Unimpressed with Undaunted and Unleashed
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DonphanAtoZ
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I just hope LoLCats won't have a bunch of dumb promos thrown in. (Lost Link+ Clash, xD)
We had 126 people play at the Santa Clara pre release last Sunday. The set is not a format changer, but everyone had a great time playing, and I got to play (regularly I judge) and went 4-1. Silver linings folks: the pre releases are fun to play if only for the random decks that get built, a card or two may be found in a winning deck next year, and pretty snazzy sleeves. Just sayin'.
I like this set in that it actually made it a lot easier to get certain cards for collectors / competitive players alike compared to the distribution in Japan.
Legends from L3
Cards from Leafeon Vs pack
Cards from L1, L2
Domino Pizza Promo
and last but very importantly,
PDC promo Umbreon / Espeon / Raichu --- those 3 cards alone will cost one >USD$1200 to obtain (or otherwise personally earn through OP, which the secondary cost is likely greater).
That is four, five different venues you have to go through to obtain.
While in the English release those are all made obtainable in one set.
I personally would say the English sets have been generous at localizing/releasing in a way that makes it very easy
for every players to obtain the otherwise very expensive/scarce promo cards in the original Japan environment.
Sets have been containing a large proportion of cards not preferable in the current competitive environment, i.e. 80% of a set have been comprised of 'useless' cards.
Approximately close to that amount of all are such cards in a given format. Certain staple cards in DPt have been overpowered and thus overused, making many of the otherwise usable new cards looking obsolete.
(I bought both LL and L3 and it though many new tactic arise from cards in those sets. It still felt like 80 of the cards are only for collector's purpose nonetheless) We are likely to see a competitive role in more of the current 'junk cards' in the future when DPt is rotated.
Keep in mind TPCi does not 'create' cards, or otherwise putting 'filler cards' in. They merely localize what's already been made. On that note, box / pack ratio, and card quality are couple other more legitimate issues we could complain on =)
Legends from L3
Cards from Leafeon Vs pack
Cards from L1, L2
Domino Pizza Promo
and last but very importantly,
PDC promo Umbreon / Espeon / Raichu --- those 3 cards alone will cost one >USD$1200 to obtain (or otherwise personally earn through OP, which the secondary cost is likely greater).
That is four, five different venues you have to go through to obtain.
While in the English release those are all made obtainable in one set.
I personally would say the English sets have been generous at localizing/releasing in a way that makes it very easy
for every players to obtain the otherwise very expensive/scarce promo cards in the original Japan environment.
Sets have been containing a large proportion of cards not preferable in the current competitive environment, i.e. 80% of a set have been comprised of 'useless' cards.
Approximately close to that amount of all are such cards in a given format. Certain staple cards in DPt have been overpowered and thus overused, making many of the otherwise usable new cards looking obsolete.
(I bought both LL and L3 and it though many new tactic arise from cards in those sets. It still felt like 80 of the cards are only for collector's purpose nonetheless) We are likely to see a competitive role in more of the current 'junk cards' in the future when DPt is rotated.
Keep in mind TPCi does not 'create' cards, or otherwise putting 'filler cards' in. They merely localize what's already been made. On that note, box / pack ratio, and card quality are couple other more legitimate issues we could complain on =)
yoyofsho16
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The only issue with releasing things how they are in Japan is that we wouldn't get all of the promos, there's waaay less opportunities to release promos here, since Pokemon TCG is not nearly as popular per-capita.
However, I don't think it should go further than JPN set+promos for every set. They really should print companion decks with exclusive cards like JPN... also in JPN, theme decks have ALWAYS guaranteed a prime/lv x/ex. Why can't we at least do that? American releases make it difficult to get rare cards, as they don't come in decks, and the Legends come in separate packs.
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Doesn't matter. If the cards were harder to get, collecting would have more incentive. It would be just as fine for collectors, they'd just collect less to get something considered a "good" collection.
Also, box/pack ratios are relevant to this issue--if sets were smaller, I bet we'd get better cards more often.
However, I don't think it should go further than JPN set+promos for every set. They really should print companion decks with exclusive cards like JPN... also in JPN, theme decks have ALWAYS guaranteed a prime/lv x/ex. Why can't we at least do that? American releases make it difficult to get rare cards, as they don't come in decks, and the Legends come in separate packs.
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Doesn't matter. If the cards were harder to get, collecting would have more incentive. It would be just as fine for collectors, they'd just collect less to get something considered a "good" collection.
Also, box/pack ratios are relevant to this issue--if sets were smaller, I bet we'd get better cards more often.
