The effect on US nationals from Canadian Nationals?
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I think that people are missing the point with all that "best play".
In this format there is not really a BDIF, neither Magneboar nor Yanmega & Co. is.
Why is that?
Because there is so much variation in this format, that you can't make a deck that wins vs. everything.
Just take MagneBoar as example, because we all know, that it has sometimes problems against things like Muk/Pluff/PLume/etc. and Donphan if it flips to many heads on Reversal.
Now after Canadian Nationals we know that Kingdra/Yanmega also is a huge threat for it.
Moreover Canadian Nationals was won by a deck that was definitly far away from being hyped for Nationals or Worlds.
As some people already said it had such a big chance of winning, because there were so many Yanmegas.
Although that doesn't mean that it will win US-Nationals, because the meta will definitly be different with all that MagneBoar being hyped in USA.
Another point is, that it also depends on the player how good his deck is, so not everybody can top with (for example) Zekrom, because he just isn't probably comfortable enough with it.
My prediction for the US-Nationals is that, if there will be so many MagneBoars as they're predicted to be, either MagneBoar itself will win, or one of this YanmegaVariations.
There may be some lucky Zekromplayers, that just run into YanmegaVariations until Finals, but hardly anybody should be able to win with it if there are so many MagneBoars.
For anything else we have to see.
-Darkmot.
P.S.: This is somewhat like a Rock-Paper-Scizor Format, where everybody has the same chance of winning if he knows what he does....
In this format there is not really a BDIF, neither Magneboar nor Yanmega & Co. is.
Why is that?
Because there is so much variation in this format, that you can't make a deck that wins vs. everything.
Just take MagneBoar as example, because we all know, that it has sometimes problems against things like Muk/Pluff/PLume/etc. and Donphan if it flips to many heads on Reversal.
Now after Canadian Nationals we know that Kingdra/Yanmega also is a huge threat for it.
Moreover Canadian Nationals was won by a deck that was definitly far away from being hyped for Nationals or Worlds.
As some people already said it had such a big chance of winning, because there were so many Yanmegas.
Although that doesn't mean that it will win US-Nationals, because the meta will definitly be different with all that MagneBoar being hyped in USA.
Another point is, that it also depends on the player how good his deck is, so not everybody can top with (for example) Zekrom, because he just isn't probably comfortable enough with it.
My prediction for the US-Nationals is that, if there will be so many MagneBoars as they're predicted to be, either MagneBoar itself will win, or one of this YanmegaVariations.
There may be some lucky Zekromplayers, that just run into YanmegaVariations until Finals, but hardly anybody should be able to win with it if there are so many MagneBoars.
For anything else we have to see.
-Darkmot.
P.S.: This is somewhat like a Rock-Paper-Scizor Format, where everybody has the same chance of winning if he knows what he does....
NoPoke
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ZPS is BAD.
ZPS is a deck I'd rather not see win.
those two are very different. I don't see how ZPS is a bad deck as it can obviously win against a field which must have some "good" decks. Canada's impact will primarily be that the format remains unsettled and that concerns over the opening coin flip remain, probably increased
ZPS is a deck I'd rather not see win.
those two are very different. I don't see how ZPS is a bad deck as it can obviously win against a field which must have some "good" decks. Canada's impact will primarily be that the format remains unsettled and that concerns over the opening coin flip remain, probably increased
Pretty simple, win the flip get everything set-up.
In turn two use Judge play Weavile and lockt heir topdeck via Slowking.
Then attack with Ambipom for the lock.
Pretty much the same way Sablelock did, but less consistent and against Magnezone very risky and luckbased.
U can't use slowking cuz ambipom shuffles their deck. I tried this a few months back. It's really fun and annoying but its tough if they get out of a lock.
Then.....
It's even more luckbased....
However can't sa anything about the deck, because we don't have a list of this deck.
He must have had a good way to overrun the oppenents, if they're just locked one or two turns =/
Naki Feralkin
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You could keep an eye on the top deck and not force a shuffle until they run into a top deck thats not favorable to you, y'know. Once they come close to drawing something unfavorable, you judge them again. Its turn of memory, you dont have to check it every turn. Just make sure you play the judge the turn before they get the card you don't want, then judge the next turn, then slowking their new hand.
z-man
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I would say Canada only changes a few things. The only major effect (I would think) is that it confirms in peoples' minds that Yanmega is good. Of course Zekrom did well in this event. That's like having a single Rock in a tournament full of scissors. It may just be that the rock loses to a bunch of other things, but it beat the deck that was most popular, so of course it did well. Its bad matchups did not do very well, so Zekrom did well. American players will see a wider range of decks in the format, so Zekrom is a much worse play than it was in Canada. It can play against anything: not juts Yanmega. Anyways, I have to go. This tournament shows that Yanmega is still a very strong play, but it shouldn't change the format too much. Yanmega players should be more confident, but that should be about the only effect.
