Public Announcement: STRATEGY does NOT = BuildMeAList :/

[Kayle]

Based off of what is said in the rules, yes it is our goal. Whether or not we decide to change that, it is our first priority to try to find a solution that does not interfere with the original goal.

Fair, but...

The second option is certainly not ideal. Although it may reduce the amount of garbage it also reduces participation, which is something that we do not want to discourage. Idealy, we should avoid presenting such and option, which leads into the next bit.

This is somewhat contradictory. If you want to promote meaningful, useful, relevant discussion, then by extension you want to DISCOURAGE poorly-thought out and illegitimate discussion - and, by extension, you want to discourage members who consistently offer only advice. IDEALLY they will learn, instead of simply leaving, but things cannot always be ideal.

This is the attitude of pretty much everywhere else I have ever been.

This would help encourage the ideal option (the first one) without interefering with the original goal. I strongly support this, or at least some other form of restriction.

I like it too, but it still has the potential to drive away new members that are easily aggravated by the restriction.

Which brings us back to "the mods are to harsh" problem. As R_A said the friendly reminders are friendly reminders not infractions. Though, I do see how this could get out of hand. Establishing a Guru Points system would be the ideal alternative since it would encourage good posts instead of discouraging bad ones.

I think it's worth pointing out that there are many, many people out there who don't really care at all about an infraction. To them, a warning and an infraction are basically the same thing: they did something and someone came out and told them not to do it. If it's something you felt is minor enough to only warrant a warning... they probably felt it was too minor to matter at ALL, and are going to be pretty miffed that they got an official YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED notification.

It doesn't help that the terminology for some other popular forum hosts does not include "infraction"; instead, punishments are handed out with... "warnings", which actually do accumulate in value and can lead to banning.

We should make official ones, then sticky them.

they are stickied. ;P

 

[Box of Fail]

RA: I'm against creating more rules, imo that will be counterproductive. I think I speak for a majority when I say that mods should lose and not gain power.

 

[Melee Mewtwo]

This is somewhat contradictory. If you want to promote meaningful, useful, relevant discussion, then by extension you want to DISCOURAGE poorly-thought out and illegitimate discussion - and, by extension, you want to discourage members who consistently offer only advice. IDEALLY they will learn, instead of simply leaving, but things cannot always be ideal.

Any more than this?

EDIT: R_A, the LAST thing you want to do is add new rules. Features are a good thing, they widen the scope of appeal and therefore widen the member base. Rules are a bad thing, they narrow the things you can do and therefore narrow the member base.

Which was why I changed my view from discouraging bad posts to encouraging good posts.

This is the attitude of pretty much everywhere else I have ever been.

I like it too, but it still has the potential to drive away new members that are easily aggravated by the restriction.

Not as much as flaming would. Besides, if they are not going to bother lurking a bit, then they probably are the impulsive type who will post bad posts. This is different from flaming since with flaming, the flamers are the ones who caused the member to leave. Whereas with restrictions, it is their own apathy.

I think it's worth pointing out that there are many, many people out there who don't really care at all about an infraction. To them, a warning and an infraction are basically the same thing: they did something and someone came out and told them not to do it. If it's something you felt is minor enough to only warrant a warning... they probably felt it was too minor to matter at ALL, and are going to be pretty miffed that they got an official YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED notification.

It doesn't help that the terminology for some other popular forum hosts does not include "infraction"; instead, punishments are handed out with... "warnings", which actually do accumulate in value and can lead to banning.

True. Another reason for us to try to encourage instead of discourage by creating a Guru Points system. (or something similiar)

they are stickied. ;P

Whoops, I didn't see them. I must not have lurked enough.:lol:

Why did you say "basically" in your post, though?

 

[Kayle]

Any more than this?
Which was why I changed my view from discouraging bad posts to encouraging good posts.

...hmm. Good catch. I hate it when I do that.

The prevailing view I hoped to make and that seems to exist everywhere I've been is that you want to do these two things, with the first taking priority over the second:
- Maintain a member base of active, intelligent, contributing members
- Turn unproductive members into productive members
New sites might be desperate for people, but the Gym is anything but (and yet at the same time, it kind of is...). So it seems odd to me that their philosophy is flip-flopped into:
- Allow any members, productive or otherwise.
- Promote an environment suitable for any member.
- Maintain a contributing member base.
Like I've said in the past, if they want to keep those priorities in that order, that's fine - but it sounds like R_A wants to switch them up a little, and you can't be half-hearted about it, really, otherwise you'll never get anywhere serious.

