One Side of the AZ States issue(now with both sides post 117)
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If Patricia was the PTO, this doesn't seem like her. She's usually pretty understanding. Are you (and those you brought) habitually late to her events Ken? If not (from what you said in your first post, you're never late), then there must be some other "disruption" reasoning.
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Godzfirefly
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In the spirit of fairness, I'm inclined to give the PTO of the event the benefit of the doubt here. Most likely, she was making a decision based on having a full plate, limited info, and the realization that late entries always make the start of a tourney of any size start later than desired. If the location had a time limit by which the event had to end, that probably made it even greater pressure to not allow late entries. So, I doubt that the issue was 'power tripping' or incompetence. Just unfortunate circumstances. :nonono:
That said, it is seriously unfortunate that you didn't get to play at all. I'd like to think that this kind of thing doesn't happen too often and that you have better luck next time. :frown:
That said, it is seriously unfortunate that you didn't get to play at all. I'd like to think that this kind of thing doesn't happen too often and that you have better luck next time. :frown:
spazcrackers
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Disgusting. I'm saddened by the fact you weren't at least allowed to enter with a first round loss for being late. I hope the P.T.O. over there is proud,that is certainly not good for promoting the game. :frown: Blizz is a respectable ambassador of this game and a great guy;I would assume the same of anyone that he had in his company as well. His rulings are fair and impartial;I've been on both ends of them in major events,pretty disappointing he and the people that traveled with him are not shown the same courtesy. As a fellow veteran and traveler I can put myself in your shoes so I feel for you guys. Nobody should be denied the right to play for being 3 minutes late;nobody.
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Professor Dav
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Ken chose to leave his home later than necessary to arrive at the event on time. The rules were spelled out clearly in advance of the event. This has nothing to do with an abuse of power, but rather, of a group of people who didn't feel that arriving earlier was necessary, and ended up paying the concequences of not having provided themselves ample time to get registered for the event within the time posted in advance.
If you had to travel 9 hours, pay lots of money, and miss out on other things, one would assume you would make your plans in a manner that would allow you to show up at the event with plenty of time to get registered, as opposed to cutting it down to the wire.
Prof. Dave
ape101
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Please show me where this was spelt out in an offical lisitng. PLEASE.
Professor Dav
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This has already been done by Steve P. I'll repost it here for you:
POP Tournament Operation Procedures
2.1.4. Late Player Registration
If a player arrives to the tournament late, that player will receive losses for all of the rounds that have already started. It is at the Tournament Organizer’s discretion to wait to add the player until the round starts if the pairings are already up. If the Tournament Organizer feels that the addition of a late player will create a disruption to the integrity of the event, he or she may choose to refuse event entry to that player.
Thank you,
Prof. Dave
ryanvergel
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Or, Ken chose to turn around and get medicine... Did you not read what Ken said at all? This is a classic strawman fallacy.
Why couldn't the PTO enter them in as a r1 loss? It's obvious that the PTO has the POWER to turn people away, but they have that power if the entering players would cause a disruption. I don't see how a previous nationals masters head judge, whose wife was head judging AZ states could be disruptive.
I don't see the benefit in rejecting dedicated, traveling players who are a few minutes late due to uncontrollable circumstances, and whose tardiness was known by the HJ- it's not like they just showed up late, it was known they would be pushing the time.
You'd think that a PTO who was getting PAID for each participant would want more participants.
Godzfirefly
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In fairness, Blizzard made a point of saying that the issue was not that he 'chose to leave his home later than necessary to arrive at the event on time.' He left on time, he just had an insulin issue that required him to delay his travel. It was an unforseen event that interfered with a properly laid plan. This is certainly not the fault of the driver or group of players that were denied entrance.
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Most likely the PTO was concerned with the delays in running the event smoothly that redirecting staff to set up late entrance for 7 players would take. That would take a significant amount of time at a tournament that was already running late...
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Most likely the PTO was concerned with the delays in running the event smoothly that redirecting staff to set up late entrance for 7 players would take. That would take a significant amount of time at a tournament that was already running late...
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It's in the floor rules that if you are late you may be denied entrance to the event.
