Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Ohio & player issues discussion.

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As the PTO of the event, I have decided to put in my 2 cents worth.

I should point out, that is opponent isn't that old, he is like 30, I think. Also his opponent judges for me at some of my other events. He is very picky on sleeves when he judges, so it carries over to when he plays. I do not fault him for that. Also he was willing to let Adam finish the game with the ruined sleeve.

Also, I was not made aware of what exactly happened until after Adam left. I did have extra packs of prerelease sleeves with me, that I would have been willing to give, if he needed to re-sleeve.

I hope that Adam doesn't quit over this, just takes it as a learning experience, and comes back soon.
 
SD PokéMom said:
were there deckchecks prior to the t4 matches? why wasn't the sleeve issue addressed then?

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There was checks before T4, but myself I did not check his, so I cannot say. But by just glancing at the sleeves it was hard to notice. This is somethign I will have my judges check on in the future
 
Adam, I'm so sorry that you had a T4 experience that upset you. Congrats on making it that far! And don't stop playing just because you didn't enjoy that one match. I left before T4 but I've judged a few and know everyone involved. We announce at every tournament (usually multiple times to the Juniors) that if you have ANY question then call a judge. We would rather be called and address something right then instead of hearing something later when it is too late to act. That said, your opponent had every right to call a judge. AND (big point here) your opponent calling a judge does NOT mean that he is accusing you of cheating. Please don't take it that way. In this case it means that he was questioning if your sleeves met the rules - intentional or not. All the rules are important, and some players are extremely careful of them especially in top cut.

Sleeve checking to me is the hardest part of deck checks. I constantly call over the HJ for a second opinion during checks (sorry Dustin). So I can see where the judge that checked your deck before T4 may have approved it even though others may not have. But I know something could have been worked out. I always have extra sleeves and Ryan usually does as well. And we were at a store so worse case scenario was that you would buy new sleeves and resleeve. I know that isn't fun but it is fair.

I hope that you can look back at the tournament and think of the positives you had that day and continue to join us at league and other events.
 
What I don't understand is why you would quit after such an accusation if you are so concerned with your integrity. It does not look very good to quit right after being suspected of cheating.

I'm not saying you cheated, no, but you set yourself up a bit.
 
Your area reminds me of mine. Everybody talks about the great players in pokemon but I haven't met any yet. It's hard to make friends when even after 2 years you are treated like you are the new kid and an outcast and some adults have a bad attitude in any situation.
 
I'm sure the ruling was made not to make you out to be a cheater, but so that other players wouldn't call you a cheater. If you don't offer your deck up for a cut after a shuffle, you could be accused of cheating, even if you didn't. The rules are set the way they are so that all players feel that they are playing in a fair, friendly, and fun atmosphere.

Take some time to relax, and hopefully we will all see you in some future events!
 
Hey Adam , congrats on making Top4 , I have the same experience as well don't let it spoil your fun. You are right there alot of players that take this game WAY to seriously .. My advice take a break(breather) and come back at least by the next Cites or pre-release.
 
Rule Sharks are stupid. They're annoying and they need to just calm down and play the game. The fact that people will try anything to win just proves they're crappy players. I saw a pretty good example of this at worlds. Cough cough. Anyway the important thing is to make sure you're following the rules, even if they can be ridiculous.
 
I would like to point out that while I did decide to leave early, it was because I was already pressing for time and the thought that someone in such a fun environment would assume that I was preemptively cheating. I have seen bad sleeves before but I would never assume someone's persona includes being a cheater unless there was evidence to support it. If this was such a problem it should have been ruled beforehand and I would have been happy to have had a judge ask me if I could try some of their replacement sleeves. I have thought a lot about it and I love Pokemon too much to just quit on it, but I hope that people really look on it and understand this is a great game with what can be a great community if we all just have more fun with it and stop worrying about bringing others down to ensure "rules".Clearly that guy was more concerned with my possibility of cheating than to have fun and because of that I had to step away from the table.
 
I actually understand what you're saying. I've had several occasions in which I've dropped from tournaments because I've either been "rules lawyered" or someone has made me angry by being a jerk.

I'd rather just be doing something else in those cases.

And if, by dropping, I hurt their resistance (that used to be the case, but I don't think it is anymore) all the better.
 
