Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Chaw - States $300 Travel Awards Do Not Pass Down

I would have to agree with mewsmom and others on this subject, if a person is only allowed one reward for State's, then it should be passed down to the 2nd place person automatically. Otherwise, it's up to the 1st place player and their ideals/morals to decide whether on not to let someone else win. People shouldn't be penalized for traveling around and playing in more then one venue... I'm going to 6 SC's- if by some miracle I won one, I'd still go to the others. I'm not out to get money and recoup my costs, lol... look at my signature and figure out how much gas money ALONE have spent on this game since 8/28/04. (My car gets 20 mpg city, 30 mpg hwy for those who wanna figure it out)

In one sense, I do feel like Ash, traveling all around the US for this game. Most of the time, I even have friends with me and we try and take the top spots at the tournaments. What would I do if I had a chance to win a 2nd SC some may ask... simple- I'd drop and let the other person have it, unless they sincerely wanted to face me.
 
Patriarch said:
But Adam, under the rules is the Spirit of the Game code...

In this case, Spirit of the Game>>>>Bribery. If a previous winner is about to win the game, but instead scoops and lets his opponent win, if he/she demands, say, the state trophy in exchange for this act, then the sportsmanship coming from this individual far outweighs the "bribery" he or she "requires."

Like stated by many in the past, Spirit of the Game is somewhat vague, but here's a situation where its unclear meaning helps all people involved!
Click to expand...

So does the "spirit of the game" allowe us to ignore rules...?
 
SD PokéMom said:
Why, if you can only get a SINGLE $300 travel allowance?

'mom
Click to expand...

Why? Why not, because you can. The prizes are there for
Everyone. Regardless of if you won a previous event or not. What if winning means a little bit more than the $300 check...?
 
I think the problem is, you win another first you get a trophy and tons of goodies plus a lot of boosters. If you drop you're entitled to really, nothing unless the other person is nice enough to give you something.
 
Last edited:
Travel Allowance Passed down Thread

Ok this is why I started this thread early February. Now my question has an official answer. I do have mixed feelings on this. But what is the policy on what Professor Chris said:

Although, if I meet a family members in the finals I probably would drop (assuming I've won one by then) just so we could have some extra travel allowance to offset the cost of Origins – Professor Chris
Click to expand...

If more than 1 family member(same residence and stuff) won a State Championship do they both get 2 travel awards? I mean after all they are more than likely to stay in the same hotel and will be traveling together so it doesnt seem fair that they could win more than 1 travel award.

Overall I do like the policy that Magic the Gathering has for its Junior Championship Qualifier series is that if you have won a championship/scholarship 1st or 2nd place award you are not allowed to enter another Junior Championship Qualifier. I think Pokemon would benefit from a similar stance.
 
Last edited:
Why, if a $300 award is listed as the prize, wouldn't POP award that prize reagardless of whether or not the winner had won another states?

If the prize doesn't flow down then it should be awarded to the winner.

The simple solution would be to mandate that all states be on the same day.
 
Last edited:
Ice'Cold said:
So does the "spirit of the game" allowe us to ignore rules...?
Click to expand...

Honestly I believe it does, because Spirit of the Game is a rule. If there are two rules that conflict, then wouldn't the one with more say and power (aka SotG) outweigh the other?

So therefore it wouldn't be considered bribery to take the trophy but relinquish the title. It would be Spirit of the Game.
 
Bottom line is this PUI, for all the right things they have done so far with OP, have stubbed their toes on this one. They should make the $300 travel allowance trickle down like last year in Stadium challenges, etc. Most of us "harder core" folks who travel to venues for themselves or children, they drop more than $300 for these trips. Hotels, gas, food, fun time....it all adds up to being "addicted" (maybe not the best word) to a great game. Why wouldn't PUI want as many as possible to come to Origins for their NATIONAL championship?? Last I saw, it looked like about 38-40 states x 3 age groups. Max output (if all winners/qualifiers went to OH) = 120 x $300= $36,000. I dont think the budget would be busted on that prize. Plus, we ALL know that not every winner/qualifier will go to Ohio for Nats. Plus, those that are gonna to go to Nats will probably go whether or not they get a travel allowance. The allowance is icing, pure and simple. Tell me 1 person who can find a hotel room for 4 days, a 4 day Origins pass, food, fun etc for less than $300 in the Columbus OH area?? Therefore, NO ONE will be denied to chance to GO to Nats if they dont win the travel allowance. It merely HELPS. Come on PUI...do the right thing...let it trickle down!! Therefore, no possible "watered down" State champs from wk 2 and 3! JMHO

Keith
 
Sorry but if i have the opertunity to win more than one state im gonna take it. Its no skin off my back if someone else doesnt get the 300 dollars. If he wants it then he should beat me for it. And thats that.
Dave III
 
AXE said:
Sorry but if i have the opertunity to win more than one state im gonna take it. Its no skin off my back if someone else doesnt get the 300 dollars. If he wants it then he should beat me for it. And thats that.
Dave III
Click to expand...


I agree with that.
 
