About Worlds location

[drmario]

Well I'm sorry if I'm focused on all the positives of a Worlds being held somewhere else.

I still think that it would open up a huge Player base since the game would get more familiarity over here. (it's not as known over here as in America obviously)

No you just ignored the reasons that its still held here. Obviously there are positives to having it outside the US. But so it would seem that PUI has felt the positives of having it in the US outweigh the positives of having it in another country.
I kinda doubt it would open up a huge player base. Worlds is invite only.

 

[afstandopleren]

That's.....stupid. So because there isn't a PUI equivelant or there aren't enough players, it's being held in America. That still makes it an American-Championship-with-foreigners-that-got-an-invite.

 

[machampX]

seroisly ok if you want the world in where ever in europe you should send them a message and i bet when that message comes back to you in yahoo or msn

its going to have a HUGE NO in that message
and says why in the world would you want ot have over there they would be losing money practaly

 

[drmario]

That's.....stupid. So because there isn't a PUI equivelant or there aren't enough players, it's being held in America. That still makes it an American-Championship-with-foreigners-that-got-an-invite.

You are making zero sense. Yes there aren't enough players in the rest of the world. It would be like England hosting the World Series. Or the Super Bowl being played in France. And what part of no PUI equivalent is stupid? Someone does actually have to run Worlds. And its still invite only. There are plenty of players from other countries. At worlds last year 42 of the 128 Masters Players where from the US. That's about 33% of the total. That is hardly and American-Championship-with-foreigners-that-got-an-invite.

If you want more consider this. Last year there where 2,315 Masters in the US. There where 3,835 Masters in the whole world (excluding Japan). US Masters where 60% of the world total, however they only got 33% (35% of you exclude Japanese players) of the Worlds spots.

 

[koolkidkaz]

Reasons for the Western coast of the US:
1. It is the closest middle point between the 2 largest player bases in the world, Japan and the US.
2. PUI is located on the WC, as well Nintendo's HQ.
3. Both Mexico players and Canada Players are in close proximity to the venue, compared to europe.

Reason for Europe to host Worlds:
1.There has been an uprising of European and West-Asian players clamoring for a closer worlds.
2. While there might not be as many players in europe,(or anywhere else) it is still a distant 3rd to the US and Japan.

(i am a little biased, as i live in WA, but i tried very hard to be fair)

-Kaz

 

[afstandopleren]

You are making zero sense. Yes there aren't enough players in the rest of the world. It would be like England hosting the World Series. Or the Super Bowl being played in France. And what part of no PUI equivalent is stupid? Someone does actually have to run Worlds. And its still invite only. There are plenty of players from other countries. At worlds last year 42 of the 128 Masters Players where from the US. That's about 33% of the total. That is hardly and American-Championship-with-foreigners-that-got-an-invite.

If you want more consider this. Last year there where 2,315 Masters in the US. There where 3,835 Masters in the whole world (excluding Japan). US Masters where 60% of the world total, however they only got 33% (35% of you exclude Japanese players) of the Worlds spots.

*sigh* It's painfully clear that most of us in this thread aren't on the same line here. You come here with cold statistics and giving rather repeated and ignorant reasons of why it should be kept in the USA. What is so scary about not having the Worlds in the US that makes most of you respond like this? Because let's face it, it's rather harsh to say 'We have more reasons for Worlds to be held here then in your outnumbered Europe'.

 

[drmario]

*sigh* It's painfully clear that we or almost anyone else is on the same line here. You come here with cold statistics and giving rather repeated and ignorant reasons of why it should be kept in the USA. What is so scary about not having the Worlds in the US that makes most of you respond like this? Because let's face it, it's rather harsh to say 'We have more reasons for Worlds to be held here then in your outnumbered Europe'.

Cold statistics. Please. Get real. How do you think people make informed decisions about things? With 'cold statistics'.

We do have more reasons to have Worlds here. Face facts. There are more players here. Its a fact. You can call it a 'cold statistic' if you want. I really don't care. It doesn't change the FACT that we have more than 3x the number of players that Europe does. How do you think PUI should make their decisions? Obviously you don't think they should use 'cold statistics'. You obviously want worlds in Europe, and anytime I give you a reason why it shouldn't be there, you think up some excuse to brush it off. Next you'll tell me they should have Worlds in Europe because if you use alphabetical order Europe comes before the United States.

