Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Rare Candy Question...

Status
Not open for further replies.
DaytonGymLeader said:
Look at the "baby" cards in this set. They don't have the text that shows what they evolve in to. Hopefully this is a templating problem that will be fixed very shortly. Technically, the babies can't evolve unless the text is present, unless there's a blurb in the Sandstorm Rule Book that says so. I don't think we can just take the WotC cards as precedent
Click to expand...

First off, the "Baby" cards in this set are actually Basic Pokemon. That change is by design I think. They don't have text that says what they evolve into because they have a Power that allows them to evolve, and specifies what they evolve into. The times they are a changin'. :D

BDS
 
Could the "Stage 1" part of the text be actually useless? Either that or there will be a card that will come out that will disable players to evolve normally, thus making the stage 1 part of the effect able to bypass this evil card.

Anyone else have an idea why it refers to the Stage 1 Pokemon?
 
Last edited:
What bout evolving the same pokemon twice a turn that has already been out? Anyone think of that??

And again can anyone explain what the card can be used for?
 
Kanga Da Roo said:
What bout evolving the same pokemon twice a turn that has already been out? Anyone think of that??

And again can anyone explain what the card can be used for?
Click to expand...
The text "counts as evolving" barrs that from happening.

Think of this card as a Pokemon Breeder. It does the same thing with less text.
 
Jimmer's official ruling said you can't evolve a Pokemon that was just put in play, so I presume that include Evolution cards played this turn.

Edit: Darn, Dayton beat me.
 
Last edited:
so once again, What can we use this card for if we cant use it for any of other reason.

I still think it allows first turn evo but apprantly no one else thinks this.

Also it doesnt have the text that Pokemon Breeder does that says that u CAN'T use it first turn.

But Rare Candy doesnt say to skip a stage, it says evolve. Rare Candy doesnt state that you can't evolve first turn.


eDIT: There is finally a scan for the card. If that doesnt explain first turn evo then i dunno what does.

Actual Card Text: Choose 1 of your Basic Pokemon in play. If you have a Stage 1 or Stage 2 card that evloves form that Pokemon in your hand, put that card on the Basic Pokemon (This count as evolving that Pokemon.)
 
Last edited:
I hate to say it, but I disagree with MTJimmer regarding the phrase "this counts as evolving".

That phrase has always just referred to the removal of effects and conditions. It should not restrict this card to only evolving when evolving could normally be done.

As pointed out, what would be the point of Stage 1 being a choice?
 
Mr. Grass said:
This ruling brings up a couple questions for me:
1. Are all the older cards that have the "counts as evolving" text also not able to break the first turn/inplay rule? So would I have to wait a turn before I could Chain Reaction/Energy Evolve/Emerge?
2. If stage 1's can't go onto babies with Rare Candy, and Rare Candy doesn't break the first turn/in play evolving rule, why does it mention Stage 1's?
Click to expand...
Question #1:

Wizards Pokemon Chat Log for 6/19/03
master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #2074 from m_p_douglas:
just as a reminder Nothing nothing stops Pokemon Powers or Attacks from evolving Pokemon. Not rules, not already having evolved that turn. Not being the first turn. Not being the first turn on the table, Not a Pokemon Power like the "can't evolve fossil group"...
master_trainer_mike says, "Correct, UNLESS using the attack itslef is prevented (such as facing a baby Pokemon and missing the flip) for example"
master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #2075 from i_luv_my_oddish:
All right, thanks for all of the rulings answers. I'll be keeping my eye on the Compendium. Speaking of which, do you know what's going to happen with the Compendium after Wizards loses control?
master_trainer_mike says, "We do not control the Compendium. That is a fan run web site."
master_trainer_mike says, "They are in charge of their own destiny."
master_trainer_mike says, "We wish them best of luck :)"
​
...............................​

