Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Island Hermit...Why aren't you playing it?

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Papi/Manny said:
Or you realize that your over-confident and maybe ideas outside of your own work better then yours.
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Well, waste your time then, it'll be your 0-3 drop, not mine.
 
I dont think Muk or others have said it is a SUPERIOR draw card to many others, just that it isnt a BAD draw card, has SOME advantages to other draw (ie, just before you draw a prize in a turn, use this draw to help target which prize may halp you more in that game!) and can be played in SOME decks.

Keith
 
Metal Master said:
*Too lazy to read thread, just going to give own input :tongue: *

For some decks, Island Hermit is helpful. For example, if you run a 1-0-1 tech line and half of it is prized, but you need it for a gurantee win in a game, how do you draw it? Shooting blind? Flip over 2, now its either in one of those 2 or one of the other 4. That makes it a 25% shot. Use another one. If you still haven't found it, you're sitting on a 50% shot. If you STILL can't draw that prize, then you KNOW where it is, regardless.

Is it the best draw? Never. Holon Engine and Mary's, etc. work better. However, it is so-so. And for the younger players/newer players, it works great for them. Flip over 2 prizes, draw 2 cards. Anybody can do that if they are able to play.
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There's only 1 deck where Hermit is good <3
 
BigChuck01 said:
The prize flipping part of the card is almost a negative. Giving your opponent info is always a bad thing.
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Can't the same argument be said about any card that discards a card (tv, any of the holon engine, ect.)? In fact, that gives them MORE of an advantage, because now they also know you have, at max, 3 of what ever card you just discarded that you can use durning the match.
Well, waste your time then, it'll be your 0-3 drop, not mine.
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Really? You quite sure? Okay then. I love being a heart breaker.
I dont think Muk or others have said it is a SUPERIOR draw card to many others, just that it isnt a BAD draw card, has SOME advantages to other draw (ie, just before you draw a prize in a turn, use this draw to help target which prize may halp you more in that game!) and can be played in SOME decks.

Keith
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Thats what I'm tring to get out, that its a playable and legit card that should be tested. It works well with decks that swarm, decks with tech, or decks that can't recover from lost cards.
 
Papi/Manny said:
Can't the same argument be said about any card that discards a card (tv, any of the holon engine, ect.)? In fact, that gives them MORE of an advantage, because now they also know you have, at max, 3 of what ever card you just discarded that you can use durning the match.
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well when you discard you have used the card if you flip your prizes your best tech may be in there and then they know the techs you have
 
yeah everyone loves the holon engine, but when it first came out, the same thing being said about island hermit was said about adventurer vs tv reporter, and most of the other cards in the engine...(except mentor, everyone aggreed it was a great card)... and flipping over your prizes. everyone says showing your opponent whats in your deck is so bad... but every supporter that is played now shows you opponent whats in your deck/hand...

Celios grab a poke SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Elms grab an Evo SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Mentor grab 3 basics SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Holon Reasearcher grab a delta or metal SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Scott...
castaway...
masterball...
dual ball...
greatball...
Holon Farmer..
should i continue??? okay
Holon Lass
Mr Stones
HolonTransciever
energy search
old rod
..if you mulligan... SHOW YOU OPPONENT YOUR HAND

So everyone making the argument that hermit shows your opponent whats in your deck....YOU ARE ALREADY SHOWING THEM...lol
 
Muk Man said:
yeah everyone loves the holon engine, but when it first came out, the same thing being said about island hermit was said about adventurer vs tv reporter, and most of the other cards in the engine...(except mentor, everyone aggreed it was a great card)... and flipping over your prizes. everyone says showing your opponent whats in your deck is so bad... but every supporter that is played now shows you opponent whats in your deck/hand...

Celios grab a poke SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Elms grab an Evo SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Mentor grab 3 basics SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Holon Reasearcher grab a delta or metal SHOW YOUR OPPONENT
Scott...
castaway...
masterball...
dual ball...
greatball...
Holon Farmer..
should i continue??? okay
Holon Lass
Mr Stones
HolonTransciever
energy search
old rod
..if you mulligan... SHOW YOU OPPONENT YOUR HAND

So everyone making the argument that hermit shows your opponent whats in your deck....YOU ARE ALREADY SHOWING THEM...lol
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yes but in most cases when you play a "show it to your opponent card" you will use it with in the next 1 or 2 turns. If a card flips up in prizes then your opponent can plan 5 moves ahead after you KO one of their pokes
 
Muk Man said:
yeah everyone loves the holon engine, but when it first came out, the same thing being said about island hermit was said about adventurer vs tv reporter, and most of the other cards in the engine...(except mentor, everyone aggreed it was a great card)... and flipping over your prizes. everyone says showing your opponent whats in your deck is so bad... but every supporter that is played now shows you opponent whats in your deck/hand...

