Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

LostGar makes P!P stupid.

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sdrawkcab said:
yeah, thats why its in the top 3 decks right....its horrible :nonono:
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I will second with Jeff that all of the top player in our area know how to play around vilegar. It IS slow, for the most part and IS inconsistent at times. It may be in the top handful of decks right now, but it never seems to do well here in the northwest...

To recap:
Not saying vilegar sucks, just saying the meta I play in never seems very favorable for it. I know no top WA players that can't play around it with what they play. My PERSONAL opinion is that it's the new SF machamp...it'll show up to your tournament, make you mad when you play against it and lose to it, but then it won't be good enough to make the cut...

Just my 2 cents...
 
Any player has the right to drop. People do it for many reasons :emergencys , to secure all the points they gained in that tourney and don't have to worry about losing any points in top cut , etc ... Restricting dropping and punishing for it is down right wrong what happens if you have to drop and they say sure but we will count your last match a loss and don't think of showing up next tourney your banned for one tourney by ! That would be wrong and bring so much controversy to the game. Think about what your saying and imagine if you where in the shoes of competative players. Now watch when, no if this lost world comes out and it's truly broken as people are saying you'll be playing and so will every one else. Then it will bring up the whole problem people had with gg. Just get over it and play the game !
 
Wow guys... way to turn the thread around. Decks fail in top cut for one of three reasons:
-They are slow to set up
-They cannot take free prizes on a whim (Luxchomp)
-Their win condition is not prize draw

I feel that players should have the option to drop at any time. What if my uncle dies? I would hopefully drop ASAP and go be with my family. Anyone choosing to play LostGar in an event knows that they will probably not do well in top cut... so they should drop and leave. As players, we have that option. For all the tournament organizer knows, something might have happened. The TO cannot say "no you may not drop" for any reason... that would be cruel. The alternate option for those players is to "leave without dropping", which as I recall, is a DQ.

Match play is a known evil for most players. Going into a tournament, I know that I will eventually have to play top if I'm doing well. I may drop if my deck does not win in match play (Vile/Lost Gar). Just get used to it. I am very sad that they removed the whole 4 prize minimum thing as that gave slower decks a chance to win, but there is little I can do about it. I must prepare for match play rather than complain.


As far as slowplaying goes, there is legal slowplaying and illegal slowplaying. I dislike doing it, but a win is a win. I will never take more than my share of time in a match, but I am fully entitled to my 2 pile shuffles in setup time. I am entitled to my 10 second decksearch. I am entitled to my 30 seconds to make a play. What happens in those 30 seconds could mean the difference between a win and a loss. Every 30 seconds is valuable, so use it. I am not evil for using it... I simply follow the rules and hope to create a playing advantage for me. AT LEAST this isn't Magic by which they get about 10 seconds before their draw after the opponent passes and another 10 seconds to untap all their cards. Trust me, that is just mean... using time where you cannot actually do anything to think.
 
I think that you should play to win the tournament. Maybe that proves that LostGar is one of the most unbalanced decks there is, since everyone is afraid to play it in top cut.

People that use the 'emergency' excuse (like a poster previously said 'what if my uncle dies?'), that is a completely different situation than being scared to play a deck during top cut. Think of the people who have already lost family members due to emergencies. Even bringing that up as an excuse to be allowed to duck out and run away from the consequences of playing a deck that you think can't win so you can save your precious points is just immoral and totally uncalled for.

Maybe if there was a penalty for dropping it would help. Give them a loss or something. If there is a legitimate emergency then yeah, let them go, but I can't believe even then people will be so low as to lie and say there's a problem you have to go attend to when there isn't. Just play the @#%%$ game.
 
Jaeger said:
Somebodys going to get watched like a hawk for slow play at States.
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this is the best point of the argument, people trying to find away around this monster, slow play (Know this well):nonono: done by inferior players hoping to beat the clock, as far as lostgar in top cuts even if game one goes long I can see enough deck disruption by LZing a good portion of your opponents deck to make this almost an autowin, between the Absol's, giratina's and gengar's most of thier meat should be gone soon enough to cripple most builds, keep a close eyes on those stallers:thumb:
can't wait for states:lol::psychic::dark::confused:
and drops should be allowed unless it's habitual
 
So players are to blame now because the timeout rule makes a deck that is expected to win everything in swiss loose i topcut?

I think we should play the same game for both cut and swiss and this shows why the timeout rule needs to be changed.
If a deck can win in swiss but not in topcut there is something wrong with topcut. A deck getting nerved not by cards but by rules should not happen. And if people want to drop to save points because its their only way out of this mess, why not? Why does anyone hate on dropping? You want to force people to play in tournaments? Thats ridiculus. If I drop thats my decision and no one elses, and if I do it for the oints thats my decision as well, where is this unfair?
 
