a great stand up person so if decided the marked cards where intentional with multiple patterns that where not created from play you would belive them that is what i do.
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Once again, they wouldn't. I had a few broken sleeves in my deck and my opponent noticed, so we called over the judge. They asked a few questions, and determined that since sleeves were broken, and I didn't have replacements, I had to de-sleeve and was given a caution, because they ruled since I had old sleeves and one of them broke, that odds are I had not cheated. So, yeah... third times the charm DM.
 
you keep going back to one broken sleeve where it has been stated by other people that is was not just as stated there where markings on the other cards such as swirls on on card of a type and not others scratches and slices in other spots, in a way that would be intentional marking. also this is over if i have to get it locked i have tried not to slam Brandon on this but you a far outside source still wants to argue the pont. plz let it die so he may have a better RI
 
Sparta still isn't getting the difference between broken sleeves and MARKED SLEEVES. Trust me if Heidi thought you were playing with MARKED SLEEVES you would be penalized the same. She is a good pto who does what is in the best interests of her area just like I do. Playing with MARKED CARDS is unacceptable no matter where you live, no matter what tournament you play in.

I look forward to seeing everyone next Sunday at Disposable Hereos in RI for the next City Championship. Sparta come make the trip to New England you will love it up here!!

Tom Shea
 
applecat said:
First off, it you want to tell your story, you should tell the whole story.

You didn't just get DQ'd over a torn sleeve. Your Gardy X had a torn sleeve, and it was proved in the deck check that other important key pokemon and trainers had some sort of marks on them.

And yes, you were obviously complained about hence the random deck check. While playing you I had to remind you a few times that yes, you had already attached an energy during your turn (and after playing you was told that you were a shady character that I should watch out for). I thought that you were getting lucky pulling all the right cards you needed, but after I found everything else out I totally realized that wasn't luck at all. You seemed like a nice guy, but I have no respect for cheaters.

Cheating is cheating, and I think what you did can't be passed off as just "beat up sleeves". You can spin all the 'poor me' stories that you'd like, but when it comes down to it, the truth is always going to come out.
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I can't believe how disrespectful you are, it's honestly sickening. I hate people like you. Always assuming the worst in people.

I can personally vouge that Brandon would never cheat. Brandon, my brother, and I all bought our sleeves on the same exact day last year before cities. They are going to be worn. That's all they are, worn. Maybe some are worse than others, but when it comes down to it, they are just played sleeves. Does that make my brother and I cheaters as well?

And saying that Brandon "cheated" and "pulled all the right cards he needed", that can't be serious. For one, how is he supposed to know which card is going to be on top when he is shuffling AND when you cut his deck. It's honestly rediculous how rude and disrespectful you are and I hope I never have to meet you in person.

If Brandon was a cheater, would he have gone 2-4 at Battle Roads ( lol sorry, I just had to rub it in more )

The part about Brandon being a shady charecter, I'm not even going to comment on it. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that *cough*hesblack*cough* though.

All in all though, I'm disgusted at Applecat. I understand why the judges had a problem with the sleeves I guess, mine are almost the same, but he most deffinately didn't deserve a DQ. Gardevoir isn't even a major card in his build of the deck.
 
DarkMagnus said:
you keep going back to one broken sleeve where it has been stated by other people that is was not just as stated there where markings on the other cards such as swirls on on card of a type and not others scratches and slices in other spots, in a way that would be intentional marking. also this is over if i have to get it locked i have tried not to slam Brandon on this but you a far outside source still wants to argue the pont. plz let it die so he may have a better RI
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The only problem I have with this is the fact that the judge told me the ONLY sleeve he had a problem with was Gardevoir. He showed me the sleeve in real life and what the problem was, and that was fine with me. Now, however, he goes online and says there were patterns of cards that were "marked." If that was the case, he would have told me in real life as well as show me the other cards like he did with the one card that he told me was damaged.

It's cool man, I'm sorry didn't get to play in CT, but hopefully we'll get to play in one of the upcoming cities. See you in RI.
 