I do think it's important to let up the choke hold and let people be a LITTLE more ... immature. Outright flaming is really never acceptable and I have been using it only in an abstract sense. Flaming should mean pointless and aggressive posting or behavior that only serves to aggravate other members. Discussion can be heated and emotional - as long as you stay on-track and continue to provide your reasoning, let the judgment of other members on your poor form be your punishment (goes for me too...).

Other than that, a restriction policy would probably work great.

Not as much as flaming would. Besides, if they are not going to bother lurking a bit, then they probably are the impulsive type who will post bad posts. This is different from flaming since with flaming, the flamers are the ones who caused the member to leave. Whereas with restrictions, it is their own apathy.

You will not attract many more members through one means than the other. Some people will continue to stick around as long as they can keep posting, even if only to ask loads and loads of questions (which we like!!). Others will just want to keep putting their thoughts out there at any opportunity, and are sensitive to responses but not to the number of posts they get. Which kind of member do you want, though?

Why did you say "basically" in your post, though?

As in, "basically the same thing"? Well, I have seen that "accumulating enough infraction points" can limit your posting rights, but to what extent? Until you reach that point, what REALLY is the difference between an infraction and a warning, to the member? The only difference is that one is ticking up to a threshold of "You've been naughty, go sit in time out". Warnings are no less unpleasant and aggravating to receive, and it's rather intentionally done that way, since you get a generic red-texted bold-lettered you have been naughty PM that looks very much like the infraction one.

I would be WAY happier to receive a PERSONALIZED touch on the shoulder for my offenses than an official warning PM. That makes me feel much more like I'm being watched for my own good rather than being lazily curbed to keep in line.

 

[amphy#1]

Wow!! I've skimmed though most of these posts and I agree with most of these ideas. I've also been at tournaments where I've asked players do they post on the Gym. They tell me no, or I have an account but don't really post there. Which tells me that most of them are lurkers. They just pass all the junk on the site and post when they want to.

I have to admit, I've become a lurker. When the strategy post aren't that appealing, and when you fear being ripped off by traders when you do trade (if I have good cards to trade, which I don't), when you can't help players in the deck help section, when all they play is net decks, and when your deck ideas get shot down by noobs. Also, when I take the time to post up League info, and no one post. Then you become a lurker.

I used to tell players to talk to me on the Gym after league, or after a tourney. I used to tell them to post their deck on here for help, because there were so many players at league that I couldn't get to everyone. Now I don't bother with that. I don't even tell people I'm on the Gym anymore. I really hope we can turn this around, because I am bored out of my mind looking at all of the crap on here.

Great thread RA.

 

[Melee Mewtwo]

The prevailing view I hoped to make and that seems to exist everywhere I've been is that you want to do these two things, with the first taking priority over the second:
- Maintain a member base of active, intelligent, contributing members
- Turn unproductive members into productive members
New sites might be desperate for people, but the Gym is anything but (and yet at the same time, it kind of is...). So it seems odd to me that their philosophy is flip-flopped into:
- Allow any members, productive or otherwise.
- Promote an environment suitable for any member.
- Maintain a contributing member base.
Like I've said in the past, if they want to keep those priorities in that order, that's fine - but it sounds like R_A wants to switch them up a little, and you can't be half-hearted about it, really, otherwise you'll never get anywhere serious.

What is wrong with the first two prioritys? The next three are fine, since the changes should make them fall into the very first.

I think R_A's goal is reformation not revolution. This may sound a bit too exaggerated, but I hope you understand the point I am trying to make.

(I'm not sure I understood what you were trying to say, it's late and I am a bit more slow than usual. So, if I am completely off, could you please reword what you are trying to say here?)

I do think it's important to let up the choke hold and let people be a LITTLE more ... immature. Outright flaming is really never acceptable and I have been using it only in an abstract sense. Flaming should mean pointless and aggressive posting or behavior that only serves to aggravate other members. Discussion can be heated and emotional - as long as you stay on-track and continue to provide your reasoning, let the judgment of other members on your poor form be your punishment (goes for me too...).