Well, sure you can win if you have the chance, but is not fair to the person who has nothing, yet the person who won a state already has everything. So in all honesty, i think that its best to just concede so that way the person gets something they deserve for atleast making the finals.
 
supertyranitar said:
Well, sure you can win if you have the chance, but is not fair to the person who has nothing, yet the person who won a state already has everything. So in all honesty, i think that its best to just concede so that way the person gets something they deserve for atleast making the finals.
Click to expand...
Well think of it like this do u get things handed to u in life. NO! So why should u in pokemon. Im sorry but if i win a State and im in the finals of another my opponent is gonna have to really beat me if the want the prize. No matter what.
Dave III
 
ALot of people wont like this but there are really only 2 fair solutions to this problem:

1 - If a player has won a State Championship and travel award they can still compete in another and if that player happens to win again, then the travel award gets passed down.

This will keep competitors competing for POP rankings and standings and also trophies but it also allows another player the chance to obtain the travel award.

I beleive in last years Nationals in the 10 and under the Top 8 had already won invites and trips to Worlds and PUI allowed the next player to earn an invite and trip. Correct me if Im wrong but I think that is what happend.

2 - A person that has already won a travel award/trip cannot compete in another Championship.

Like I stated before, Wotc does this with the Magic Junior Championship Series. This way there are no ifs ands or buts about winning again or blocking the chance for another player to win the $500 scholarship.

Considering that the next round of Pokemon Championship series will involve scholarships, PUI needs to make a tough decision on this. Because if it is handled like States, then that is very unfair that a player that has already won a scholarship may block another player's chances of winning.

I am steadfast on these 2 scenarios. Really its the only fair way. The current method is unacceptable as it blocks other players chances of winning and promotes cut throat competition which goes against the SOTG. :nonono:
 
AXE said:
Well think of it like this do u get things handed to u in life. NO! So why should u in pokemon. Im sorry but if i win a State and im in the finals of another my opponent is gonna have to really beat me if the want the prize. No matter what.
Dave III
Click to expand...
Well i know this, but Pokemon is just a game, and good sportsmanship should be shown more than wanting to win. Thats how i feel about this.
 
What is more pointed is the fact that most likely this will not be an issue for ANY of the people debating on this board.

I know that there are great players with the capability of taking more than one state title, but the reality is with only 40 states, and that many great 11-14 and 15+ players, I would be amazed to see the same person take 2 or 3 titles.


Where does that leave the problem? 10-.

Many regions just do not have the 10- player coverage that some regions do. Even for gyms we were seeing attendances for 10- that were, frankly, 10 or under.

It is much more likely for a player, especially a superior player, in 10- to get 2 or more titles.

So, it would seem extremely unfair that multiple 10- players get shut out of nationals travel, just on account of a few good players. But that will happen under the current scenario.

I just know my kids will NOT be allowed to win multiple times at my own events...I do not want to handle the PR from that (oh, look, Andrew won Missouri, and now he won Tennessee...I wonder who the TO is??? his dad?? surprise, surprise)

Which means..the only event where they will be allowed to win multiple times, is....Mississippi....

Man! I cannot wait for that event...Lynch v. Krekeler....Schell v. Krekeler....Schell v. Lynch...and if the Whites travel down WOOT CHAW...Krekeler v. White...Krekeler v. Mitchell....

So many family battles that it could be TOO MUCH FUN!!!

Chaw.

M45
 
Meg45

Your right to a point. But see there's also Regionals that we have to go through that also give a $300 travel allowance & badge to Nationals that will not pass down either. So with a few of us doing the travel again, we run into some of the same situations.

Either way, we already know how we'll handle if the opportunity arises.
 
Well, my stand on Regionals and dropping out takes a complete 180. I wouldn't drop out at Regionals for ANYTHING (except maybe a family member who hasn't gotten travel allowance...maybe >__>).

I really feel no sympathy for 2nd place and the loss of 300$ travel allowance. They just got a scolarship equivilant to 1st and a paid trip+invite to Worlds too! So what if you can't attend Origins (or it costs more for you to)? You're going to Worlds! 1st and 2nd place are nearly identical. The only difference is 1st place trophy vs. 2nd place trophy and the Travel Allowance+Origins 4-day pass. And perhaps whatever swag they choose to add in later.

Now the arguement here could be: "Well, 1st place already has a 300$ travel allowance, and since the prizes are practically the same..."
So you could forfeit and be no better off than if you won really (not counting Ranking points). But there is definately alot of pride and sense of accomplishment in taking 1st in a Regional event. Again, its hard to pity second place when they just got what you did, minus some potential swag.
 
I agree with you Chris. But you know there's always going to be those who consider that to be greedy. I just hate for someone to think my kids were greedy if they had the opportunity to win a State, 2nd State or a Regionals or so on in there. We play this game for titles & fun. My kids and everyone else's deserve those Titles they fought for regardless of how many they've won previous.

Guess not everyone in the Poke World is going to like ya! :eek:
 
I'm glad CO States is the 1st weekend.

I agree with JBlaze (trickle down or no re-competing).

At our 4 CO CCs that my top players attended, we offered incentives for previous CC Champs to drop before the playoff (boosters, free draft tournament, etc). The incentives were good enough so that there were 12 UNIQUE CC Champs in CO.

Depending on the situation, a final-round concession MUST be investigated to determine if bribery or collusion was involved. It's just not natural for a player to compete all day, then concede at the end. Do that at my tournament and you WILL be investigated.

IMO, if you're a previous States Champ and you're considering conceding if you make it to the finals, you'd BETTER drop before the playoff cutoff to avoid the appearance of collusion. If you end up playing your family member or friend in the finals and you concede, you'll should definately be reported to POP. It might not be against the rules, but it's certainly suspicious behavior that should be tracked for trends of misconduct.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top