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One Side of the AZ States issue(now with both sides post 117)

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ryanvergel said:
What I see are a bunch of poor excuses to justify the actions of the PTO. The PTO made a horrible, disgusting decision- and it's worse that people are defending it.
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Maybe because the PTO has a track record of being defensible, and we're willing to assume that there was a damn good reason for such a harsh decision coming down, far beyond the one-sided view that's been presented so far in this thread.

The players, meanwhile....
 
Hmmmm, I like posting on www.pokegym.net...

A couple years ago, two unnamed brothers got up late, made a wrong turn due to a bad sign, and got hassled by a state trooper on their way to a certain state championship...

With all of these elements combined, the two barely missed the deck registration time, but were let in with round one losses. A certain one of those brothers (he shall remain nameless) went 2-3 for the day, and thus suffered his most miserable showing in a POP event ever.

But you know what was the silver lining in all of this? He got to play at least. I can't imagine how Blizz's crew must have felt (well I can imagine how one of my best friends in the game, who happened to be in that group, must've felt). I was glad to receive the chance to just play some cards with my friends.

So unless a PTO has a solid reason for denying entry, then that is a right that should really be waived if at all possible.


As for what Dav has had to say, although what happened here is extremely questionable, he has to defend the policy - not necessarily the person.

I have a ton of pity for my friends here, and would have preferred that the PTO (still don't know her side) show them the same kind of "mercy" that almost every other player in the country gets when they're late, but in the end, Blizz's party was in control.

So, moral of the story from the POP brass is that if you're late for any reason, then you run the risk of something lame and horrible happening.

But to end this long rant, and to hopefully open up a new can of worms: how can policy be changed to avoid this kind of thing, yet also protect a PTO's right to turn people away for good reasons? Is the current policy doing that?
 
so why did the PTO put the 'late' statement into her event info to begin with?

...a history of players showing up LATE perhaps?

'mom
 
Chairman Kaga said:
Maybe because the PTO has a track record of being defensible, and we're willing to assume that there was a damn good reason for such a harsh decision coming down, far beyond the one-sided view that's been presented so far in this thread.

The players, meanwhile....
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The players? Like Ken, who HEAD JUDGED MASTERS NATIONALS? Or Chad, multiple world attendee and regional/state champion?

Are you KIDDING me?
 
I think everyone would have expected a first round loss. But not to be fit in is really stinks. Reading your story my guess is my point is not to bLiz, but to folks who are casual with their attitude on being on time.

But I am a firm believer that DEADLINES ARE DEADLINES. The situation was unfortunate for so many ways, and I do have a heart, but I want to explain the OTHER SIDE.

Three years ago, I was travelling to WI states, it is about 3 1/2 to 4 hour drive. We got up early enough to Arrive a full hour before registration started. The event started an HOUR late, primarly because some BOZO's called and had someone beg them to wait for them. It ended up that we did well that day and we didn't leave the event until after the masters finals at 10:30 at night on a Sunday. We don't get home until after 2 AM Monday morning, and I was not happy about having to have tooth picks in my eyes to get home safely. (Now those BOZO's was just a few teenage/twenty something folks that didn't drag themselves out of bed early enough, not a situation like you described.)

If there are 100 people at states, and someone arrives late, that is going push back the start by 15 minutes. Well 15 minutes to you, but to the "collective" group that is 25 (15 minx100 people = 25 hours) hours of wasted time. OVER A FULL DAY. It is the same thing as someone cutting in line in front of 10 people, and the person only asks the first of the 10, in reality they are cutting in front of ALL TEN, and would need to ask permission of ALL TEN.

Now we all have been in your situation, where you are late, and it is not your fault, someone else delay has caused the group to be delayed. (He someone forget's a deck, you give them another deck and drive on, someone forget's insulin, you don't drive on.) Nothing is more frustrating. When we are traveling to event with others, I try to have people to get to my house the night before, so we aren't in a position to have to wait on someone to get there.

Again, I think the unwillingness to give first round losses is something that I would never had expected either. But again, this is more of a post for the knuckleheads of the world to respect others and plan on arrive ahead of registration time. (Again, Bliz, your track record suggest that is always your plan.)
 
SD PokéMom said:
so why did the PTO put the 'late' statement into her event info to begin with?

...a history of players showing up LATE perhaps?

'mom
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...Well, that's even more questionable: it sounds like a huge lead-on to only threaten first round losses in a description for the event, yet when players show up late, she takes it a step above and actually denied them entry.
 
im surprised on how far this news has gone. I 1st heard about this on the streets of Nor Cal. So i figured i look it up. Just a sad story and wrong.
 
ryanvergel said:
The players? Like Ken, who HEAD JUDGED MASTERS NATIONALS? Or Chad, multiple world attendee and regional/state champion?

Are you KIDDING me?
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Am I supposed to respect that? This thread is nothing more than a dogpile on someone that hasn't even had a chance to respond. Half the people posting here don't even have a thought of their own, they're just parroting what they read a page back. This should never have been posted at all, but taken up with the PTO and PUI. Since they decided to post anyway, it should have been locked immediately.

Sorry if I appear to lack respect for that sort of thing. Oh, wait....
 
