Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Pokebeach: A 'Note' About Prerelease Scans

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I was just responding to the post above mine about SR's "Serebii bashing." I don't want people thinking SR is just bashing someone out of the blue for no reason since it is indeed a fact that Serebii used to do that a lot. The poster right after him asked why it's "okay" to bash Serebii and I'm giving context to it. Serebii was well known for being a bully. That's just history. It's a fact. It's not something we ever did in the first place. SR is just calling out that part of the fandom's history.

But yes, this is off topic, so...
 
Water Pokemon Master said:
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I was just responding to the post above mine about SR's "Serebii bashing." I don't want people thinking SR is just bashing someone out of the blue for no reason since it is indeed a fact that Serebii used to do that a lot. That's just history. It's a fact.
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Then let SR defend themselves, you don't need to do it for them. In either case I still think you should actually talk to some of the gym staff (as they have actual connections, and could give you some actual help).

Either way bringing up something else (in this case Serebii), when the topic is largely about you (even if you're trying to defend someone) normally does more harm than good.
 
Serebii has changed, WPM has changed, we've all changed over the years as we've aged and matured. That's what's cool about the Pokémon community - you get to see people go from kids to adults. So, let's act as adults.

We've all changed. We're all still changing. That's how this world works. Change happens all the time. We should accept change if it is for the better, and go against change if it is for the worse. Both Serebii's change and WPM's change are for the better.

Water Pokemon Master said:
The poster right after him asked why it's "okay" to bash Serebii
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He's had a similar past to you. Both of you have matured. Bashing each other isn't "okay". Bashing anyone isn't "okay". Bashing and bullying are both similar concepts. Why say one is okay when saying the other is bad? Both are bad.
 
Tutti is right. No matter what Serebii's actions are or were, bashing him is not acceptable behavior. Just the same as bashing any other site (Beach) or person (WPM). There is really no need for it.



On topic: WPM. Thank you. You've done the right thing, even if you do acknowledge that it took you far to long to realize you actually were doing the wrong thing for so long.



~ Said as a completely inactive/retired Player, Collecter, Professor, Judge.
 
WPM isnt bashing anyone. He is just providing facts to back up what he says. I think most of this topic really just needs to chill out and stop acting so hypocritical. People on here just keep attacking WPM in an indirect matter, giving him more **** for no reason. WPM could have ruled the Pokemon world (and still somewhat does) hes done more for this game than anyone could in a billion life times. I have no idea why people are putting more pressure on him than he already has or puts him to these super ultra standards. People just need to grow up and let things be, if you dont have anything positive to say then just dont post.I see too many people on here trying to play tough guy on the internet yet probably have never done a single thing for anyone (pokemon or non pokemo related).

Sides by the sound of this serebi guy I dont think anyone likes him enough to really defend him nor cares that much. Pointing out that hes a complete **** isnt bashing. Its like trying to say dont bash hitler since that makes you just as bad as he was. Like serious?
 
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FSULugia said:
WPM isnt bashing anyone. He is just providing facts to back up what he says. I think most of this topic really just needs to chill out and stop acting so hypocritical. People on here just keep attacking WPM in an indirect matter, giving him more **** for no reason. WPM could have ruled the Pokemon world (and still somewhat does) hes done more for this game than anyone could in a billion life times. I have no idea why people are putting more pressure on him than he already has or puts him to these super ultra standards. People just need to grow up and let things be, if you dont have anything positive to say then just dont post.I see too many people on here trying to play tough guy on the internet yet probably have never done a single thing for anyone (pokemon or non pokemo related).

Sides by the sound of this serebi guy I dont think anyone likes him enough to really defend him nor cares that much. Pointing out that hes a complete **** isnt bashing. Its like trying to say dont bash hitler since that makes you just as bad as he was. Like serious?
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I believe this post is hypocritical. As you said, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Sadly, your second paragraph doesn't seem to fit that idea.

Also, I don't recall Serebii killing 11 million to 13 million people. If I am wrong in that, please tell me.
 
Some of you are being really harsh. PokeBeach hasn't done much to the community besides help it with information of sets before more sites such as this site. WPM was talking about revealing cards before they are released (the first day of prerelease.) You people should read the essay first.

tl:dr was in there.
 
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TheRolesWePlay said:
Then let SR defend themselves, you don't need to do it for them. In either case I still think you should actually talk to some of the gym staff (as they have actual connections, and could give you some actual help).

Either way bringing up something else (in this case Serebii), when the topic is largely about you (even if you're trying to defend someone) normally does more harm than good.
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Personally, I found WPM's response informative rather than defencive/bullying. As WPM himself stated, he didn't bring up Serebii, in fact the post who did was posted against WPM's wishes - that post says so itself on its first line. I think it's time to move on now :)
 
immewnity said:
Also, I don't recall Serebii killing 11 million to 13 million people. If I am wrong in that, please tell me.
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Although his Hitler reference was overly hyperbolic, you're intentionally ignoring FSULugia's underlying point that the webmaster of Serebii.net has historically presented himself as combative and hostile towards select other members of the community.

