Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Black and White Rules in Reguards to Naitonals

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The best solution for this has to be an HGSS on format but I really dont see that happening till the current season is over...I also would hate to see a midseason rotation just because it throws out so many cards which is fine when a season is over but over half way through would just be aweful I think. But would I rather have a format full of donks or midseason rotation? I guess I dont know.
 
Naki Feralkin said:
^ You're gonna have stragglers from Nationals winning off of the bad format who aren't part of the best at Worlds who will get owned by said adaptation and may just end up complaining about it.
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That's the catch-22 though, isn't it -- there will be a wave of complaints no matter which course of action is taken.
 
Naki Feralkin said:
^ You're gonna have stragglers from Nationals winning off of the bad format who aren't part of the best at Worlds who will get owned by said adaptation and may just end up complaining about it.
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All the more reason to do it :D
Im sooo looking forward to seeing all the bad players who were "sucessful" this season and think they are good fall on their faces next season. It will be sooo incredibly rewarding :3
 
Yoshi- said:
All the more reason to do it :D
Im sooo looking forward to seeing all the bad players who were "sucessful" this season and think they are good fall on their faces next season. It will be sooo incredibly rewarding :3
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Be carefull, if we get a SF-on rotation it will take another year.
Can you imagine one more season with Gengar/Machamp/Luxray/Garchomp/Gyarados around?

I can and it's giving me nightmares.
Like if 3 years of hearing Fainting spell wasn't enough and 2 years of Bright Look.:mad:
 
astewart said:
Can't Attack First turn.

Problem Solved.
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Its not quite that easy....

I dont need to attack t1 to win a game.

4 bats, 40 damage
4 turns 40 damage
4 junk arm, 40 damage
4 SSU, possible 40 damage
4 Pokeblower+, possible 40 damage
4-4-4 Kingdra line, 40 damage
1 seeker, 10 damage
spiritomb (psychic) up to 60 damage

As you can see damage output can still be considerable. The above suggestion could net from 180 damage up to 310 damage. All this without attacking. (I think I just accidentally built a deck) How many basics you gonna lay in your first turn to prevent me from benching you.

So your simple theory does not, in fact, solve the problem.

Jimmy
 
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Jimmy, you forgot the 4 Blowers, but I agree with that.

What about the "invisible wall" solution? Player going first cannot do anything that affects the opponent. Including Cyrus and Judge. They can set up everything they want, but the invisible wall makes all opponent effects fizzle.
 
bullados said:
Jimmy, you forgot the 4 Blowers, but I agree with that.

What about the "invisible wall" solution? Player going first cannot do anything that affects the opponent. Including Cyrus and Judge. They can set up everything they want, but the invisible wall makes all opponent effects fizzle.
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Well, blowers are risky as they depend on a coin flip. Theoretically you could do 40 more damage with them, but you could also end up doing nothing. You're generally going to average 20, and this doesn't count for if you want to use a double blower to get a better Pokemon active.

Of course that also doesn't account for throwing in a 1-1-1 line of Kingdra Prime to do another 10 damage if you have the bench space (which really, at this point you shouldn't). It'd be an extremely clunky tech, but I could totally see a league kid trying to pull it off.

I like the invisible wall idea, but as with pretty much any compromise that has been or will be suggested, there will be kids who just don't understand why their Judge doesn't hurt their opponent on the first turn. At its basic level, Pokemon is a game where you're trying to beat your opponent by whatever means you have available. Limiting those means causes confusion and discord.
 
Since we didn't hear anything from P!P with the new rules revealed in the released theme decks, I can only think the rules will be effective at the date the set is released (april 25).

Time to prepare my Nationals deck.
4 Spiritomb
4 Call nrg
4 Collector
4 Bebe
10-12 other basics to avoid donks.
10 more nrg

That leaves about 22 spots to play the cards I really like, should be possible.
 
This wont safe you, the only thing that cansave you is sableye so you can go first on a coinflip. Then you can collector to prevent the donk. But you might as well donk yourself. If this shouldd really happen I wont play nationals and Im the current title holder and its 10 minutes from my home... :/
 
It helped me at least to survive this season.

To be more consistant in surviving the first 1-2 turns

4 Spiritomb
4 Sableye
4 Call nrg
4 Collector
4 Bebe
8 other basics to avoid donks. which 2 of them are Oddish and 2 Uxie and 1 Unown DArk)
10 more nrg (dark prefered)
2 Gloom
2 Vileplume (why not try to lock anyway)
4 BTS


That leaves about 14 spots to play the cards I really like including supporters.
Not enough to make something really unexpected.
But my deck is almost ready:lol:
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
As a player I think that mid-season rotation to HGSS-on is the best possible solution. As a poke-dad who has to have cards for multiple decks I wouldn't mind a rotation. However I don't think that it's going to happen.