Chairman Kaga said:
Am I supposed to respect that? This thread is nothing more than a dogpile on someone that hasn't even had a chance to respond. Half the people posting here don't even have a thought of their own, they're just parroting what they read a page back. This should never have been posted at all. Once it was, it should have been locked immediately.

Sorry if I appear to lack respect for that sort of thing. Oh, wait....
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lol aren't you the guy that paid like $500 for a deck box
 
Chairman Kaga said:
The players, meanwhile....
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Have the same loyalty and respect for their friends, peers as PUI brass does for their own.
Something -as a player- I am very proud to be a part of btw.

You may not approve of the way they sometimes go about it ( either side), but THIS is one
of the special things about this game and this community.
 
does it matter WHO the players are who habitually show up late?

if the rule is stated, does it not have to be enforced across the board, otherwise we'd be hearing cries of "favoritism"?

'mom
 
yes i agree with sd pokemom

it shouldnt matter if you are 3 minutes late to a tourney that you have been driving for several hours
 
This is terrible...just incredibly terrible.

I'm glad I live in the area of some GREAT PTO's and don't have to worry about such silly things as this.
Starting out 0-1 with the worse resistance possible will not get you in the top cut. If the reason behind this move was to prevent that, then thats retarded and childish at best. I thought this game was all about good sportsmanship and SotG?

Don't PTO's have to follow the same guidelines as well?
 
Gee, this situation is a mess...

But like I said in my first post, the PTO should had at the very least shown some decency toward the players who were denied entry (not just going "lalala I'm not listening lalalala iron-clad rule of no lateness lalala"). The PTO has an image to uphold and so does everyone else who runs these events. I know that if this had been my first event and I was treated like this, I would never come back to play again. The PTO could had taken like, 20 seconds to offer their apologies at the very least when it happened.

Rules or not, nothing excuses the way the situation was handled. And obviously it wasn't handled well if there is this much outrage by the people affected and other players in the game.

There's really nothing anyone can do since the damage's been done. But it's definitely a learning experience for the future. Hopefully the PTO will handle things a bit better at future events, at least in terms of being "nicer" to the players.
 
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SD PokéMom said:
does it matter WHO the players are who habitually show up late?

if the rule is stated, does it not have to be enforced across the board, otherwise we'd be hearing cries of "favoritism"?

'mom
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My problem with this arguement is that I was in contact with the HJ I did explain the situation I have been to 90 percent of Trish's event and she has always let people into them late even after she implimented this rule. I'm not saying I wasn't late and that ultimately it was my fault what I am saying is that this rule is unfair for it had never been inforced till this tourney and it was in effect through every cities tournament she ran.

As for everyone bashing Trish that was not what I ment to do with this post I have had the honor of working with her for years and she is a great PTO she does everything she can to grow the game here and we spoke at length yesterday and there was a comunication break down that niether one of use could control, but I can honestley say that until yesterday I wasn't truley given the chance to talk to her. Trish is my friend, but I feel she made a horrible call with this and I can never get the chance back to play in this states.

BLiZz
 
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Cyrus said:
Hmmmm, I like posting on www.pokegym.net...

A couple years ago, two unnamed brothers got up late, made a wrong turn due to a bad sign, and got hassled by a state trooper on their way to a certain state championship...

With all of these elements combined, the two barely missed the deck registration time, but were let in with round one losses. A certain one of those brothers (he shall remain nameless) went 2-3 for the day, and thus suffered his most miserable showing in a POP event ever.

But you know what was the silver lining in all of this? He got to play at least. I can't imagine how Blizz's crew must have felt (well I can imagine how one of my best friends in the game, who happened to be in that group, must've felt). I was glad to receive the chance to just play some cards with my friends.

So unless a PTO has a solid reason for denying entry, then that is a right that should really be waived if at all possible.


As for what Dav has had to say, although what happened here is extremely questionable, he has to defend the policy - not necessarily the person.

I have a ton of pity for my friends here, and would have preferred that the PTO (still don't know her side) show them the same kind of "mercy" that almost every other player in the country gets when they're late, but in the end, Blizz's party was in control.

So, moral of the story from the POP brass is that if you're late for any reason, then you run the risk of something lame and horrible happening.

But to end this long rant, and to hopefully open up a new can of worms: how can policy be changed to avoid this kind of thing, yet also protect a PTO's right to turn people away for good reasons? Is the current policy doing that?
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We need more posts, and posters, like this one.

Try to look at things from both sides, and begin a discussion on improving the process or policies.

Thanks, Cyrus.

Prof. Dave
 
SD PokéMom said:
does it matter WHO the players are who habitually show up late?

if the rule is stated, does it not have to be enforced across the board, otherwise we'd be hearing cries of "favoritism"?

'mom
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Um, yes! Do you elevate a penalty based on past infractions?

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..it happens. Too bad, but sometimes ..it happens.

Also, I'm of the opinion that "more is expected" from players like Ken. Patricia might expect a bit more from Ken, as one who needs to set an example for others. Regardless that this was unforseen by Ken, it happened.

My kid hates it when I punish him without warning - most people do.

I think I'll ask Patricia to pre-register me if I go to her NM States this weekend. :wink:
 
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