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Blissey too strong?

Tego said:
Blissey too strong?

Right now? Yes, maybe. But not really. After SW? No, not at all.

Blissey was the top deck in Japan until DP3's release. Before DP3's release, there was one counter deck to it. After DP3, two good archetypes who counter it exist (one of them who completely crushes Blissey).

One of the Blissey counter decks (which is like 60-40 against Blissey I guess, just barely a counter) is already available for anyone to make in our current format (it's an MT based deck). The other one (which is like 80-20 against Blissey) is available for everyone starting November.

Get your creative hats on and throw away your sour grapes, there's always a counter. We only have to look a little bit into the future (Japan) to have that confirmed. ;) Although I have to say the lack of Cursed Stone in our format makes those Japanese anti-Blissey-winners a bit weaker in our format. Let's wait and see.
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Japan was/is using a different format while Blissey was strong there/
It makes a heck of a difference if you can use cards from other sets and the lack of cursed stone is one of them.
 
Blissey has won every battle road in Florida? I don't know what that means. Does that mean that the Florida players can't find a way to beat it? I would think that Florida's metagame would be ever changing since they would find counters to the big deck at the time, and then counters to those counters. Not every state has that quality of players in it.
 
Prime said:
Blissey has won every battle road in Florida? I don\'t know what that means. Does that mean that the Florida players can\'t find a way to beat it? I would think that Florida\'s metagame would be ever changing since they would find counters to the big deck at the time, and then counters to those counters. Not every state has that quality of players in it.
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Now, seeing as how you seem like a reasonable person, i KNOW you just did not say that FL has low quality players
Battle Roads or for sharpening your skills and testing your decks, and most FL players prefer Blissey and its different variants
So, they like blissey down here in FL, and will tend to use it more
 
My post was not meant to put down Florida players but the opposite. If Florida players are all playing Blissey, then it must be one of the best decks in the format if not the best deck (I'm not being facetious here). But I know the quality of the Florida players and I am shocked that any one deck is dominating. When Flariados was dominating, they came up with R-Gon. I find it interesting that they haven't come up with a good counter to Blissey yet.

Maybe they have, but they are holding onto it until cities.
 
Prime said:
My post was not meant to put down Florida players but the opposite. If Florida players are all playing Blissey, then it must be one of the best decks in the format if not the best deck (I\'m not being facetious here). But I know the quality of the Florida players and I am shocked that any one deck is dominating. When Flariados was dominating, they came up with R-Gon. I find it interesting that they haven\'t come up with a good counter to Blissey yet.

Maybe they have, but they are holding onto it until cities.
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I figured I missread your post, I didnt mean to sound accusing
Not many serious attempts at an Anti-Blissey deck have been made, surprisingly

We had Candythoy (one of anthoy\'s decks) that was supposed to be a \"counter\"
Unfortunatly, he refused to listen to the advice of 5+ people, and his deck didnt work well enough to be a counter

Project Evo is a good Blissey counter, it just couldnt beat Aggro Blissey because it relied on Stevens Advice for draw, and Aggro Bliss usually had 1-3 pokemon out at a time

Psyco created Avarice in another attempt to make an anti Blissey deck, and it has yet to see tournoment play
Test games, however, have shown considerable promise

Other than that, you are right, not many Anti-Blissey decks have shown up
 
Face it. There are no good blissey counters that can't be countered as well. The only way to win is to play better. If everyone spends all their time/card slots trying to counter other decks, the metagame will only become more boring. Example:

The answer to Cessation crystal is Windstorm, so people that play powers run 3-4 Windstorm.

what ends up happening is, everyone plays powers and has 3-4 wasted spots (could be used for something else but this is an extreme example) or cessation and windstorm cancel each other in spot possitions.

The point is not to counter blissey, but either build a better deck or play better. i'd say 50% of games are not won because of decks but because of players. Right now the people that are winning with blissey aren't winning just because it's blissey. They are good players with a good deck. Be a better player with a good deck
 
chriscobi634 said:
My aren't any silly device, just facts. Blissey supports will do that, support the deck against all odds. It has happened before here in the gym with Metanite and possibly others. What ever counter you throw at them they have an answer. I was just waiting for someone to say that they were going to start playing buffer piece in their blissey so that it would be better then Krick. The thing is we only have 60 cards to a deck, so you can't possibly fit all those counters in Blissey. The deck is only second to krick and a possible tie with lucario.

If you say you have a Ghost that resists colorless, they have Holon FF + fighting. If you say you have a fighting pokemon, they have Holon FF + fire. If you have a Ghost like Gengar that places damage counters, they have have Holon WP + W. If you have something that gives it a special condition, they have Holon GL + grass. If you have a faster/more consistent deck like Krick they have the buffer piece for that. There is no answer to Blissey, it is the BDIF :)rolleyes:).

That is the approach that will continue to happen for about 5-7 pages from here on out. Unless we can all agree that Blissey is one of the top 3 decks in the format, heck possibly even number 1 depending on your metagame. But what happens at regionals, nats, worlds? we will see with future sets being released and a wider metagame. It can't possibly tech for everything and stay as consistent as it is at the same time.
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Someone may have answered this already, but the best non-Blissivire Blissey there is, runs Potion, Buffer, FF, WP, Vaporeon *, ect... and no Delcatty. The Delcatty version is also insanely good, but doesn't really have much room for heal.

For the moment, I honestly Beleive it is the BDIF, unless your Metagame has Magnezone/Gyrados as a deck. Krick and Lucario varients are incredibly easy to beat. The hardest match-up for SoloBliss is really R-gon.
 