I think this would be go more with the discussion of the harshness of our mods, something I can not discuss since I have not had enough experience with them to be able to create a legitimate stance.

You will not attract many more members through one means than the other. Some people will continue to stick around as long as they can keep posting, even if only to ask loads and loads of questions (which we like!!). Others will just want to keep putting their thoughts out there at any opportunity, and are sensitive to responses but not to the number of posts they get. Which kind of member do you want, though?

This is where Guru Points would come in. It would encourage the good posts while avoiding counter-attacks from our sensitive members, who are most likely not going to take criticism lying down. A critical environment may decrease the number of bad posters in comparison to a restricted one, but a restricted one will increase the number of good posters in comparison to a critical one. Either way, restriction is a solution that maintains the original goal of keeping this site acceptable to children and their parents.

As in, "basically the same thing"? Well, I have seen that "accumulating enough infraction points" can limit your posting rights, but to what extent? Until you reach that point, what REALLY is the difference between an infraction and a warning, to the member? The only difference is that one is ticking up to a threshold of "You've been naughty, go sit in time out". Warnings are no less unpleasant and aggravating to receive, and it's rather intentionally done that way, since you get a generic red-texted bold-lettered you have been naughty PM that looks very much like the infraction one.

I would be WAY happier to receive a PERSONALIZED touch on the shoulder for my offenses than an official warning PM. That makes me feel much more like I'm being watched for my own good rather than being lazily curbed to keep in line.

Whoops, I meant here.

I like the idea of an article that explains standard archetypical cards to play, but we already have that in this forum, basically.

Though, you do make a good point. However, I think the problem comes when people confuse the two. When you share your experiences, accidently replacing "warning" with "infraction" exaggerates an already serious issue.

 

[Kayle]

What is wrong with the first two prioritys? The next three are fine, since the changes should make them fall into the very first.

I think R_A's goal is reformation not revolution. This may sound a bit too exaggerated, but I hope you understand the point I am trying to make.

(I'm not sure I understood what you were trying to say, it's late and I am a bit more slow than usual. So, if I am completely off, could you please reword what you are trying to say here?)

You are a little off, yeah.

The first two priorities are what I generally see in other sites.

The second list, of three, is what I see in this site. The main point being, normally the QUALITY of the member base is far more important than the QUANTITY (and safety).

I think this would be go more with the discussion of the harshness of our mods, something I can not discuss since I have not had enough experience with them to be able to create a legitimate stance.

Wow why are you so cool. But seriously I wish more active Gym members were like you haha! If everyone waited until they had experienced a great deal of matches with a deck to post detailed theorymon on it, we would all be so much better off!

This is where Guru Points would come in. It would encourage the good posts while avoiding counter-attacks from our sensitive members, who are most likely not going to take criticism lying down. A critical environment may decrease the number of bad posters in comparison to a restricted one, but a restricted one will increase the number of good posters in comparison to a critical one. Either way, restriction is a solution that maintains the original goal of keeping this site acceptable to children and their parents.

We have Thanks in place right now which are a great deal easier to implement.

Whoops, I meant here.
Though, you do make a good point. However, I think the problem comes when people confuse the two. When you share your experiences, accidently replacing "warning" with "infraction" exaggerates an already serious issue.

I say "basically" because what's important is buried quite deep in the topic and it's difficult to find it in there.

 

[Melee Mewtwo]

You are a little off, yeah.

The first two priorities are what I generally see in other sites.

The second list, of three, is what I see in this site. The main point being, normally the QUALITY of the member base is far more important than the QUANTITY (and safety).

We have Thanks in place right now which are a great deal easier to implement.

Well, the Guru Points would help with the first one, since it would show appreciation for the good posters. Something the thanks option does not quite do enough. The second is not something that can be directly solved, but can be reduced. A restricted environment would help with the second, since it would help with assimilating the new members. Add in setting the good posters as role models through Guru Points, and the unproductive members should begin to disappear. However, you were talking about PokeGym's prioritys which I may not necessarily reflect.

I say "basically" because what's important is buried quite deep in the topic and it's difficult to find it in there.

Which is why we should dig it all up, put it in a polished article, and place it for all to easily see. Heck, we could make it a front page article. It might redeem PokeGym's reputation for bad front page articles. (not all at once, but it would be a good start)

 

[toxictaipan]

Yeah, I don't think the thanks feature cuts it. It's nice, but a good post might go un-thanked, or a bad post might get thanked by an inexperienced player. Also, lots of thanks go out to posts that aren't even advice, so it's hard to track someone's usefulness by their thanks count in their profile.