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you did read this part of the post yes
and drops should be allowed unless it's habitual
and going through a tourney 5-2 and not trying to finish shows not much chutzspah
 
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It's not Vileplume/Gengar making Pokemon stupid, it's the fact that time limits do not allow for three games to be completed. One solution you overlooked is to change Top Cut to one game matches, though I'm not a fan of that, either.
 
z-man said:
As far as slowplaying goes, there is legal slowplaying and illegal slowplaying. I dislike doing it, but a win is a win. I will never take more than my share of time in a match, but I am fully entitled to my 2 pile shuffles in setup time. I am entitled to my 10 second decksearch. I am entitled to my 30 seconds to make a play.
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From the Penalty Guidelines:

7.4. Game Tempo
The pace of a Pokémon TGC game should be lively without being excessively fast, and each player should receive approximately half of the allotted time for the game. However, the way players react to pressure can have an impact on the tempo at which they take their turns. Judges should watch for changes in tempo and make corrections if needed
In general, the following time limits for various game actions should be appropriate. The times given below are general guidelines; players attempting to compartmentalize their turn in order to use every second of the time allowed for the items below are almost certainly stalling and should be subject to the Unsporting Conduct: Severe penalties.
  • Performing the actions of a card or attack: 15 seconds
  • Shuffling and setup, game start: 2 minutes
  • Shuffling and deck search, mid-game: 15 seconds
  • Starting the turn after opponent’s “end of turn” announcement: 5 seconds
  • Considering the game position before playing a card: 10 seconds
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Quoted the whole section, bolded the bit that z-man might want to check out in order to avoid getting blind sided at an event.
 
still doesnt stop me from legal stalling, does it? Because there are legal weays to let a game drag on forver. Just inviting traip/bright look something with big retreat all of the time, wont win you the game but will buy you time. I just dont think there is a way to stop time from being a factor, but it shouldnt be that big of a factor. And dan, if you read this, ill get back to your email, I just really felt like staying away from this for a bit might be a good idea.
 
Yoshi- said:
still doesnt stop me from legal stalling, does it? Because there are legal weays to let a game drag on forver. Just inviting traip/bright look something with big retreat all of the time, wont win you the game but will buy you time. I just dont think there is a way to stop time from being a factor, but it shouldnt be that big of a factor. And dan, if you read this, ill get back to your email, I just really felt like staying away from this for a bit might be a good idea.
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yes but too much of that, I start to look at my watch then we go letter of the law 30secs per move, all your disturbed about is stalling, must be fun playing you
and thanx to Ness for chiming in as it should be a one and done in topcut, then not gripes and then the stallers really standout
 
Its not fun, its not what I want, but if its within the rules and an easy way to win, people wll do it.
 
Yoshi- said:
Its not fun, its not what I want, but if its within the rules and an easy way to win, people wll do it.
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truely the spirit of the game overfills your cup, that all of nothing thing sounds familiar, circa say the early part of the 20th century
but really if you wanna drop round 3 or 4 please do so, so others may enjoy the rest of the tourney
 
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XxMarcTx said:
truely the spirit of the game overfills your cup, that all of nothing thing sounds familiar, circa say the early part of the 20th century
but really if you wanna drop round 3 or 4 please do so, so others may enjoy the rest of the tourney
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Its not like I like it but ignoring it because you dont like it? Great idea... I WOULD like to play bo7 without timeout, I love playing, but does that mean I cant point out flaws in the current system? I Hate timeouts but its like donks, if I can win a game with a lot on the line like this wirhout breaking rules Ill take it. And this is how everyone thinks about it, ost people just wont admit it. I lost a 100% won game on time at worlds t32, you cant even imagine how much that hurts, this is why im pointing out flaws in the current system, to prevent unfair losses and frustration.

And, this might be news to you, but playing worlds is the most fun one can have playing pokemon, and if sacrificing a city topcut means I can definitly play worlds I wouldnt think twice. And what if you know there are only bad matchups / dont feel like playing? If it helps you, Ive never dropped from a single tournament ever but I dont see the point in unishing people who want to get their worlds invites. Someone enjoys playing topcuts, someone has already won 10 CC and doesnt really care about it anymore but wants to make sure he can play worlds. Who am I to judge them?
 
Yoshi- said:
Its not like I like it but ignoring it because you dont like it? Great idea... I WOULD like to play bo7 without timeout, I love playing, but does that mean I cant point out flaws in the current system? I Hate timeouts but its like donks, if I can win a game with a lot on the line like this wirhout breaking rules Ill take it. And this is how everyone thinks about it, ost people just wont admit it. I lost a 100% won game on time at worlds t32, you cant even imagine how much that hurts, this is why im pointing out flaws in the current system, to prevent unfair losses and frustration.

And, this might be news to you, but playing worlds is the most fun one can have playing pokemon, and if sacrificing a city topcut means I can definitly play worlds I wouldnt think twice. And what if you know there are only bad matchups / dont feel like playing? If it helps you, Ive never dropped from a single tournament ever but I dont see the point in unishing people who want to get their worlds invites. Someone enjoys playing topcuts, someone has already won 10 CC and doesnt really care about it anymore but wants to make sure he can play worlds. Who am I to judge them?
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but Mein herr if the game was 100% won then time should have just delivered it to you, unless you were down on prizes meaning not so certain
 
z-man said:
As far as slowplaying goes, there is legal slowplaying and illegal slowplaying.
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I'm generally not a stickler for word choice, but here I think it needs to be noted. While I know and many others know exactly what you mean by this, it needs to be stated that all slow playing is "illegal." If you tell a judge that your are "legally slow playing" that pretty much warrants at least a game loss. There are other words you can use for what you are describing "Time Management," as Fulop described it, "Taking your time," but you should never call it "legal slowplaying," or worse "legal stalling." Thats a one way ticket to trouble.
 
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