I know other's have felt alienated from the tcg world because they have said it to me personally, whether it is a friend or brother feeling "out of place" and being talked to rudely, I just always brushed it off and thought they were being crazy. Pokemon has great players that are there to be helpful and have fun and those are the ones that I hope to see take the spotlight.
 
calisupra2nr said:
Next turn is going good for both of us and then this older man decides that I am a cheater.
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camerongira said:
dude did u do a deck check with a judge
if so then the judge should of told the old geaser that the sleeves are fine since he checked them already
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dustinmoe said:
Well looking at it seems strange a random 61 year old calls you out on something so small but he makes it a big deal..
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Mike is just so old... -shakes head-
 
Well clearly you know who I am talking about, but I never said he was some 61 year old or that he was an old geaser. I said he was older which is a relative term and being that I am 20 and he was clearly beyond that, he is older.
 
Well I do not want to just stop attending Ohio events, and there are plenty of people here that make me appreciate the game. I just will avoid making contact with those kind of players and hope that I am paired against those that love the game for the game, and not the RULES!
 
i meet some really nice people and regs a couple of years a go
what i ment was dont play that person anymore or dont go to that location
 
calisupra2nr said:
Well I do not want to just stop attending Ohio events, and there are plenty of people here that make me appreciate the game. I just will avoid making contact with those kind of players and hope that I am paired against those that love the game for the game, and not the RULES!
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Let's not over react.
I'm sure you don't mean that you want to play people that are disregarding the rules, rules against stacking their decks, or playing illegal decks, etc.

The rules are there not to annoy you, but to protect you, and all the players.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what your deck sleeves looked like.
I don't know what kind of attitude you were faced with when being told your sleeves were bad.
I would hope that things were handled within the Spirit of the Game.

From what the staff has said, if you had a little patience, they would have worked with you to correct the issue. That seems like SotG to me.

Would you like staff to ignore players that are in fact marking their decks with damage sleeves so that they can cheat when they play you, undetected?
No? Well, the only way to protect against that is to deal with bad sleeves when they are found.
Even if they are being used by a player that is not cheating.
It was not a personal slam against you.
It's like a policeman giving a driver a ticket for having a broken tail light.
They didn't mean to have a broken tail light.
But it was a danger to all the drivers on the road.
It might come with the opportunity to get the light fixed and not pay the fine, but the light still has to be fixed, right?
The policeman can't say to himself, "Well, he didn't know he had a broken tail light. I'll let him keep driving with it because the rules annoy him".
See what I'm saying?
 
I guess it is my turn to step in. I am the other player. And yes I am not that old, but I am older. Your statement on that is correct. Although much like what happened between us, you are jumping to conclusion about Kemony's comments. She was just making a comment to try to make fun of me not correct anyone. She found the old geaser comments to be funny.

And with that, you did just that. I made the judge aware of the sleeves not to get them to make a rule against you. Like I did prior to the beginning of the match by letting you know your options that the judges did not let you be aware of, I was only letting you aware of the issue for future events. The judges are the ones who made the descision to make a ruling. I even said, as Agent P stated, don't worry about it and to play the sleeves as is. I knew what you were playing and would never made you play unsleeved as the judge ruled. But that part must not been heard as you had made your conclusion and just ended up scooping your cards up and storming out of there without hearing anything else.

I'm sorry if you felt that way about the issue without knowing the entire reasons. And I'm sorry your tournament ended like that, but it was all your choice to scoop and walk out. As you said I had won the first game early on and our 2nd game, though it had just started, seemed to be going well for the both of us. I would of loved to seen the end of it. I am a person who loves the game but I also believe rules are placed for reason and they are for everyone and every event, even a small battle roads. The smaller events just have lesser penalties for the rules. As Agent P said I am a judge that is big on sleeves but there are many others who are much worse about it than me. There are also many others who would find every little thing to get an easy win as it has happened to others I know in previous years.

I hope our encounter does not remove you from this great game as I felt you were a very nice kid and I did trust that the sleeves were not intentional as you didn't come across as someone who might cheat. Otherwise I wouldn't of offered to keep playing as is. As I did in other matches letting the judges know I did not want warnings giving for small errors, we are people and no one is perfect.

Well, I am done babbling now and everyone can make there own opinions about everything now. Good luck to everyone this battle road season as it is a hard one.
 
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Idling_Crisis said:
As you said I had won the first game early on and our 2nd game, though it had just started, seemed to be going well for the both of us.
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Wait, I am confused by this statement, so are you saying that Game 1 was played and the comment about the sleeves happened between Game one and Game two??

Please clarify.

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