I think we should re-implement the Guru Points system, just without the points. On another site a visit (that has 1,570,067 members. So if it's not too much work for them, I don't want to hear about how it's too much work for you), they have a "Who to listen to" thread stickied at the top of some of their forum sections. Members who give out good advice get added to the list. The Guru Points made it to where you had to constantly monitor a member and reward points based on every post. This system is just drag, drop, and done. However, a user's name should only be added to the list if they constantly give out good advice. A couple good tips just doesn't get you in.

 

[Rogue Archetype]

EDIT: Also, this forum has 1,570,067 members. So if it's not too much work for them, I don't want to hear about how it's too much work for you.

We don't allow people to have multiple accounts. So, you very well may have only a fraction of that in ip specific terms.

If you don't want to hear about it, you'll have to stop reading man.

Most of us have 9 - 5 jobs and families. I'm NOT committing to managing one million people for ANY reason or task.

We're really not interested in BECOMING another site. We're just trying to improve this one. We happen to like it.

You don't buy a new Mazda and talk all day about the neighbors Toyota. You trick-out the Mazda and show it off. We're not interested in getting the Toyota. Nah mean?

 

[EeveeLover]

EDIT: Also, this forum has 1,570,067 members. So if it's not too much work for them, I don't want to hear about how it's too much work for you.

I am thinking your stats are a bit off...

Members: 19,575
Threads: 128,352
Posts: 1,786,312

Yeah, I don't think the thanks feature cuts it. It's nice, but a good post might go un-thanked, or a bad post might get thanked by an inexperienced player. Also, lots of thanks go out to posts that aren't even advice, so it's hard to track someone's usefulness by their thanks count in their profile.

I think we should re-implement the Guru Points system, just without the points. On another site a visit, they have a "Who to listen to" thread stickied at the top of some of their forum sections. Members who give out good advice get added to the list. The Guru Points made it to where you had to constantly monitor a member and reward points based on every post. This system is just drag, drop, and done. However, a user's name should only be added to the list if they constantly give out good advice. A couple good tips just doesn't get you in.

Post thanks was not intended or designed to replace the guru system in any way.

The Guru system, as it stood, required constant monitoring by R_A. No matter what you want to hear about time available and such, it does not change the reality that he only has so much time in the day. Time that he does dedicate to his real job, his real family, his real life.

 

[Melee Mewtwo]

Does it have to be R_A running the system? Couldn't it be somebody who has the time? Does it even have to be a Mod?

 

[toxictaipan]

We don't allow people to have multiple accounts. So, you very well may have only a fraction of that in ip specific terms.

If you don't want to hear about it, you'll have to stop reading man.

Most of us have 9 - 5 jobs and families. I'm NOT committing to managing one million people for ANY reason or task.

We're really not interested in BECOMING another site. We're just trying to improve this one. We happen to like it.

You don't buy a new Mazda and talk all day about the neighbors Toyota. You trick-out the Mazda and show it off. We're not interested in getting the Toyota. Nah mean?

This other site doesn't allow people to have multiple accounts, either. People make them, but when they're found, all related accounts are perma-banned. People on this site have made multiple accounts before, too. That's just part of the forum business.

If there aren't enough people on the staff to get the job done then the staff needs more members.

I'm just suggesting things that another successful site is doing. You want to improve your site? Look to people who are "doin' it rite."

I am thinking your stats are a bit off...





Post thanks was not intended or designed to replace the guru system in any way.

The Guru system, as it stood, required constant monitoring by R_A. No matter what you want to hear about time available and such, it does not change the reality that he only has so much time in the day. Time that he does dedicate to his real job, his real family, his real life.

I was referring to the member count of a guitar forum that I visit, not PokeGym. I understand that thanks were not implemented to replace Guru Points, I was simply responding to what some of the other members were saying.


Like Melee Mewtwo said, does R_A have to be the only one to do it? It can't be a staff effort to make the community better? It's not like the mods on this other site don't have lives either, but they do it. If they can, I don't see why you can't. If there isn't enough time for the staff to help make the community better, then God, what are you going to do? Turning around this site's reputation is going to be hard work, sorry.