 

[NoPoke]

Player base in both regions is sufficient. There is no point in arguing mine is bigger than yours as the numbers are not comparable. I wonder what would happen to the USA figures if you had to pay $10 to play. I bet attendances would fall.

The logistics of organising a Worlds event in Europe with the organising team based in Seattle is a very very very big hurdle. Yet still I dream.

 

[drmario]

Player base in both regions is sufficient. There is no point in arguing mine is bigger than yours as the numbers are not comparable. I wonder what would happen to the USA figures if you had to pay $10 to play. I bet attendances would fall.

The logistics of organising a Worlds event in Europe with the organising team based in Seattle is a very very very big hurdle. Yet still I dream.

Why aren't the numbers comparable? Numbers are numbers. They seem capable enough of comparisons.

 

[afstandopleren]

Cold statistics. Please. Get real. How do you think people make informed decisions about things? With 'cold statistics'.

We do have more reasons to have Worlds here. Face facts. There are more players here. Its a fact. You can call it a 'cold statistic' if you want. I really don't care. It doesn't change the FACT that we have more than 3x the number of players that Europe does. How do you think PUI should make their decisions? Obviously you don't think they should use 'cold statistics'. You obviously want worlds in Europe, and anytime I give you a reason why it shouldn't be there, you think up some excuse to brush it off. Next you'll tell me they should have Worlds in Europe because if you use alphabetical order Europe comes before the United States.

So I can't win you over, I can't try with someone that's so focused on keeping it in place.

Anyone else got something to add to the discussion?

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Player base in both regions is sufficient. There is no point in arguing mine is bigger than yours as the numbers are not comparable. I wonder what would happen to the USA figures if you had to pay $10 to play. I bet attendances would fall.

The logistics of organising a Worlds event in Europe with the organising team based in Seattle is a very very very big hurdle. Yet still I dream.

It might be a big hurdle I know and fully realize that, but it's one that can be taken as long as there is a drive or something along those lines...if you get what I mean that is.

 

[drmario]

So I can't win you over, I can't try with someone that's so focused on keeping it in place.

Anyone else got something to add to the discussion?

You can't win me over because you completely ignore my points. All of them. You just write them off. I tell you we have triple the players Europe has. You say they're 'cold statistics'. You can't have a discussion with someone if the other person ignores everything that's said.

 

[afstandopleren]

Who says I ignore your points? I was fully aware of them but I'm having a WAAAAAY different point of view on the situation that goes beyond a couple of numbers.

 

[drmario]

Who says I ignore your points? I was fully aware of them but I'm having a WAAAAAY different point of view on the situation that goes beyond a couple of numbers.

But your point of view isn't logical. You just want worlds in Europe. And any fact or statement that comes up that might suggest that worlds won't be in Europe doesn't matter to you. You aren't having a discussion. You just want people to agree with you.

And its not just a couple of numbers. Its how businesses make decisions. With numbers. If PUI ignored numbers then they would have more than a few problems.

 

[afstandopleren]

The only thing we've managed to agree upon is that we both think that the other is irrational and illogical.
So for the sake of the topic I'm dropping our little argument now before it ends in an off topic discussion or escalates.

 

[NoPoke]

Why aren't the numbers comparable? Numbers are numbers. They seem capable enough of comparisons.

You can compare numbers. I'm decent enough at math and can compare numbers with the best. But you are not comparing numbers, you are comparing players. In particular the number of players who have paid to play in an event with the number of players who turned up to a free event. I'm certain that my attendances would increase dramatically if play was free.

Is a three trillion dollar debt more than a two trillion dollar debt? Numerically it is, but in every other sense of what impact it has and how long it will take to clear such debts they are comparable. Too close a focus on numerical size and you miss the most important detail. In the case of vast debt it is that it is terrifyingly enormous. In the case of the player base that there are sufficient players in Europe to make holding Worlds in Europe a worthwhile marketing exercise. One that won't fall flat on its face due to lack of a target market. Once you have sufficient players you don't need more. More may be nice but is no longer a show stopper that say deciding to hold Worlds in South Africa would be.

 

[drmario]

You can compare numbers. I'm decent enough at math and can compare numbers with the best. But you are not comparing numbers, you are comparing players. In particular the number of players who have paid to play in an event with the number of players who turned up to a free event. I'm certain that my attendances would increase dramatically if play was free.

