King Piplup
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Look at WWWW Regionals-
x8 Zekeel
x1 Durant
No stage two's there.
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Look at WWWW Regionals-
x8 Zekeel
x1 Durant
No stage two's there.
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Electric Spider
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Look at what won Regionals and States. How many Emboars, Typhlosions, and Vileplumes won compared to Zekeel and CMT? This is a format that's so fast that people are taking Collector out of their decks.
baby mario
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Wait . . .
You guys criticise thepliskin for relying on data from back when Reshiphlosion was good.
Then you cite Regionals/States results to back up your own arguments.
You do realise that by the time Hydreigon is released we will have whole new format following a rotation (to what, we don't even know)?
In other words, the evidence you are referring to won't be any more relevant than Pliskin's.
Electric Spider
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I still think that the format(maybe even the next one) has sped up to the point that Stage 2s are going to have a hard time keeping up. If the next rotation rotates out the HGSS block, the most dominant deck, Eelektrik, isn't losing much. This is the same deck that can consistently hit 80 on turn 2. I just don't see the game slowing down anytime. Then again it's all just speculation. Though, with Vileplume going away I would still much rather use Energy Switch over a clunky Stage 2.
King Piplup
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I never criticzed him for his "data". I criticized him for....
I'm an idiot. I didn't read the card closely. Ignore me.
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thepliskin5005
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Look you dont hafe to set up hydreigon right away you can attack with your basics at first it disrupt you. And that dosent matter this is to good to pass up.......well we can play this and you can't sound's good.
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I know for a fact you guys cant be right about this. I have a deck with a stage two and it does just fine. And its not like this deck wont act like a deck that just hase a bunch of power full basics
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I know for a fact you guys cant be right about this. I have a deck with a stage two and it does just fine. And its not like this deck wont act like a deck that just hase a bunch of power full basics
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You guys aren't giving stage 2s enough credit. You can easily bench 2 Deino and play twins with vileplume too. Even if stage 2s are ridiculously slow, even if stage 2s are bad RIGHT NOW, (maybe not so bad next few sets.....) even if stage 2s aren't as good as they used to be we still need cards like these to give us hope for a better tomorrow. Props to Pliskin for sniffing out a good card, but nobody knows how good this card will be. We just have to wait and find out.
PidgeyCornerFTW
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PidgeyCornerFTW
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His idea is to move energies around as he pleases so that Max Potion wouldn't have to discard any energy.
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TheRolesWePlay
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It's still a bad comparison. Grass has
a.) no real form of energy acceleration worth noting (Celebi is an exception).
b) doesn't have the same support (ie Darkrai EX)
c) Meganium has a high retreat cost (rectified by Darkrai)
d) not much in the way of good attackers
In any case I don't think it's a good combo IMO. Too much space required, and not much in the way of appealing pre-evos.
psychup2034
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Guys, I'll be the first to say that it really sucks to admit that I'm wrong, but I'm sorry for mocking the OP about Hydreigon. Although he proposed some questionable combos, he was right about the card.
A 3-1-3 line of Hydreigon is featured in the Japanese Masters division Nationals-winning deck.
Stage 2s are alive! :lol:
A 3-1-3 line of Hydreigon is featured in the Japanese Masters division Nationals-winning deck.
Stage 2s are alive! :lol:
baby mario
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The deck also played Darkrai and 3 max postions.
Pliskin . . . there are people on this site who owe you a big apology.
Pliskin . . . there are people on this site who owe you a big apology.
First off, it's great to see someone bold enough to apologize to someone else on a forum — doesn't happen very often. :thumb:
Second... can someone explain how the Japanese deck handles Rayquaza EX decks? I suppose it has something to do with killing off the eels system. Max Postions do nothing if you get OHKO'd, which is part of the appeal with Rayquaza EX, right? And the dragon weakness on Hydreigon is awful (also, don't tell me that Hydreigon can be a backup attacker against Rayquaza, it doesn't have a shot). Yes, Sigilyph is there... but I'm expecting REX decks to have a suitable counter to that card.
So, what's the deal...?
psychup2034
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I haven't played the deck, so I'm just speculating here, but I'd imagine that this is very similar to the ZPST vs. Reshiphlosion matchup of Fall Battle Roads. If ZPST could get quick knockouts on Cyndaquils early game, then Reshiphlosion won't be able to recover. If Reshiphlosion sets up 2 Typhlosions by turn 2, then it just rolls over the ZPST player most of the time.
Similarly, if Darkrai EX can get quick and cheap knockouts on Tynamos and Eelektriks, then Rayquaza EX won't have the necessary resources to continue streaming 4 energies back for the OHKO on an Eviolited Darkrai EX. Keep in mind that Rayquaza EX is 2HKOed by Darkrai EX, so just one turn without a knockout means that it's an even prize exchange. Even if Rayquaza EX is able to get some OHKOs on Darkrai EX, Darkrai EX might already have such a large prize lead (because of early cheap kills) such that it can afford to trade 2 Darkrai EXs for 1 Rayquaza EX and still win the game. If the Rayquaza EX player is able to get a couple Eelektriks out on turn 2 and 3-4 lightning in the discard very quickly, then Rayquaza EX could be swinging as early as turn 3, which would mean an uphill fight for the Darkrai EX player. Again, this is all speculation.
Alternatively, this is just one tournament, so there might be the "Speedrill effect" at play here: getting good matchups and dodging bad matchups all of top cut.
EliGagerNorris
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Yep, seems like Terrakion is a pretty bad match-up, Zekeels if you can't kill the Eelektriks quickly.
Anyways, sorry man, but I am still in the opinion that Stage 2s don't have much of a shot.
Anyways, sorry man, but I am still in the opinion that Stage 2s don't have much of a shot.
King Piplup
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Also, it's Japan. They build decks very differently and have a very different meta. I'll be eager to see how it pans out in America.
Also, in light of this new situation, I apologize for my rash conclusions and bashing, Pliskin.
(EDIT: @BabyMario-Cool it just a bit please. People can make mistakes, and you don't need to act like that)