If you've got better ideas I'd like to hear 'em.


EDIT: Also, editing a thread takes absolutely no effort at all. You're all moderators anyway, so you're reading through threads period. If you see a particular person constantly giving out good advice, it takes you what, 3 clicks and a little typing or copy/pasting to go edit another thread? And it's not like it has to instantaneous. If you're so tight on time that you can't click the mouse 3 times and copy/paste a few screen names, it can wait until you have a minute.

The points aspect is what made Guru Points so hard, not to mention R_A was doing it all on his own. You had to constantly keep up with individual members and update their stats. Dropping a helpful person's name into a thread and then leaving it there isn't as hard as that. I realize I could have been a little more sensitive in the way I suggested the idea, that was my bad.

 

[Kayle]

Don't forget, not only do you have to put the people up there... once they're there, they need to be monitored so that if they STOP giving good advice... they should be taken down.

This does happen...

 

[Rainbowgym]

R_A

I will try to adress an issue you have with the strategy board.

Why are people calling for a list?
Because they didn't learn how to make a deck.
Since I am around for ages I think this has partly to do with the format we have right now (so nothing the gym can change)
People go to a tournament, see certain cards ending up in "each" winning deck and they want to use them.
In a "normal" format (so not the 1 hit KO, first turn kill, ) those "netdeckers" would not do very well with list they "borrowed". However with the cards we have now it's different (trying to keep it nice)

That's why you see a lot of "build me a (card XX) deck".
People who stepped in the last 2 years even don't know any better, they are "raised" with a format which simply isn't encouraging any creativity.

Not much to change about that, seems only to me it's one of the problems.

Another problem I have seen, people not really reading what some new players are asking for.
I somebody is posting a list (even a half one) with Ursaring as main attacker, and asking what to play with it.
The first thing I read is " get rid of Ursaring and play Gyarados/Luxray/Gengar".
Why?
That was not the question, and why shouldn't Ursaring be used?
If you enjoy a certain Pokemon why is there always a discussion/advice to drop it?

I used to drop into those topics and try to help but I stopped doing it, because I got very annoyed by reading the same "advice" over and over again.
What a lot of people seem to forget there are many many players who are not into the "get points for Worlds invite" mood.
They simply want to learn and play this game with the cards they like.
What is so wrong about that? That is the way everybody should start and not with a netdecked list.

What worries me most, seeing many many Juniors only using Gyarados/Luxchomp/Sableye.
That's not in the nature of Juniors, they like big attackers and have Favorite Pokemon they want to use.
It looks like they are "forced" into something, not sure by who, but again I think it's the format who makes this happen.

Don't know how to get quality advice back.
I might think I am giving good advice, while others say I don't.
To be honest, If I have a deck made which can do very well I am not willing to share it untill the moment it's countered or lost it's value for me.
So why do people expect top notch decklists on the frontpage?

And people not willing to be associated with Pokegym has to do most times because they netdeck and are not willing to admit this.
It's not a shame for being around here, it's more admitting they cannot build a deck and that's something they don't want to admit.
For those who are looking for it, this site has a lot of information, but you need to invest some time to find it.

Was this still on topic or am I way off?

 

[toxictaipan]

Don't forget, not only do you have to put the people up there... once they're there, they need to be monitored so that if they STOP giving good advice... they should be taken down.

This does happen...

Yeah, but you don't just go around added people in willy nilly. You should have to have a decent history of giving good advice often to be added. If you're adding enough people that stop giving out good advice to where it becomes a problem, you're doing it wrong.

I guess it's possible, but I'd say that generally, people who give out lots of good advice aren't just going to lose their experience like that. And hey, if they do, it only take 3 clicks to take them off the list.

 

[Kayle]

But it takes a lot of effort to pay attention and notice without being unbased or random about it in any way.

It might only take a few clicks and key presses to update the list of good members, but it takes a lot of effort to keep the mental prospective list updated.

 

[toxictaipan]

Look, I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but it's better than no system at all. Another forum I frequent uses it, I just thought I'd share the idea.

What's the worst that could happen? It absolutely failing? It's not like it's irreversible if we try it out for a while just to see how it goes, so being reluctant to at least try it seems silly to me.

EDIT: Basically, anything you do to reward members is going to take some work. Whether you sticky a thread full of user names, make a custom logo and put it over their user names, or whatever else you can come up with, individual people have to be monitored. That's just the nature of it.