The powers that be work by a businesses model that's only partly based on copetitive play and even less so on what Japan does.

In all honesty I wish that we did things EXACTLY like Japan does as far as the way sets are released, packaging and all. Their starter decks, with shiny level X, Primes, etc. are far better than our Tins & starter decks. Their packs are better. Their card stock is better. In nealry every way Japan's product is superior to what we get.

I would be more than willing to try events done the Japanese way too. 30 card decks? Fine by me. Rotation event where you stand in line to play? Sure.

Do I ever think any of this will happen? Nope.
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This is why Pokemon will always be the #3 TCG behind MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh. Their rules are consistent no matter where you go (especially MTG since it was created here in USA). This whole process is a joke. It should have been been dealt with last rotation with RR-on after not having a rotation the previous year. TPCI only has it's own interests in mind, not the players or the state of the game. They announce NOTHING to prepare us, and expect us to keep shelling out cash to cover their stupidity.
 
pokemaster1970 said:
TPCI only has it's own interests in mind, not the players or the state of the game.
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TPCI has a LOT of different interests to consider when it makes its decisions. While player satisfaction and state of the game are among those interests, they have to weigh in many other factors. Set release times are something that are very difficult to control, obviously they wanted to keep the BW card game release near the videogame launch but not before, so we're ending up getting B/W at an inconvenient time for the format.

A big problem with card games (any competitive game really) is balance. Keeping a game balanced requires forethought on the creators part but it is also reactive. Players think up strange, sometimes amazing combos the creators could not have foreseen, so they release other cards to keep those strategies in check. The effect this has on the Pokemon TCG is particularly harsh because outside of Japan, release of these critical game balancing cards are not always consistent.

Besides releasing counter cards, you can also ban/restrict current cards, as many other card games do, or issue erratas (changes to existing card's text) Historically, Pokemon has been against banning individual cards, but not beyond issuing an errata, but only when the text in mistranslated.

I'm sure all the important people at TPCI are deep in thought weighing in on all the factors for our format for nationals and worlds. Until they make an official announcement (whether that be pushing back the rules change or a mid-season rotation, or something else entirely) everyone can keep doing all the speculation they like. For now, we can play the waiting game.
 
Cetra said:
you all misunderstand. I'm ABDICATING the HGSS cut because as far as I'm aware, Japan went through with the cut and nothing bad happened.
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What exactly are you abdicating?

"ABDICATE:
1. (of a monarch) To renounce one's throne: "in 1918 Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated as German emperor".
2. Fail to fulfill or undertake (a responsibility or duty)."

I believe the term you're looking for is advocate.


Honestly, I think that a mid-season rotation would be wildly popular with some people and wildly unpopular with others. Just like every other solution. We'll have a couple of months of an unbalanced format filled with donks. Then, we'll rotate. I think it's safe to assume we'll at least rotate Platinum back, if not more. The cards causing the imbalance (ALL of them) will be gone, and the game will slow down. Enjoy the frenzy now, because we'll be back to most decks needing 3-4 energy for their main attack. Yes, we'll have Yanmega/Jumpluff/Kingdra/Donphan running around with their low cost mayhem. But 2 of the 4 are in some way disadvantaged by going against fire decks. Jumpluff by weakness and low HP, Kingdra by its attack's drawback. Yanmega requires a steady set of Supporters, and most of its support Pokemon are weak to fire. So really Donphan's going to be the problem.

TL;DR: Fire's gonna be big.
 
Arceus would become massive, and it abuses energy attachments so badly in a slowed format that 6 prizes in 9 turns isn't completely out of the question.
 
I hate going through and reading threads like this. Everyone complaining "Oh this game sucks because SP and Uxie are in it". So? This game is tons of fun and the reason you all play it should be for the same reason. Sure, donk decks will be a little common, but so? Get over it and feel sorry for the person who has to play a donk deck to win. I, for one would never quit this game just because the format looks like this.

I personally love the gamestate, and for those of you do not, just wait for next year, when SP, Gengar, Champ, Sableye, AND Uxie have been rotated out.

2 cents
 
Blitzer said:
Sure, donk decks will be a little common, but so?
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I don't know if this is a joke, I hope it is.

I myself will never quit this game, but there are plenty of people that won't mind quitting to play Yu-Gi-oH or Magic. I already see it happening, and we haven't even seen the b&W rules used in the current format. A game where 50% of the time you don't even get a turn isn't fun.
 
GodBlessAmerica said:
I don't know if this is a joke, I hope it is.

I myself will never quit this game, but there are plenty of people that won't mind quitting to play Yu-Gi-oH or Magic. I already see it happening, and we haven't even seen the b&W rules used in the current format. A game where 50% of the time you don't even get a turn isn't fun.
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To be honest, players that truly have respect for the game like you and I will never play Donk dex for nats. So the Little I meant was the bunch of ridiculous noobs who have no respect for a good game.
 
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