LucarioLvlX
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This is a pretty obvious statement, but the Canadian players did not build their decks to win US Nationals. They were working towards having fun and doing well at the Canadian National Championship. Now that some of them have qualified for Worlds, I am sure that they will concentrate on building decks that will do well at the World Championship.
On a side note, Jimmy B is always preaching about thinking for yourself and building and playing your own decks. Yet he comes on here and bashes Canadians, specifically a guy who looked at his favourite Pokemon that were available, as well as the 2007 metagame and decided that Exploud/Golem was the play. He turned out to be correct and won a National Championship, something which not too many people on here, or anywhere else, can claim to have done. As a direct result of winning, the player made a whole bunch of lifelong friends both here in Canada and around the world.
We had a great time at the 2011 Pokemon Canadian National Championship. Expanding it to 2 days was a great idea and the fornat was a whole lot of fun. If anybody on here builds a great deck of their own and does well at their National Championship, please come on here and tell us all about it. As a fan of the Pokemon TCG I will enjoy reading your report and I will be the first to congratulate you.
I hope everybody has a great time this weekend and I look forward to following the tournament and hearing all about if after the fact.
On a side note, Jimmy B is always preaching about thinking for yourself and building and playing your own decks. Yet he comes on here and bashes Canadians, specifically a guy who looked at his favourite Pokemon that were available, as well as the 2007 metagame and decided that Exploud/Golem was the play. He turned out to be correct and won a National Championship, something which not too many people on here, or anywhere else, can claim to have done. As a direct result of winning, the player made a whole bunch of lifelong friends both here in Canada and around the world.
We had a great time at the 2011 Pokemon Canadian National Championship. Expanding it to 2 days was a great idea and the fornat was a whole lot of fun. If anybody on here builds a great deck of their own and does well at their National Championship, please come on here and tell us all about it. As a fan of the Pokemon TCG I will enjoy reading your report and I will be the first to congratulate you.
I hope everybody has a great time this weekend and I look forward to following the tournament and hearing all about if after the fact.
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P_A
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Good points Paul. I couldn't have said it better myself. The Canadian metagame IS different - not better, nor worse. And I think at that time Geneses did well, with an amazing deck which took full advantage of the metagame at that time. Kudos to him. And I'm not upset by his words, but I don't agree with Jimmy about the results of our Nats having no effect though. Most Canadian Nats have been either run at the same date or after US Nats in prior years. With a new format, and this year's Canadian Nats running the week before the States', I have a feeling it will have a bigger effect than what you would think. This past weekend had a rather large amount of people online whenever I went to the pokegym front page to check the numbers - most of which I bet had at one time or another at least checked out the Canadian threads. Now as for those results being duplicated in the US this weekend - that I highly doubt. However just because results won't be the same doesn't mean it won't have some effect. We'll just have to wait and see. Good luck to players this weekend.
GengarNorth
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There was one and he played it really well. He usually builds some weird rogue decks and 9 time out of ten plays REALLY well with them.
This is a pretty simple deck (maybe not easy to play but the idea is simple) really just a hand lock deck. Use weaviles to discard import things and run lots of judge and team rock trickery to add more disruption and use ambipom to decrease hand size even more.
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also by turn 2 you are basically judging your opponent everyturn if they have a cleffa out
exactly all the bad players are just going to switch to Yanmega/X and zekrom ROFL ROFL
vegitalian
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It's cool man - no one needs to worry about you in top cut either. Your opinion holds no weight. It's really tragic that you have to belittle people and ideas to overcome your own insecurities. I pity you.
As for Canadian/global players, please don't base your opinion of American players by rokman, mosherstomper, or any of the other rude and immature folks out there. The majority of Americans I've met have been class acts (I've traveled to Ohio a few times, Indiana a few times, New York, California, etc.). The Pokemon players in Ohio especially were some of the nicest people I've met playing the game. There's no reason for any hostility towards Canada, especially considering we are no different from most of the Northern U.S. when it comes to culture. I'll see you all at Worlds, and I sincerely hope anyone with the mindset of rokman doesn't represent the U.S. National Champion this year - that would be a shame.
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WittyNameHere
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this isn't finishing school, this is pokemon. how someone acts has nothing to do with their playing. but no canadians dont count
JandPDS
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You are not accurate. It was not like he was playing the only Electric deck when everyone esle was playing Water. Yes Yanmega was week, bit its not like it couldn't one shot it anyways if Yanmega was weak to fire .
Also he beat a Donphan deck in T4 so the using your analogy, it would be like his rock deck beating a deck full of paper. What is ranking at the begginging ogf the event is unimportant. In the past at US Nationals people have not played all year. go into the event wit ha 1600 ranking go 8-2 and qualify for worlds.
Nor is this uniniqe to this format. In Washington States this year a kid who only played in two tournys all year prior to that won the entire thing. So it can happen anytime sometime a player just happens to catch lightning in a bottle.
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