Question #2​

From MT Jimmer:​

"The new Pichu doesn't evolve into Pikachu normally - it's got a Poke-Power, Baby Evolution. This part is kind of difficult to wrap your head around it...but it does make sense......That's the logic part. The answer is: You cannot Rare Candy Pichu into Raichu ex. Raichu ex doesn't think it should evolve from Pichu - Pichu now only becomes Pikachu on a technicality (Poke-Power)."​

MT Jimmer was definately talking about the "new Babies" in Sandstorm,
but the question of whether Neo Cleffa can use "Rare Candy to
become Jungle Clefable is not definately 100% yes or no in his answer.
Perhaps, we should give him a day or two to call Japan and ask them...
 
i personally think that the card gives u the choice of either evolving to the Stage 1 or the Stage 2 on first turn or first turn in play.

The text (this counts as Evolving the that Pokemon) only stands for the removal of special conditions. Not the restriction of evolution.

Edit: I also think everyone should look at Wally's Training. It has the same problem that Rare Candy does.
 
Last edited:
Big Daddy Snorlax said:
Well, since there is a "Master Trainer" title under mtjimmer's screen name, we now have our answer. Since he now makes the rulings, just like MTM used to, the ruling on Rare Candy is no breaking of the rules of evolution. No first turn evolutions. No evolving on the turn played. You certainly could use it like you used to use Breeder, so a Basic could go to a Stage 2, as long as that Basic could evolve normally. It can't be used on Babies, since the Evolved Pokemon cannot see the Baby as it looks back along its evolution chain. Too bad on that one.

BDS
Click to expand...

flame me if you want, but i think mtjimmer is wrong. where does mtjimmer get his rulings from anyways? does he just make them up himself? do the rulings come from the 'research & development' department, if one actually exists at the nintendo office...? do they come from japan? where?

it doesn't matter to me if he has a fancy "Master Trainer" title under his name, a bad ruling is a bad ruling. i believe more 'research & development' needs to be done about this card.
 
TrEkIeV said:
flame me if you want, but i think mtjimmer is wrong. where does mtjimmer get his rulings from anyways? does he just make them up himself? do the rulings come from the 'research & development' department, if one actually exists at the nintendo office...? do they come from japan? where?

it doesn't matter to me if he has a fancy "Master Trainer" title under his name, a bad ruling is a bad ruling. i believe more 'research & development' needs to be done about this card.
Click to expand...


Well, there have been several rulings in the past that MTM made and later changed, perhaps MTJ will change his mind, but he is the final authority and without rules we would have chaos...

I really liked the idea of evolving babies to the stage 1 evolution, however, it makes sense that if you start at Raichu and work backwords de-evolving into Pikachu you can't go back any further because there is no evolves from info on the Pikachu card.

I'm glad that it has been ruled that Rare Candy disallows first turn evolutions. It would be a pretty broken card if it did.

So until MTJ changes his ruling that is the ruling.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with that. The card's text states it plain as day on how the card is used. The *This counts as evolving* doesnt stop it from happening turn1. Alot of other cards say the same thing. i.e Chain Reaction Eevee. This card would not work the same if the (counts as evolving ) bit would mean differently because of this card.

There is an actual scan of the card. I advise every to look at it.
 
TrEkIeV said:
flame me if you want, but i think mtjimmer is wrong. where does mtjimmer get his rulings from anyways? does he just make them up himself? do the rulings come from the 'research & development' department, if one actually exists at the nintendo office...? do they come from japan? where?

it doesn't matter to me if he has a fancy "Master Trainer" title under his name, a bad ruling is a bad ruling. i believe more 'research & development' needs to be done about this card.
Click to expand...

No flaming required. My point is that MTJ now has the same status in the game that MTM has. He is the Organized Play Manager for Pokemon USA Inc. As such, he is the ruling authority when issues like this arise. As we transition to the new OP structure, people need to become familiar with the new people in charge. That's all I was pointing out.

