Chaw - States $300 Travel Awards Do Not Pass Down

[meganium45]

The problem is that City Championships have no real "power" associated with the title.

I know of one player who won the city in "smalltown" missouri who refuses to be identified with the title. When asked where he won his City Champ, he simply says "Missouri"

With State Titles, I am sorry, it means something as a player. To be the UNDISPUTED best player in Missouri, or Colorado, or Illinois....means something to most competitive players.

That is definitely tarnished if you are the best player in Illinois, only because Axe, ness, Chuck, Jimmy and Colin dropped!?!

Once again, when you talk about "smaller" states, there may be issues, but for States, I really see a mountain being made out of NOTHING. There will not be that many multiple winners, and for those who don't win, try your luck at regionals.

I don't think ANYONE will drop at regionals (scholarship money)

M45

 

[mewsmom]

IMO, if you're a previous States Champ and you're considering conceding if you make it to the finals, you'd BETTER drop before the playoff cutoff to avoid the appearance of collusion. If you end up playing your family member or friend in the finals and you concede, you'll should definately be reported to POP. It might not be against the rules, but it's certainly suspicious behavior that should be tracked for trends of misconduct.

What's the need for investigation? You choose to take a loss in top 2. How's that different than dropping any earlier?

 

[Professor_Chris]

I'll definately forfeit to a family member who has not won an allowance yet. Be it finals or semi-finals. They haven't asked me to or offered me anything in return. Also, after/if I win a first one if I'm poised to take a second one I'll ask my opponent first if he plans to attend Origins, secondly if the answer is yes I'll ask them if they would like me to forfiet. I'd probably do it w/o anything in return if its someone I know, but I do have to say I would probably want the prize bag. =/ Is that really such a big deal that I would want to drop and allow someone else to have the 300$? Does it matter if they are family/friend or a complete stranger?

I wouldn't drop before cut-offs. I literally have no control over whats going on in the OTHER matches so I can't control who I'd face in the finals to "collude" with. I'll offer anyone the same chances for me to drop assuming they're going and have not won a States yet (assuming I have and its not the MS State Champs :tongue.

I also think that prize split discussions should be allowed in this case with HJ present to keep things on the up-and-up. =/

I have a hard time letting a perfectly good 300$ check go to waste when I know somebody could put it to good use.

 

[Martin]

Bottom line: Why reward people who don't get first, by taking away from people who do it multiple times. Geez, talk about contradicting the "BE A POKEMON MASTER" thing.

 

[SteveP]

What's the need for investigation? You choose to take a loss in top 2. How's that different than dropping any earlier?

You need to put this into context. For example, let's say that after you've won a States, you make it to the finals in your second States. If you're facing your spouse, there's a financial motive to concede.

Now, in your 3rd States, you again make it to the finals against your kid.

Concessions in those situations were done for financial gain. That's Gamemanship, something frowned upon by the rules.

It's just not natural to compete rigorously all day long only to concede in the finals. Single acts of concessions my seem innocent, but if there are trends of conceding in the finals, misconduct may be at play.

That's all I'm saying here.

 

[mewsmom]

You need to put this into context. For example, let's say that after you've won a States, you make it to the finals in your second States. If you're facing your spouse, there's a financial motive to concede.

Now, in your 3rd States, you again make it to the finals against your kid.

Concessions in those situations were done for financial gain. That's Gamemanship, something frowned upon by the rules.

It's just not natural to compete rigorously all day long only to concede in the finals. Single acts of concessions my seem innocent, but if there are trends of conceding in the finals, misconduct may be at play.

That's all I'm saying here.

I see your point but, even if one doesn't concede and loss the game straight out, there's those who will wonder just like you are doing & saying. If PUI was worried about being Frauded out it would have other policy's into effect.

So in the end your saying families with multiple players should only be allowed to win 1 Travel allowance per family! My kids work hard for their wins- they deserve whatever is due to them and shouldn't be denied a prize because of the genes.

 

[SteveP]

Also, after/if I win a first one if I'm poised to take a second one I'll ask my opponent first if he plans to attend Origins, secondly if the answer is yes I'll ask them if they would like me to forfiet. I'd probably do it w/o anything in return if its someone I know, but I do have to say I would probably want the prize bag. =/ Is that really such a big deal that I would want to drop and allow someone else to have the 300$? Does it matter if they are family/friend or a complete stranger?

Certainly, your first sentence is legal, if you stopped at that point.

Now, if I saw you walking around with the prize bag after conceding, I'd certainly investigate to see if that was part of an agreement for your concession (bribery, collusion). Prize swaps after the tournament are legal, so long as it wasn't part of an agreement to concede.

 

[SteveP]

So in the end your saying families with multiple players should only be allowed to win 1 Travel allowance per family! My kids work hard for their wins- they deserve whatever is due to them and shouldn't be denied a prize because of the genes.

Yes. Your kids deserve what they WIN, but not what their parents/siblings CONCEDE to them.

Pokemon families are a PLUS in our gaming community. I commend you.

 

[Professor_Chris]

Certainly, your first sentence is legal, if you stopped at that point.

Now, if I saw you walking around with the prize bag after conceding, I'd certainly investigate to see if that was part of an agreement for your concession (bribery, collusion). Prize swaps after the tournament are legal, so long as it wasn't part of an agreement to concede.

I said I'd want it, I didn't say I'd ask for it before hand. :tongue:
I'd probably guilt it out of them afterwards. :wink:
:lol: <-evil cackle

 

[Cyrus]

Sorry but if i have the opertunity to win more than one state im gonna take it. Its no skin off my back if someone else doesnt get the 300 dollars. If he wants it then he should beat me for it. And thats that.
Dave III

True, but why officially win the title when you can just let your opponent get the $300, and in exchange, take their trophy and card-winnings? =)

It's no skin off your back to win. It's even less skin off your back to win, forfeit, and take every single first and second place prize-winning other than the $300, which you wouldn't even get had you won one already!

 

[JohnnyBlaze]

This may not be new news to some but here is the official answer from POP:

POP Policy is that invitations and Worlds Travel Awards are "passed down" but that Travel Allowances and Event Admissions are not.

 

[Fantine]

Why dont they just pass down the 300 bucks and nothing else?


Kevin

 

[Ice'Cold]

True, but why officially win the title when you can just let your opponent get the $300, and in exchange, take their trophy and card-winnings? =)


It's no skin off your back to win. It's even less skin off your back to win, forfeit, and take every single first and second place prize-winning other than the $300,
which you wouldn't even get had you won one already!

See the problem there is you are NOT allowed to agree on splitting prizes in exchange for a concession before hand. If you concede nothing is guaranteed. Your opponent could simply take everything for themself and leave you with the mere prize support of second place...nothing really.