Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

States and rogues

Since Pelliper only has 70HP, they would just have to evolve their Ralts into Kirlia. After that, Gardevior lv.X could bring down and even with Pelliper having the same HP as Absol, they can choose Pelliper to bring down. Pelliper only does 50 damage, so it's not like it could two-hit KO Gardevior lv.X under any circumstances.

I feel you can't just throw a counter out like that in today's format. Decks have too many options now, and if you find a pokemon that can hurt Gallade, Gardevior will just step up. If you find a pokemon that can hurt Magmortar, Delcatty ex will just step up. If you are immune to Sonic Blade, they will just Bring Down your benched pokemon. If you can't be sniped on the bench, they will just burn your active and KO it in the same turn with multiple scramble energy.

The days when a player could just run a counter to the big decks and do as well as the big decks is over imho because there aren't as concrete counters anymore.
 
Bring Down does hurt Togekiss/Pelliper pretty bad, however I think with Unown G you can work around it. In one game against GG, Pelliper OHKO'd a Gardy Lv. X three times in a row. I lost that one though, as we basically exchanged prized until the end game, where Togekiss/Pelliper is weak. I'm hoping Palkia Lv. X helps with this late game weakness.

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Prime - This is Pelliper (GE), which can OHKO a Gardy Lv. X pretty easy. :thumb:
 
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Muk, your posts really made me smile. I had a Claydol / Omastar PK deck that I never had the guts to run last year. Posted about it in the delta thread but let the idea die. Posted about Peleliper as a Gallade annoyer too. But I never would have put the two ideas togethter. Love your creativity man!
 
I'm confused! Someone asked about Pelliper (GE) Then, Muk Man replied about another Pelliper. I'm staying out of this thread. Apparently, I'm Pelliper crazy. :eek:

You can ignore my above post.
 
not really, because you use claydol to spread the damage early so unless they use their rare candies to go strait to kirlia or gardy then they take damage. if they do..... then those candies won't be there later in the gameafter bring down.

I never said it would be easy i didnt say it was perfect. i just said it was a counter it has options and i have tested it out. pretty consistent. But ninetails is just better because i woul typeshift and become lightning and just ohe shot pelliper.... thae same as it does gardy galade.

plus i left out a few options as it is the deck im running at states...thats why it doesn't seem as good
 
X2 WILL win somthing, given I'm able to get what I need to build it in time for states.

red face paint decks FTW!!!
 
Hm, I think Todd has a valid point. Just because someones deck is different doesn't mean it's good. True rogue decks aren't "counter" decks to the metagame, or that "beat" the most popular decks in the format.

True rogue decks are built by rogue players, players who strategize and play differently than most others. It's not always what you play, but how you play it that makes a deck a 'rogue deck'.

There have been really successful rogue decks that never became mainstream or heavily played. The reason is because so few people know how to make it work, know how to play it the way it's meant to be played.

In my opinion, a true rogue deck is unique to a player and his playing style. It is different but it has what it takes to win, not entirely because of the cards in it, but also by the player and his style.

The difference between archetype decks and rogue decks is that archetype decks have a strategy that is simple to understand, as well as effective and powerful. Rogue decks, too, are effective and powerful, but they have a strategy and style that is unique to the person that made it.
 
3l3d33z said:
There have been really successful rogue decks that never became mainstream or heavily played. The reason is because so few people know how to make it work, know how to play it the way it's meant to be played.

In my opinion, a true rogue deck is unique to a player and his playing style. It is different but it has what it takes to win, not entirely because of the cards in it, but also by the player and his style.
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True. look at Jake burt in NC who Won with Polistall. That was a rogue deck. when he played it. sure other tried to imitate but no one ever had the same amount of success as he did
 
G&G will lose but for the most part...WIN!!! You can lose 1 round in Swiss to a counter deck (Not everyone will be playing the so called "X2" or a G&G counter) so don't worry about it. I still think G&G will reamain a TOP deck for the whole season but, might get taken down a few notches after DP5 comes out.
 