Is a three trillion dollar debt more than a two trillion dollar debt? Numerically it is, but in every other sense of what impact it has and how long it will take to clear such debts they are comparable. Too close a focus on numerical size and you miss the most important detail. In the case of vast debt it is that it is terrifyingly enormous. In the case of the player base that there are sufficient players in Europe to make holding Worlds in Europe a worthwhile marketing exercise. One that won't fall flat on its face due to lack of a target market. Once you have sufficient players you don't need more. More may be nice but is no longer a show stopper that say deciding to hold Worlds in South Africa would be.

Yes there are enough players in Europe to support Worlds. But my point with the numbers is that PUI is putting Worlds in a location that is somewhat convenient for a majority of the players.

Worlds costs money to go to for most people. So shouldn't PUI try to make Worlds as cheap as possible for as many players as possible? How would they accomplish that? By putting it as close to as many players as they can. Although Hawaii Worlds shows that PUI doesn't always think like this.

 

[NoPoke]

1) you are still trying to compare numbers. As against comparing number of players who paid nothing to play with the number who paid $10. I always manage to sell out of free items but the product that comes with a price takes a bit longer.

2) Marketing means retaining existing players but also generating new players. Worlds always in the USA will lead to the inevitable contraction of play outside the USA.

3) Each year the European players that travel to worlds pay more than the local USA players. At some point that expenditure becomes unsustainable. There are only so many tmes that European families will want to visit Orlando or California. Even now with worlds in the USA it is unlikely that the event is held at a location to minimise travel expenditure for the players. There will be bigger considerations that have driven worlds to alternate between Florida and California. (I keep hoping for worlds to be held in Seattle or New England)

4) By your arguement worlds in Hawaii makes no sense. ( I know you recognise this but not perhaps the implication it has for your assumptions )

Currency fluctuation, language, time zone are all real obstacles to having worlds in Europe. With language and time zone probably much more significant than currency.

 

[drmario]

1) you are still trying to compare numbers. As against comparing number of players who paid nothing to play with the number who paid $10. I always manage to sell out of free items but the product that comes with a price takes a bit longer.

2) Marketing means retaining existing players but also generating new players. Worlds always in the USA will lead to the inevitable contraction of play outside the USA.

3) Each year the European players that travel to worlds pay more than the local USA players. At some point that expenditure becomes unsustainable. Even now with worlds in the USA it is unlikely that the event is held at a location to minimise travel expenditure for the players. There will be bigger considerations that have driven worlds to alternate between Florida and California. I keep hoping for worlds to be held in Seattle.

4) By your arguement worlds in Hawaii makes no sense. ( I know you recognise this but not perhaps the implication it has for your assumptions )

Currency fluctuation, language, time zone are all real obstacles to having worlds in Europe. With language and time zone probably much more significant than currency.

So tournaments in the UK cost money to attend? I know that in some parts of Europe they don't cost money. Its my understanding that an entry fee isn't something that PUI determines for tournaments held outside of the US. They have LD's in each country, and they are solely responsible for OP in that country. Correct?

As to the money part. Things are cheaper in the US than in parts of Europe. Some things here sell for 1/2 as much as the exact some products sells for in Europe. Basically you get more bang for you buck in the US than in a lot of European countries. So that helps even out any aditional expense incurred by Europeans who have to fly here.

Personally I don't think Worlds in Hawaii makes much sense, however Hawaii is part of the US so PUI didn't have to deal with any of the issues of holding an event outside of the US. Also it is still probably cheaper for most Americans to go to Hawaii then it is for them to go to Europe.

Time zone is probably one of the biggest concerns. The UK is 8 hours ahead of Seattle.

 

[afstandopleren]

Everyone is affected by the timezones as soon as they go to in Worlds in any location, so unless jet lag is a major concern, I don't see it being a real issue.

And yes, everyone will have to pay traveling costs, there is simply NO WAY to cut it short as there will always be people who have to travel literally half the globe to get to the Worlds no matter where it's held or how you put it.

 

[drmario]

Everyone is affected by the timezones as soon as they go to in Worlds in any location, so unless jet lag is a major concern, I don't see it being a real issue.

And yes, everyone will have to pay traveling costs, there is simply NO WAY to cut it short as there will always be people who have to travel literally half the globe to get to the Worlds no matter where it's held or how you put it.

I was refering to the PUI staff. Not the players.