But she also said :
"FREE Pokemon Raffles! You MUST be in the registration line with deck list filled out by 9:45AM or you may have a first round loss. Format: Modified Constructed Deck (bring your own 60 card deck-Cards are allowed from Diamond Pearl or later as well as Promos from POP Series 6 and above and Black Star Promos DP01 and higher) "
http://www.op.pokemon-tcg.com/tournaments/details.asp?tournament_id=903000071
Professor Dav said:
Dave, the point is that they left in plenty of time to get there. They had to turn around to get Wes' insulin. I KNOW you would rather him be healthy and alive rather than to go into diabetic shock at your event for fear of being denied entrance.
And even then, trish put in HER description of the event.
Pokemon OP Site said:
There is NO mention of being denied entry
I know your obligated to defend your PTOs, but in the interest of fairness this one is ridiculous.
there is also a character limit when inputting info for one's event on the OP site.
are you saying that a staff member of the 'gym never read the info in AZ thread here on the 'gym, which has been quoted upthread...only the info on the OP site?
'mom
are you saying that a staff member of the 'gym never read the info in AZ thread here on the 'gym, which has been quoted upthread...only the info on the OP site?
'mom
Your right. It's common knowledge that PTOs CAN reject you from the event. I don't see in the AZ thread on the 'gym where she said that.
Are YOU saying that Ken should have let him go without insulin and go into diabetic shock?
Your right, he made a bad move.
Pooka
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If I was told correctly, the tournament didn't even start until an hour after the players were denied entry. In that case, I don't see what excuse the PTO has for not allowing players in that showed up two minutes past the registration time. If you have to give a first round loss to all of them, so be it, but not allowing them to play is a little extreme when you aren't even running on time yourself!
I am very curious to see what the PTO's reasoning was for this. Don't you want to encourage attendance at events? A debacle like this will deter many players from going to any tournament run by this PTO again. Unless I am missing something, these players were robbed of their time, money, potential points towards ratings, and an entire day of doing something they love - playing Pokemon.
I am very curious to see what the PTO's reasoning was for this. Don't you want to encourage attendance at events? A debacle like this will deter many players from going to any tournament run by this PTO again. Unless I am missing something, these players were robbed of their time, money, potential points towards ratings, and an entire day of doing something they love - playing Pokemon.
Professor Dav
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I don't see the benefit of teaching players that it's okay to rush into registration at the last possible moment, rather than showing up plenty early and assuring themselves of a seat in the event. The manpower and time necessary to register players is considerable, and players showing up at the last minute slows things down for everyone, especially those who arrived plenty early to get checked in and ready to play.
Uncontrolable circumstances!?
Time of departure: Controlable
Remembering medicine: Controlable
What part of the circumstances that led to this group being late was beyond thier control?
Had Ken chosen to leave at an earlier time, they would have had more time to turn around and get the medicine, and go back. Had the adult person who needed the medicine, remembered their medicine, there would have been no need to turn around. Had they simply continued to the venue, registered, and spoken to the PTO about one person having to go and get the medicine, and accepting the possibility of a first round loss should they not return in time, I'm sure the PTO would have accepted that circumstance.
Your point about a PTO getting paid for these participants cuts right through your argument about an abuse of power. She LOST money by doing this. This obviously was not an optimal choice for her to take, as I'm sure she would've loved crack the 100 participants number. But she obviously had reasons that she felt strongly enough about, to make this call, not just for Ken, but for all players that were late.
Thank you,
Prof. Dave
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Professor Dav
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There was also no mention that the player who goes first cannot play supporter cards, or that you draw seven cards to start a game, or that the first person to draw all six of thier prize cards wins.
Those rules are all covered in the game rules, just as the late registrants rules are covered in the tournament rules. If you are not familiar with the tournament rules, I highly recommend that you brush up on them, prior to attending your next premier event.
Thank you,
Prof. Dave
Yeah, where might I find that?
And what chapter is power trip under? I'd hate to get screwed over because I didn't read that chapter where the PTO has personal issues against me and is allowed to not let me play.
Godzfirefly
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I think you kinda missed something there...Even without the delay of adding serveral late entries (and that is a delay, even if you don't realize it) the event was an hour late in starting. Neither delaying 100+ people nor pulling staff away from areas that they were needed during Round 1 (and probably short-staffed) would be a fair or smooth way to run an event. Especially if you're on a time limit.
Not saying it was a great solution, but it is the PTO's responsibility to ensure the timely, smooth running of the event.
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You're kinda getting to the point of rude, personal attacks that don't add to the thread there...
I really don't think there was any 'power tripping' going on here.
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