Celios grab a poke SHOW YOUR OPPONENT Which you'll most likely play down immedetietly...
Elms grab an Evo SHOW YOUR OPPONENT Same
Mentor grab 3 basics SHOW YOUR OPPONENT Of course
Holon Reasearcher grab a delta or metal SHOW YOUR OPPONENT this is stupid, your opponent knows your basics, ergo, they know your evos
Scott... Pfft, if they know what supporters you're getting, it's not a big deal. You'll usually play the stadiums
castaway... Energy doesn't matter...they should already figure out you play Lightning nrg in a Lightning deck, the tool you'll most likely use, the supporter, once again, doesn't really matter.
masterball... Again, you'll play it down eventually
dual ball... You'll play it down anyway
greatball... You HAVE to play it down
Holon Farmer.. They already know what's in your discard
should i continue??? okay
Holon Lass Ehh, true, but no one plays Lass
Mr Stones Again, basic nrgs don't reveal much
HolonTransciever LOLPLZ who doesn't play holon trainers
energy search basic nrgs dont mean anything
old rod lol no one plays this, and your discard is public as it is
..if you mulligan... SHOW YOU OPPONENT YOUR HAND

So everyone making the argument that hermit shows your opponent whats in your deck....YOU ARE ALREADY SHOWING THEM...lol
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Note the bold ^
 
Absoltrainer said:
well when you discard you have used the card if you flip your prizes your best tech may be in there and then they know the techs you have
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Please explain how this makes sence. Okay, your opponet knows a tech that you run because its prized. Guess what? If you didn't notice that it was prized before, and come late game when you need it and go search for it and its prized, you just lost. Knowing that part of your tech is prized is a great advantage for YOU because even though your opponet knows about it, they have to deal with whatever you have set-up and then counter it. If you didn't know about it in your prizes/location, then how would you get it besides luck? And isn't what you want, minimizing luck? And aren't your prizes the loose screw in your deck, so to speak? So wouldn't knowing about it completely remove any luck involved with your prizes? Yes.
 
DarkJake said:
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so if your opponent knows your basics, evos, trainers, energy, and stadiums, whats so important that Seeing what in your prizes will hurt you, if you opponent also sees them? and if it is a secret tech...then you need to know where it is at.
 
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ok every 1 who is saying hermit is a bad card is wrong.
there realy is no bad card cuz if it was it wouldnt ove been made.
also they never said to replace it with other draw cards but to try to fit 2 in.
i mean mayb its not usefull to everybody but there is a pouint to every card made.
i mean come on u ppl say potion is bad.....
how can u say its bad?
of course its a waste of space but healing 20 can work magic.
u might get kod next turn so u potion and u might still hang on for dear life.
and yes it probably is 1 of the worst draw cards but u no wut?
it will prob help u more than the others.
i dont no y there is a big arguement over this man i mean calling it bad is offensive.
preety much ur saying the guy who makes the cards made a bad 1.
its not bad
may not b usefull to every1 but it is NOT BAD.
 
therage said:
ok every 1 who is saying hermit is a bad card is wrong.
there realy is no bad card cuz if it was it wouldnt ove been made.
also they never said to replace it with other draw cards but to try to fit 2 in.
i mean mayb its not usefull to everybody but there is a pouint to every card made.
i mean come on u ppl say potion is bad.....
how can u say its bad?
of course its a waste of space but healing 20 can work magic.
u might get kod next turn so u potion and u might still hang on for dear life.
and yes it probably is 1 of the worst draw cards but u no wut?
it will prob help u more than the others.
i dont no y there is a big arguement over this man i mean calling it bad is offensive.
preety much ur saying the guy who makes the cards made a bad 1.
its not bad
may not b usefull to every1 but it is NOT BAD.
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Grammer 101 PLEASE!

Trust me, there are some BAD cards made. Can you think of a good use for all the unown cards?

Keith
 
Lawman said:
I dont think Muk or others have said it is a SUPERIOR draw card to many others, just that it isnt a BAD draw card, has SOME advantages to other draw (ie, just before you draw a prize in a turn, use this draw to help target which prize may halp you more in that game!) and can be played in SOME decks.

Keith
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DING, WE HAVE A WINNER

And, based on my playtesting, it really isn't as situational as one might think.
 
there's a difference between the "showing" that happens when you flip your prizes and when you discard something, say for a holon supporter. when you flip your prizes for island hermit, you don't have a choice to what you're revealing. when you discard from a holon supporter, you DO have a choice. that's a huge difference. that IS a valid argument against island hermit IMO.
 
garsh0p said:
there's a difference between the "showing" that happens when you flip your prizes and when you discard something, say for a holon supporter. when you flip your prizes for island hermit, you don't have a choice to what you're revealing. when you discard from a holon supporter, you DO have a choice. that's a huge difference. that IS a valid argument against island hermit IMO.
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Oh god, your opponent will see two cards, ALERT THE INTERNET, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE NOW!

Oh gee, but you were going to lose anyway because a crucial tech or attacker was prized. Sorry!
 
The "Mentor shows cards too" argument is stupid, but technically correct. The reason its stupid is because Mentor is so much more powerful than Hermit. One gets 2 random cards and gives opponents info. The other gets THREE BASIC POKEMON OF YOUR CHOICE and puts them in your hand, but gives info. Seeing as Mentor is at least 5x better than Hermit, its worth giving them info.
 
I dunno, I really think Island Hermit needs to be played to be understood, as cheesy as that sounds. It just plain works.
 
Phazon Elite said:
If it was named "Holon Hermit" everyone'd be all over it.
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I don't think that's true, seeing as Holon Adventurer and Scientist beat Island Hermit in almost every aspect of card-drawing.
 
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