Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

How big will infernape 4/Luxray GL be?

Stigma said:
Do tell how you plan to get a flygon LV X out, when I stop you from ever drawing cards, and when you start attaching to a flygon, I'll bring it up and kill it.
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Actually, although my previous post clearly made it sound this way, Flygon Lv.X is not at all necessary to destroy Luxape. My list usually hits for 120+ by T3 with Power Swing, sometimes T2. Looks like an OHKO to me. Aaaand... I fail to see how you can "bring (Flygon) up and kill it" because the deck lacks the power to kill it. :p Unless you're talking about two-shotting it? At which point at least one of your attackers will already be dead? Good enough, I guess... Oh, and how do you plan on stopping me from ever drawing cards? I'm not THAT dependent on Claydol, you know, so Power Spray isn't the end of the world for Flygon.

In any case, I do admit that Luxape is a good deck. I'm actually attempting to build it at the moment to give it a try. However, there are two decks that it will lose to. Kingdra is one and a well-built Flygon is the other. You make a good argument, though.
 
Actually, Infernape can start Split Bombing turn 1, setting every Flygon-to-be up for a OHKO via Fire Spin. You can't Upper a level X either, although with Weavile up front charging, you wouldn't need to.

Although this match-up is not the best due to the threat of Extreme Attack and huge Power Swings, Infernape/Luxray still has plenty of tricks, and it has a lot more disruptive power and unassisted speed than Flygon. For one thing, Luxray GL lv. X would generally be Poketurned immediately after it comes into play, taking away the Flygon lv. X threat. Infernape 4 lv. X would only be dropped when a OHKO via Fire Spin was possible, and even if it got counter-KOed by Extreme Attack or a big Power Swing, it could be retrieved via Premier/Aaron's/Night Maintenance to reappear later. An early Bright Look to a Claydol will generally open up a lot of opportunities for the SP player to take control, especially if there are no fighting energy in the deck, which is actually not uncommon since Flygon/Weavile or Flygon with other techs like Mewtwo lv. X or Manectric seems more popular than the kind that try to use Gather Sand and the SW Flygon tech. If a Claydol can be locked for a while, the Infernape player can spread and postpone the appearance of a charged Flygon due to wasted energy drops on Claydol, or it can also just sacrifice something like Crobat G on a Warp Point, which conveniently would disable Upper. Also, Split Bombing ad nauseum is another way to get around Upper, because KOs are delayed and Flygon has to energize manually.

A tech Ninetales throws the match further into Luxray/Infernape's corner since it can become Colorless with its Power and do either 90 for 2 to a regular Flygon, or 120 for 2 to the level X. In either scenario, a OHKO is extremely possible with the aid of earlier Split Bombs and/or Crobat G drops.
 
LuxApe beats Flygon on pure speed alone. IF you do Power Swing T3, I will already have a Ape ready to do 100 plus Crobats and Skuntanks or from Split Bomb. Power Spray yor setup, and just destroys your draw and build ups.
 
Ninetails is soo good. I just wish I could find a way to keep Dialga and Ninetails in the same list.
Ugh. The choices are stupidly stupid. PCL should not make so many decks for me to have to tech against.
 
Politoed666 said:
Flygon pwns this deck.

• They cannot OHKO Flygon. It's too much of a tank.

I do 20-20, you are now in KO range. Oh yeah, WHAT A TANK!

• A decent Flygon list outspeeds a well-built Infernape 4/Luxray GL list.

What? What? WHAT? Oh my god. I'd like to see how you consistently can pull off 20-20 or 30 T1 OR T2 100 or 60/70 and drag out anything you want while your Claydol is KOd and your Uxie gets Spray'd.

• Once Flygon Lv.X hits the field, it's probably all over. Scenario: Flygon player has a benched Flygon in the early game with an energy attached and an active Weavile. Luxape player has an active Infernape 4 Lv.X and a benched Luxray GL Lv.X. Infernape kills Weavile. Flygon comes out, levels up, drops an Upper Energy, OHKOs Infernape 4 Lv.X. Luxape player sends out Luxray GL Lv.X, it does some damage. Flygon player drops an Energy and OHKOs Luxray GL Lv.X. Game over. Luxape can't recover, Flygon keeps bashing on through for the win.

