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About Worlds location

That's one of the reasons why a different location of the Worlds would come in handy, if it's in your country, you can go no matter as you won't be inhibited by an not having an Invite.
 
afstandopleren said:
Wow, congrats, you got me there, this is the first time it's open for all, you coming?

And I don't consider Benelux Cup to be that much of an event since I believe it was organized because the Belgium players don't see much competitive play. But maybe I'm wrong on that last part.

But this is getting off topic, any other responses that are on topic?
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All tournaments but Worlds and Nats are open to EVEYRONE.
 
I find that comparing US Nationals to any European Nationals is really a bad comparison, mostly due to the size of the countries and the relative rarity of the events involved. The United States has approximately the same land mass and population as Europe (excluding Russia), but there are something like 30 countries in Europe, while there's only one US. Probably a better comparison would be United States Regionals to European Nationals. Doing that, there's actually a pretty fair comparison between the two. I think that US Regionals went from 97 to about 300 last year (average about 160 with one true outlier at 302), and that most European Nationals were slightly lower (30-150, average about 90).

Personally, I'd like to see Worlds fly around the World, but I just don't see that happening, mostly because of the discussion already taken place here about the cost of the stuff they use at Worlds. Again, I was at Nationals, and they probably had an 18-wheeler full of stuff that they *took back* to Seattle with them. I have no idea the amount of stuff they brought with at the beginning. Probably 2-3 18-wheelers. It costs a LOT of money to ship that much stuff one way (my cousins moved from South Africa to Chicago, BIG expense shipping two crates of stuff here), much less two across an ocean.
 
There are some International National Championships that have long been Invite only.
 
The only time you'll ever see Worlds go outside of the US is if they decide to stick it in Canada or Mexico some time, since you can still drive everything there.

Not that the odds of either of those are much higher than negligible, but those are the only non-US places I would even give ANY chance.
 
bullados said:
I find that comparing US Nationals to any European Nationals is really a bad comparison, mostly due to the size of the countries and the relative rarity of the events involved. The United States has approximately the same land mass and population as Europe (excluding Russia), but there are something like 30 countries in Europe, while there's only one US. Probably a better comparison would be United States Regionals to European Nationals. Doing that, there's actually a pretty fair comparison between the two. I think that US Regionals went from 97 to about 300 last year (average about 160 with one true outlier at 302), and that most European Nationals were slightly lower (30-150, average about 90).

Personally, I'd like to see Worlds fly around the World, but I just don't see that happening, mostly because of the discussion already taken place here about the cost of the stuff they use at Worlds. Again, I was at Nationals, and they probably had an 18-wheeler full of stuff that they *took back* to Seattle with them. I have no idea the amount of stuff they brought with at the beginning. Probably 2-3 18-wheelers. It costs a LOT of money to ship that much stuff one way (my cousins moved from South Africa to Chicago, BIG expense shipping two crates of stuff here), much less two across an ocean.
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That's a very en lighting post. I could obviously never think of such a comparison so thank you for making that clear.

Still, I do honestly have to wonder how many accessories are at Worlds because things I can think of that we have in Europe are:

Posters
Place to hold Worlds (I know it's a duh thing but worth mentioning)
Stands (Without the sell able goods)
Hotels or places to stay the night.
Cardboards with numbers on them to designate the players tables

I know that there are some things missing but my mind is a bit clogged up atm.

Don't get me wrong, I do get that costs is an issue on both sides if you get my drift. But I know there should be an solution, if you will, somewhere.
 
The stage. The prizes. Clocks. Goodies. Staff support. League supplies. Sound system (depending on venue). Computers. Electronics. Tables (depending on venue). Table protectors. Barriers. Curtains. Blowups. Posters. Demo area. And this was all the stuff they brought to Nationals. I haven't been to Worlds, and I can only *imagine* what volume of stuff they bring to that. here is a pretty good idea of all the stuff they bring for US Nationals. What you *don't* see there is the 100+ person League line that stretched across the back wall. That line never dwindled the entire weekend, and every single person who got in line walked away with a prize. I'd guess over 1000 (conservative estimate) prizes were given in that line alone. Then there was Nationals itself, which gave away over 3 cases. Then there was the Prof Cup, which gave away probably at least twice that. Then there were the 50 person Sealed tourneys. Then there were the 100 person Modified tourneys. Then there were the 8-man sides, supported by 8 packs each (over 50 of those run during the weekend). I can only assume that Worlds is a bigger party than that.
 
Wow, there is really more going on in America then in Europe. But maybe because we are divided in actual different countries with most of them having their own group. The total number of players in Europe is a bit unknown to me, though I willing to bet that the crowd could be really big when all added up.... I wonder if there is something like a European Championship...
 
^part of the problem in Europe and other countries is the use of LDs. In the USA, PUI is the umbrella and OP runs the show. A central group of very dedicated employees to manage this. I dont know how active/involved the LDs are across the world. I may reflect in the # of paid invites they pay for to Worlds. The more dedicated, the more paid slots. The ones that are in it for profit only, less paid invites. Remember folks, free to you or I doesn't mean free to them. Someone is paying for the flights, hotel etc.

Keith
 
I would not expect that holding worlds in Europe would be significantly more difficult or expensive than Hawaii, probably cheaper than Hawaii. However holding worlds anywhere that does not use the USdollar comes with a whole host of budgetary planning implications. There is also the 8 hours or more change in time zone from Seattle, that can make planning and execution a much longer and more awkward process even before you get to the problem that most of Europe does not have English as its national language.

I still have hopes for worlds somewhere in Europe, but I always have such an event at least two years away. *shrug* still I can dream.
 
^that's a blunt understatement IMHO. Just because everyone huddles up together in 1 huge tourny in America doesn't mean that Europe doesn't have a Pokemon crowd just as big.
 
afstandopleren said:
I find the 'Bigger player base in America' argument a very weak one.
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Actually its a very good argument. 2,476 players from Europe and Africa have played in the 2008-2009 tournament season so far. In the US alone there have been 7,659 players who have played in a tournament this season. That is more than TRIPLE the number of players from Europe. If you compare North America to Europe and Africa the gap is even bigger. 8,817 players have played in a tournament in the 2008-09 season.

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afstandopleren said:
Please do. Otherwise I won't get it.
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1. Worlds is run by PUI. PUI stands for Pokemon USA Inc. PUI is in the United States, so it makes sense for them to keep the tournament here.
2. The US has the largest player base in the world. (Japan's might be bigger but I don't have the numbers for them)
3. Things are cheaper here than Europe.
I have more if you want.
 
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afstandopleren said:
I want more, you are stating the obvious with those three and they've been noted already in this thread.
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Why does it matter if they're obvious. Your exact quote was:
And what, just what don't we have in Europe that America does have. It seems to me like they are ignoring Europeans because the player base in America is bigger and there is no European equivalent of PUI.
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I didn't notice any disclaimer in there that what we have that you don't have can't already have been in this thread, or that it can't be obvious. You are just ignoring anything that happens to be a good reason to have Worlds in the US. The US has 5,183 more players than Europe does. That's 5,183 reason why it should be here.

Where in Europe would YOU like to have Worlds anyway? And this money angle really doesn't matter. I'm not going to Worlds either. Its on the other side of the country. 2,726 miles (4,387 km)away from me. And when Worlds was in Hawaii, EVERYONE had to fly there.
 
Well I'm sorry if I'm focused on all the positives of a Worlds being held somewhere else.

I still think that it would open up a huge Player base since the game would get more familiarity over here. (it's not as known over here as in America obviously)
 
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