...
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Or we could scrap the idea of rewarding helpful members altogether. It's whatever.

 

[Rogue Archetype]

This other site doesn't allow people to have multiple accounts, either. People make them, but when they're found, all related accounts are perma-banned. People on this site have made multiple accounts before, too. That's just part of the forum business.

I was referring to the member count of a guitar forum that I visit, not PokeGym. I understand that thanks were not implemented to replace Guru Points, I was simply responding to what some of the other members were saying.

Oh ok. Yeah. Some of those sites have moderators who's JOB IS to deal with the web-business and moderate the boards throughout the day. The difference is, PokeGym mods are unpaid volunteers who just do this to keep it a clean resource for promoting the game.

If I were making $40k+ a year to sit down and read webpages, there'd be nothing to talk about; it'd be DONE already... lol

I usually agree with everything you say, but this "you've got a job to do so DO IT!" approach is really lacking perspective.

NOW... ABOUT THE "OTHER" MODS...

I wasn't really going to speak to this because they like to work out things and then 'reveal' it once it's perfect, but names are being drug through the dirt here so I will say a little bit...

EeveeLover is ALL OVER this topic and has been reading-and-responding every single day in PMs and on the MOD boards. SDPokeMom has been dropping in, reading, and responding. Prime, BJJ, and DaFish have about a 3-page conversation going on in the MOD boards about remedies.

LucarioEX sent me a PM that was SO LONG she had to break it up into three Max'd out PM submissions just to send me her entire message!

Evil Psyduck has been trying to discuss ways to change the public's perception about him while trying to enforce rules in a consistent manner.

So, I can tell you that the mods want to do great things; they don't want the site to be anything less than spectacular; they are human.

When you cut a mod, does he not bleed?

If someone created a 10 page thread about how bad YOU are as a player, how would you take it?

Consider that those pages will have mixed messages:

1. Y'all mods suck.
2. My OTHER site is better
3. I don't like coming here.
4. Well, I guess this is a great site but..
5. I appreciate what you guys do because... I guess you just need ...
6. Your members are all bottom-feeding newbies.
7. Your members suck.
8. Noone comes here anymore
9. EVERYONE comes here but noone wants to post here because...
10. You guys will NEVER get better because you won't do what I suggest...
11. Everything you've tried has and will fail ...
12. *random rant about personal infraction experience here*
13. You used to have some good things that I liked. You should bring those back.
14. I used to love it here, but I got tired of other people messing it up for me.
15. I still come here , but I don't like to post because of other people flaming.
16. Everyone just talks about the same stuff over and over
17. I don't like when people post nonsense. You should get rid of the nonsense.
18. People don't get to say what they want here.
19. People post too many off-topic remarks. That should be stopped.
20. Why can't you clean up EVERY thread? Isn't that what you do?
21. There's no way to control what everyone posts, people are just going to have to deal with it.
22. We should be allowed to tell people off and curse on this board.
23. There should be a seperate forum for people who are not any good at this game.
24. You guys should go look at the other boards and just copy what they do. Then you'd be spot-on.

I can go on and on.

The point is... everyone has an opinion; very few have a perspective.

Everybody think that a Quarterback has an easy job; you just pass a ball or hand it off. Right?
One day behind an NFL center and you'd have an ENTIRELY different opinion.
Why? Perspective. When you realize there is MUCH MUCH more to the position than appears on the surface, gather a deeper understanding of why everything is not as simple as you thought.

There are so many things that are being worked on and, at the same time, so many things that can't be done because one fix creates another break in the mechanism. That's an issue called "balance" which is another topic altogether.

Anyway, please don't assume I'm the ONLY mod concerned with improvement. These discussions are extended far into the mod boards DAILY.

 

[EeveeLover]

First off, I want to thank R_A for all the time he has spent in this topic, as well as thank the members that have been involved in these discussions.

The entire Staff, meaning all of us, are discussing a lot of what is being posted here. We are looking at options and other things that can make the forums better for all.

If we were not interested in your thoughts and the discussions this topic has started, we would have simply killed R_A and fed him to bulbasnore's kitten by now. :lol:

We all know we are not perfect, we are really aware of that. We also know that we want to improve the site - we wanted that before this topic was started, btw.

Second, keep the ideas flowing.