As to where he gets his rulings, well, you'll have to ask him. Can he be wrong? Sure he can. It was pointed out that MTM has, on occasion, reversed a ruling. In fact, TC was often leading the opposition to ruling decisions that didn't make sense. HOWEVER, until the person given the responsibility for making the rulings (now MT Jimmer) reverses the decision, the ruling stands. Discussion certainly can continue, but Judges should rule in accordance with the ruling until it is Officially changed.

BDS
 
If that is the case then what is the purpose of the card? Same with Wally's Training.

I just really wanna understand the use of the card if its not a first turn evo 1. I personally dont want 1st turn evo myself i just see that by the text of the card it sure makes it sound like first turn evo.

If jimmer is our new "MTM" than can he explain the cards use?
 
Last edited:
Kanga Da Roo said:
If that is the case then what is the purpose of the card? Same with Wally's Training.

I just really wanna understand the use of the card if its not a first turn evo 1. I personally dont want 1st turn evo myself i just see that by the text of the card it sure makes it sound like first turn evo.

If jimmer is our new "MTM" than can he explain the cards use?
Click to expand...

I think you got so tied up in the 1st turn evolution aspect that you are having trouble seeing the card for what it is. Rare Candy essentially is a new version of Pokemon Breeder. You use it to go from a Basic to Stage 2 directly. It's a speed card, allowing you to get a Stage 2 out on the turn after you play the Basic. It's not for every deck, but judging from the number of Pokemon Breeders that were put in decks, this card will see lots of play, even if the current ruling stands.

Wally's Training is similar, but adds a search function. It allows you to find the evolution in your deck and place it on your Active Pokemon. The way it is worded, I'd say it also allows you to skip a Stage 1, just like a Breeder. Whether these cards allow you to break the rules of evolution or not, they are very useful!

BDS
 
Big Daddy Snorlax said:
I think you got so tied up in the 1st turn evolution aspect that you are having trouble seeing the card for what it is. Rare Candy essentially is a new version of Pokemon Breeder. You use it to go from a Basic to Stage 2 directly. It's a speed card, allowing you to get a Stage 2 out on the turn after you play the Basic. It's not for every deck, but judging from the number of Pokemon Breeders that were put in decks, this card will see lots of play, even if the current ruling stands.

Wally's Training is similar, but adds a search function. It allows you to find the evolution in your deck and place it on your Active Pokemon. The way it is worded, I'd say it also allows you to skip a Stage 1, just like a Breeder. Whether these cards allow you to break the rules of evolution or not, they are very useful!

BDS
Click to expand...

Yeah i saw that its pretty much a new breeder but what about the Stage 1 part of Rare Candy? This is the only part of this card that still confuses me.
 
I mainly wanna get this lil deal solved so when my friends and everyone else gets the set, i can have an answer to thier confusion.
 
Big Daddy Snorlax said:
It was pointed out that MTM has, on occasion, reversed a ruling. In fact, TC was often leading the opposition to ruling decisions that didn't make sense. HOWEVER, until the person given the responsibility for making the rulings (now MT Jimmer) reverses the decision, the ruling stands. Discussion certainly can continue, but Judges should rule in accordance with the ruling until it is Officially changed.

BDS
Click to expand...

Ugh! Of course, back in "the day" it would come up in the next week's chat session; most ruling corrections were made the next week (IIRC from editing the Comp). We're in limbo right now because it will be a while before that sort of feedback system is set up. What is good is that there are some people who are in contact with MTJ about this, unfortunately MTJ appears to be without the full benefit of access to the varied opinions of the community. Unless, of course, he lurks here... ;)

I wonder how this will affect interplayability of the WotC cards with the Nintendo ones, since cards seem to have been printed with different ideas of playing mechanics in mind. I guess we can't go wrong with the first rule of Pokemon playing:

1. Read the card!

Now I'm wondering if there will have to be a separate rules fork for Nintendo...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top