You're missing that you never used Claydol, maybe got to use 1 uxie, and I meanwhile am doing 60/70/100 or spread 20-20 and when you get Flygon up i simply OHKO it with Ninetales :)

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So . . . did the Luxray/Infernape deck sneak through to the final without beating any Flygon decks?

I doubt it.
 
headsrcool said:
Please Shen, be serious, no winning deck will ever use a promo card. Promo cards have probably never been good. (At least right now, but I cannot remember any good promo EVER.)
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the magnazone that can hit for 120...

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i have a q: what is the stadium for this deck? i like pokemon contest hall, but lake boundary lets you one shot stuff. and team galactics hq makes it so you can 1 shot claydolls and ko kingdra's with a plus power (if they rare candied)
 
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baby mario said:
LOL . . . are you being sarcastic?

Luxray GL is the best LV X in RR.

Infernape doesn't need Heatran, and Luxray doesn't need Quagsire. Mostly, you will Split Bomb with Infernape, only using Fire Spin to get key KOs (which Luxray will go fetch for you). If you need to use it twice in a row, you have Flint. NM/Aaron will recover the Energy you discard just fine. With Luxray, if you need to use Flash Impact, you can put the damage on a Crobat G or something and Poke Turn it.

If anything, it is going to be Infernape that will be cut from the deck when we get Blaziken FB.
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Flygon is the best level x in RR
 
just becuase the flygon player won in canadian nats
doesnt mean that flygon BEATS luxape
hes obviously a better player... hence why he won

i think you guys need to stop and think about the word "match up" for a second

like "ZOMG GENGAR BEETZ EVERY DEK"
well... how about your gengar that gets a starting hand of baltoy and 6 energy
it can happen with any deck
there are so many factors involved in a win/loss that to sit here and say things like "FLYGON R00LZZ D9ODE, LUXAYPE SUXXZZZ" is just ridiculous
they are both solid, and imo, the player who has the best starting hand has the advantage, and the better player will end up winning.... unless he has a horrible hand that has no come back opportunity
 
It kinda depends on what you pair Flygon with, actually. The normal Flygon/Weavile variant might have difficulties.
 
Just curious but I keep hearing people saying that Ape
is the Main Attacker of the Deck so is it safe to Assume
that the Lines are as follows:

3-1 Ape
2-1 Ray

Also what about Dialga G, Toxitank, and Stadiums? To me
it seems to be to much effort to get out Dialga X. You must have
Warp/Turn/Switch in Hand, and then you got to Switch it
Again therefore you need another in order to Attack. I personally
would rather just not even play it. Although you do sacrifice
the advantage to the Gengar Matchup it's better not to play it.
I'm not really sure on what to say about Toxitank. They are very
bad Starters for the deck making you waste 1 of your Valueable
PokeTurns where you can repeatedly drop Luxray X for KO's.
The Stadiums can be good Especially GHQ where it combo's
with Bomb and Stark where it combo's with Rayquaza. What's
everyone's opinion on this?

Vs any deck I would try and Split Bomb right away to Baltoy and
there main Attacker and then the Next Turn KO Claydol with
Luxray X's attack.

Is this what you would Generally do?
 
jjkkl said:
It kinda depends on what you pair Flygon with, actually. The normal Flygon/Weavile variant might have difficulties.
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Resistance and the ability to OHKO helps assuming setup. Depends on precise lists, opening hands, etc.

Edit: theorymon is rather silly here. From what I've played, you have outs, and your opening hand determines what outs are open to you from the get-go. Every matchup is soooo opening-hand dependent, but the good thing is most hands are considered 'good.'
 
what do you guys think of adding Lake Boundary, Luxray Lv X's Flash Impact + Skuntanks Poison Struction OHKO's Kingdra. Oh and if you add Nintetales, that also OHKOs Flygon,
 
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