Pointing out that the Webmaster of Serebii.net has been unpleasant toward others in the past is kind of like saying Chris Brown has a habit of punching people. Historical evidence backs up the statement.
 
CrystalEyeMonster, I think it's not so much that they are being harsh, but that they could use some tactfulness in their posts. Jon knows what he was getting into, and if not at the start, he certainly learned it afterward, otherwise why would there be the latest turn of events? I definitely don't harbor any ill will against WPM, but some may. Even WPM himself realizes that some may not like his earlier position, and that others may not particularly like his current position. He fully expects to get a certain amount of flack. I'm sure he can appreciate all sides of the situation at this point.

However, you do have a point - to an extent. I can guarantee that even some of his greatest opponents still looked in on the pokebeach site at one time or another to see what news WPM had come up with - whether they frequented the site at prerelease time or not. In any case I'm sure WPM can judge for himself what limits he will tollerate or reply to when it comes to untactful posts. As for his comments so far, I've only found them informative and enlightening, without bullying back. Keep your self control guys, and the conversation will continue, but if not, I guarantee from experience the mods and admins WILL eventually step in.
 
psychup2034 said:
Although his Hitler reference was overly hyperbolic, you're intentionally ignoring FSULugia's underlying point that the webmaster of Serebii.net has historically presented himself as combative and hostile towards select other members of the community.

Pointing out that the Webmaster of Serebii.net has been unpleasant toward others in the past is kind of like saying Chris Brown has a habit of punching people. Historical evidence backs up the statement.
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Yes, Serebii had his issues. So has WPM. Why is name-calling one okay, but not the other?

AzUK said:
Why exactly is there a problem with early scans?
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Breaking NDA.
 
immewnity said:
Breaking NDA.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but WPM does not currently have an effective NDA with any Pokemon-affiliated entity stating that he will not release scans. It is those individuals with NDAs who receive the cards early (for prereleases, etc.) that are leaking the cards such that they can be posted online. It seems like WPM is being scapegoated because it is more convenient to target an unaffiliated individual than those PTOs/TOs that are actually releasing the cards/scanes to be put online.

Obviously, in our litigious society, there's some basis on which TPCi can litigate against Pokebeach for posting scans early, if TPCi so desires. However, it seems like WPM is the easy target because it's less convenient to go after those people who are actually breaking their NDAs.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but WPM does not currently have an effective NDA with any Pokemon-affiliated entity stating that he will not release scans. It is those individuals with NDAs who receive the cards early (for prereleases, etc.) that are leaking the cards such that they can be posted online. It seems like WPM is being scapegoated because it is more convenient to target an unaffiliated individual than those PTOs/TOs that are actually releasing the cards/scanes to be put online.

Obviously, in our litigious society, there's some basis on which TPCi can litigate against Pokebeach for posting scans early. However, it seems like WPM is the easy target because it's less convenient to go after those people who are actually breaking their NDAs.
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WPM may not have an NDA, but likely the one leaking the scans to him does.
 
TheRolesWePlay said:
WPM may not have an NDA, but likely the one leaking the scans to him does.
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This is exactly my point. Why are the PTO(s) who are releasing the scans (or letting their friends/kids release the scans, etc.) not being targeted in this thread? I believe it is because WPM is the easier target, and it is less convenient to call out those PTO(s) for releasing cards/scans than it is to call out one unaffiliated individual.

Ergo, WPM seems to be the scapegoat in the middle of all this.
 
psychup2034 said:
This is exactly my point. Why are the PTO(s) who are releasing the scans (or letting their friends/kids release the scans, etc.) not being targeted in this thread? I believe it is because WPM is the easier target, and it is less convenient to call out those PTO(s) for releasing cards/scans than it is to call out one unaffiliated individual.

Ergo, WPM seems to be the scapegoat in the middle of all this.
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More of WPM is the weak link in the change. Of course PTOs and TPCi want to know who's leaking the info, but they don't know who it is.

And so it is perfectly clear, THEY DO NOT KNOW WHO THE LEAK IS

If you think it is wrong that it is wrong that WPM is receiving flak for utilizing the leak then fine that's your opinion. My only point is that there are more to this than everyone makes it out to be, and these problems have very little to do with the actual community.
 
TRWP: From what WPM has posted, your assumption is incorrect. They were given the email address as this quote confirms: "Additionally, one of the heads of Pokemon's Organized Play had asked me to send him the e-mail address of the scanner source. With permission from the source, I sent the e-mail address his way. The source had always claimed he or she were getting the cards legally, so obviously he or she could discuss this with PUSA and they could deal with it." I suppose an email address would be a decent start to be able to identify a person. It wouldn't be hard for someone persistant enough, and with the right friends. From that point, it's a matter of how important that information is to them.
 
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