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Thatz not true. Blissey is the best deck for the format right now because theres no decent fighting counters with the exception of lucario. Personally a speed lucario deck can take blissey head to head anyday. I'm a florida player. I run Blissey, I've seen it lose before. Lucario Rampardos knocked me outta the finals at Winter Haven. Dropped Lake Boundaries every other turn and hit me for the KO so soon. I only played WP at the first one because no one knew blissey's real power. Somehow they caught me off guard and hit me one right after another. ended up getting 4 prizes off of me before i got one.
 
skarmory777 said:
let me gues. HURRICANE???? haha. I saw eric craig at my battle roads. he took a hurricane deck out with his MIND!!!!
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No, Hurricane loses to Blissy.

And I heard that Eric Craig's sister was PLAYING Hurricane. :lol:

Blissey too strong?

Right now? Yes, maybe. But not really. After SW? No, not at all.

Blissey was the top deck in Japan until DP3's release. Before DP3's release, there was one counter deck to it. After DP3, two good archetypes who counter it exist (one of them who completely crushes Blissey).

One of the Blissey counter decks (which is like 60-40 against Blissey I guess, just barely a counter) is already available for anyone to make in our current format (it's an MT based deck). The other one (which is like 80-20 against Blissey) is available for everyone starting November.

Get your creative hats on and throw away your sour grapes, there's always a counter. We only have to look a little bit into the future (Japan) to have that confirmed. ;) Although I have to say the lack of Cursed Stone in our format makes those Japanese anti-Blissey-winners a bit weaker in our format. Let's wait and see.
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Could you please tell us what these so called "great" blissy counters are?
 
ok, the deck i've been working on would force Blissey to have the following to counter my deck:

Holon FF + Fire + Fighting
Holon WP + Water
Boost to quickly KO my pokemon
All this by T3

The only build I see right now that can run that is the Delcatty version. Which I run Cess. Crystal, and TGW to try and help disrupt their "setup". I don't want to keep discussing how Blissey can get all that T3 I just want to see who is the first who is going to say that it can pull all that off T2, any takers. The one thing that is kind of disturbing me is how we (those who aren't pro blissey) still acknowledge that Blissey could possibly the BDIF, and the ones that are pro blissey are defending it probably more then they would defend their own lives.:nonono::mad::confused::rolleyes:
 
blissey counter? sableye + ariados & some octillery to get those nasty holon wp in the discard.

so you can deal with blissey, but what about the other decks? STOP thinking of counters to blissey, and START playing Pokemon. If you don't like blissey (i don't) then build another deck (i have). something that will do okay against other popular decks. sure, maybe a deck will emerge that will counter blissey, but then there will be yet another to counter the counter.

Build a good deck. learn to play it. stop whining.

Records don't lie. I assume that people are already trying to counter Blissey in Florida/Texas and failing. This is a waste of time. I want to see some new ideas instead of having a hypothetical match where both side always has an answer.
 
Rocket_Spenser said:
blissey counter? sableye + ariados & some octillery to get those nasty holon wp in the discard.

so you can deal with blissey, but what about the other decks? STOP thinking of counters to blissey, and START playing Pokemon. If you don't like blissey (i don't) then build another deck (i have). something that will do okay against other popular decks. sure, maybe a deck will emerge that will counter blissey, but then there will be yet another to counter the counter.

Build a good deck. learn to play it. stop whining.

Records don't lie. I assume that people are already trying to counter Blissey in Florida/Texas and failing. This is a waste of time. I want to see some new ideas instead of having a hypothetical match where both side always has an answer.
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i agree with you 100% that's why I'm testing my Lucario variant against Blissey this Friday, since I that is when I would be able to. You say trying to counter it is a waste of time, how? By typing stuff up here to suggest counters isn't wasting time. Or would you rather have everyone play Blissey and the best build/hands win? What a great format that would be!:rolleyes:

I had not heard or read about the Healing Blissey version, it most likely plays SSU, right? If it does then it just gets a whole lot harder to beat, but I will not stop trying to build counters. Here are a few ideas:

Magmortor, you can use smoke bomb to try and stall and have them use their healing resources up. Then KO with Flame Drum, since the Magmar does 20. So 20+30+80=130, you throw a couple of strength charmds/plus powers. Then the Lv X could probably take on one itself, but the long run is where I feel the deck would get beaten.

Ninetales (3D/P,1 DF) it can hit for a quick 60 while only losing 1 NRG and you can just attach it next turn. So again, strength charms/plus powers could help, and the vulpix can put it to sleep.

Machamp (PK) which can hit it for 70, so the Str. Ch./PPs can help against the healing.

Mismagius with a T2 DRE can hit it for some good damage and force your opponent to have the Holon FF + Fighting that same turn for the resistance.

and I will continue to reseach more.
 
Tego said:
One of the Blissey counter decks (which is like 60-40 against Blissey I guess, just barely a counter) is already available for anyone to make in our current format (it's an MT based deck). The other one (which is like 80-20 against Blissey) is available for everyone starting November.
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The first is kinda an obvious choice, but...

The second. Doesn't Holon WP cause problems for the counter, 'cause that messes up the first attack, and the second attack of the main pokemon is only going to get 1, maybe 2 KOs?

Or am I looking at the wrong stage 2 pokemon?
 
I assume you (Rai) are looking at Gallade. In that case, yes, Holon WP stops the first attack. But Blissey can only have so much Holon WP energy, most play FF, and Gallade's Psycho Cut only needs 2 prizes to be turned for the OHKO - and only Holon FF prevents that. If they play that they likely dont have WP. Choices, Choices...
 
It's Battle Roads, I'd rather have this now than an infested format for Nationals (hopefully whatever set we get before Nats doesn't ruin the format for the third straight year). SW is a great set and it's going to change a lot, there's going to be things that beat Blissey, but there's also things that are going to combo with it.
 
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