SD PokéMom said:
oh no, you did not.go.there...=/

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I was just going over the possible scenarios. I don't know if the person who reported Brandon was racist or not.

I don't get why the judges said it was a random deck check, when in fact, somebody(the same person who lost to Brandon, SORELOSER) had reported him to a judge.
 
WOW I didnt even see that!!! How racist is calling someone a shady character even though you meant something different. I didnt even get that at first. *Calls Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson*
 
Let Fire Fall said:
The part about Brandon being a shady charecter, I'm not even going to comment on it. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that *cough*hesblack*cough* though.
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I'm not going to adress the rest, because as far as I'm concerned we've been told to knock it off.

I will say this, though. My sister is black, and I love her to death. You will not try to pull the race card with me, and try to make me look racist. That is completely uncalled for and unrelated. I'm equally as disgusted as you are with me, with you trying to pull something like this. To me or ANYONE for that matter.
 
I'd like to make clear that, from reading the thread, the judges determined that the cards were marked.
They did NOT determine that the player cheated.
To determine that takes a level of evidence that goes beyond what was available.

The penalty was for a marked deck, not for cheating.

Please stop throwing that word around as if such a determination was made.
 
applecat said:
I'm not going to adress the rest, because as far as I'm concerned we've been told to knock it off.

I will say this, though. My sister is black, and I love her to death. You will not try to pull the race card with me, and try to make me look racist. That is completely uncalled for and unrelated. I'm equally as disgusted as you are with me, with you trying to pull something like this. To me or ANYONE for that matter.
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the only thing I'd like to ask you is what made me a shady character? Why didn't you point something out during OUR game if you had a problem?
 
applecat said:
I'm not going to adress the rest, because as far as I'm concerned we've been told to knock it off.
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Thank You. At least one person is listening. If a few more of you don't knock it off there will be some penalties given out right here in this thread. Last warning.

BDS
 
Gdog121TheChamp said:
Gino + Alex + John + Mike + Adrian + Brendan is the truth! Last year I shoulda won RI citys and this year im so taking it! :cool:
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Not if I have anything to say about it.

Anyway, I'm buying new sleeves to use at the RI CC after hearing this. I'll probably get new ones before the Milford MA one, too.
 
Since Skull Bash said he doesn't mind (infact he said it earlier[I need to learn to read]) and i realize my arguement was *kinda* (aka really) bad, I am just going to butt out. BTW LFF, the whole black thing was 100% uncalled for.
 
Might it be a good suggestion to make deck checks unoptional but required in the future? It solves a lot of headaches. I'm not trying to tell you how to do your jobs, but in essence, not every player is utterly responsible for their deck. In essence, it is also a judges fault for not knowing about the marked cards in the first place. You would never know if a player was being honest or not! The only person who truly knows whether the cards were marked or dinged up in the middle of his match was Brandon himself. Whether he is an honest player or not, I don't know. I'm not from the New England region.

I'm just trying to play devils advocate here. Would this have happened had deck checks been done? I know it adds a little extra time to your events, but this is a competitive environment in a very very popular competitive TCG. People will come in and will break rules and cheat. Some innocent people will get caught in the moment and get totally burned for something unintentional, such as this right here. Its painless, it keeps situations like this from happening to your players.

I can understand it in a high volume environment like Nationals not requiring all decks to be checked, but in something like a Battle Road or a Cities tournament, it should be at the least noted.

This I also urge anyone who plays this at a high level who are subject to only optional deck checks, to get them checked! Trust me, its quick and painless and you won't end up being embarrassed when something like this happens in the middle of your tournament.

I have to remain on the side of the OP here, guys. I'm not trying to choose sides, but I would not have DQ'd the player unless there was absolutely notable evidence that he was cheating. I'll say it again, I don't know if they were marked or not, I didn't see them. I'd have just given him a Game Loss and told him to resleeve. If it were absolutely notable that he were cheating, then sure, I could see the DQ.

Its a matter of Marked or not, IMHO. All I can say is to get your deck checked in the future. :3
 
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