Posted by Bulbsnore:Thought of it first is awful hard to prove in most cases. We believe James as much as you, right?

Look, this is why you mail yourself your manuscript or register it formally to HELP you prove copyright on a work of fiction. It isn't required, but you can end up in an unprovable argument, unless you do.

Now, no one is going to post their exact list in advance on a public forum (almost no one) to prove they thought of it first. So what is the Pokemon TCG equivalent of copyright?

You can say, I won with this first, if you pub your list. You can say, I was the first to win with this combo, if you played it at a tourney. That we can check.

"My idea?" Not to pick on you, but I see this all the time (years) here. A totally unique idea is awfully rare, and even harder to prove that you thought of it first. I recommend, "I thought of that, too". Or, "I was the first to win" with X. See, you could still be the first to win States with EmpBan.


Bulbasnore, check I think page 5 it was 1 of my deck ideas, but anyway you are right about that! Anyone could have thought of it first, I actually thought of adding the Gyrados, but thought Empy would have been better! I just like to build things like this with crazy ideas, you see! It really keeps me playing this game!!!:thumb:
 
I think 3l3d33z just gave the best explanation of what a true "rogue" deck is.

Also G&G as well as Magmortor are going to still be extremely successful during states but I think there are a few good cards that came out in GE that will be able to give those decks problems. Depending on what the US gets in its DP5 set it will probably be the set that hopefully adds some more variety into the format.
 
all a rogue deck is is a deck that works good that hasn't caught on for whatever reason it has nothing to do with how simple or complex or special it is, it's just something less known of, it doesn't really have to do with the player's style or whatever, that brings to mind someone playing a bad deck because it's their style to play with "cute" pokemon or some other dumb theme like that rogue decks don't follow any guidelines like that, it's just a word it's not anything special, really all it means is that it's not a tier 1 deck, it doesn't imply that you have some spiritual connection with your cards

some rogue decks can be tier 1 but i want to really point out the difference in skill between some of the players posting here i don't really think this is a valid discussion because of it, bad ideas go under the radar in a thread like this , in the confusion people can say whatever they want and get away with it or even have people agree with it because noones really on the same page

BANGINBOX said:
Understandable....

Trust me this time...

Magmortar is the toughest matchup...
but still VERY beatable...

Bliss and gallade arent event close....

You'll see in 2 weeks...

Jimmy
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is this going to be like how ambush's worst matchups were ape and delta or was it someone other than jimmy that told that lie on pokegym to get people to play the decks it did best against
 
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It's near impossible to go rogue this season and be successful. If your rogue deck beats G&G it will probably lose to Blissey or just somehow lose to one of the top three decks. I'm working on a rogue right now that doesn't have any bad match-up and almost auto-wins Magmortar. I'm definately going to be playing it at one of the two states I'm attending if I can get the cards for it, so hopefully we'll get to see it on the states winners list but who knows.
 
smacktack15 said:
You can lose 1 round in Swiss to a counter deck (Not everyone will be playing the so called "X2" or a G&G counter) so don't worry about it.
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But what if that counter deck isnt just for GG and that can contend v.s the rest of the decks?

Its just going to be a NEW deck that GG wont be ready for ......thus having the edge
 
exactly

there's no reason why, other than players like jimmy ballard who have based their pokemon career off countering the metagame,anyone would play a counter deck instead of a BETTER deck other than because they're not good enough to come up with an archetype,

beleive me when people say rogue verse archetypes you can see who knows what they are talking about because when jimmy makes a rogue deck it becomes an archetype, just worry about making a good deck if you play pokemon to win don't worry about politics, if you are good enough you can win with your own deck but theres no shame in playing someone elses deck ESPECIALLY GALLADE there's no deck to copy it can have so many different starters and techs and strats, the only thing you're really copying is the main pokemon, but the build is in your hands and so are the techs

being an individual isn't the same thing as being different
 
Pelliper isn't a pokemon,

Shouldn't it be Pelipper, you guys confused me there for a minute.
 
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