I'm just like yourself. I originally started buying Pokemon to collect the sets, the Competitive cards weren't anymore valuable than non. But as i collected, i notice i had a large amount of extras. So i decided to learn how to play to make use of them. To this day i still collect first, play second. All extras go to my decks, but the first of any card goes to my collection. I don't see the Sets as unimpressive. Just new sets to collect, and build fun decks to play.
darktranquillity
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I agree that Undaunted is a pretty bad set. I also think that in general, the cards from HGSS are less playable than the cards from DP and Pt series. I haven't bought more than just a couple of packs from HG SS, but I did go to the Undaunted pre release because it was my first one. But Undaunted was made worse by taking out several of the good cards from it, as the thread starter stated. I completely agree that this was a bad move. But what is done is done, lets focus instead in the new set coming out.
Well I would like to have Lost Link and Clash of the summit be released as two seperate sets. Lost link should be kept as a mini-set like it is in japan, with only 7 cards per pack and costing less than a regular booster. Clash of the summit is already a complete set, so it can be left alone, but I would not mind having random promo cards included into it (or into lost link, for that matter) as long as they don't exclude anything from these sets.
I would hate to see Lost Link and Clash together in one huge set because this would make a very large set and make a lot of filler from Clash make it harder to collect the gems in Lost Link. Lost Link has a lot of potential to change the current format, and making these cards as accesible to players as possible should be the key. I do not want to see another year dominated by SP (even though I play SP), I would rather see other, new strategies being used.
Well I would like to have Lost Link and Clash of the summit be released as two seperate sets. Lost link should be kept as a mini-set like it is in japan, with only 7 cards per pack and costing less than a regular booster. Clash of the summit is already a complete set, so it can be left alone, but I would not mind having random promo cards included into it (or into lost link, for that matter) as long as they don't exclude anything from these sets.
I would hate to see Lost Link and Clash together in one huge set because this would make a very large set and make a lot of filler from Clash make it harder to collect the gems in Lost Link. Lost Link has a lot of potential to change the current format, and making these cards as accesible to players as possible should be the key. I do not want to see another year dominated by SP (even though I play SP), I would rather see other, new strategies being used.
dreamdemon
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Omg. You people complain so much. If hate the way they make the sets, then stop playing. Has any one of you stop to think how epic the next set is going to be? We get a mix of lost link and clash at the summit. My god it could be the biggest set we have seen ever. With the potential for 9 primes and 2 legends.
Maverick Nate
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There are only 8 unreleased Primes, by the way.
TheGeneral
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Hahaha ain't that the pot calling the kettle black
CFOURCOLTSFAN
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Honestly this set doesn't really even excite me.
In MY count there are 5 good pokemon and then IMO almost all of the T/S/S are useful, so i won't count those
Vileplume-trainer lock, duh.
Scizor Prime-the body is good but the attack is meh @ best. HP is depressingly low as well.
Umbreon Prime-interesting, SSU as a power and an attack that is a rip off of Flygon? Dark Specials can help, could be semi metagame.
Umbreon(non-prime)-The first attack is an absolute gem, but warp points, bright looks make it not as useful.
Espeon Prime-again a good body, seems to be loosely based on Mew Ex, but still not great.
I'm sure i forgot something but those are prolly the top 5 pokemon in the set and not much else to clamor over. Also most of the SR's are suckish too, RDL, KGL and the rest of the primes. Raichu could work, slowking is a very POOR rip off of Uxie X etc.
In MY count there are 5 good pokemon and then IMO almost all of the T/S/S are useful, so i won't count those
Vileplume-trainer lock, duh.
Scizor Prime-the body is good but the attack is meh @ best. HP is depressingly low as well.
Umbreon Prime-interesting, SSU as a power and an attack that is a rip off of Flygon? Dark Specials can help, could be semi metagame.
Umbreon(non-prime)-The first attack is an absolute gem, but warp points, bright looks make it not as useful.
Espeon Prime-again a good body, seems to be loosely based on Mew Ex, but still not great.
I'm sure i forgot something but those are prolly the top 5 pokemon in the set and not much else to clamor over. Also most of the SR's are suckish too, RDL, KGL and the rest of the primes. Raichu could work, slowking is a very POOR rip off of Uxie X etc.
Qwachansey
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Huh I love these sets. Lots of cool stuff. Just because it's not Luxchomp doesn't mean you have to cry about it. But of course if it had a new tier 1 deck everyone would complain about how broken it is.
Rainbowgym
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It's now 2 days after I opened my boxes and I still can't find Aggron.
I have tons of Aron's and Lairon's but there is no Aggron in the set.
And that's something I really dislike.
Aron-Lairon-Aggron is a chain and should be together in a set.
It makes no sense for collectors and is confusing.
I have tons of Aron's and Lairon's but there is no Aggron in the set.
And that's something I really dislike.
Aron-Lairon-Aggron is a chain and should be together in a set.
It makes no sense for collectors and is confusing.
AyameHikaru
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There was a Numel in Unleashed with no evolutionary line. It's not uncommon for lines to be incomplete in a set. This time it's because Undaunted includes the cards from a couple of theme decks, and theme decks don't always have complete lines.
Nintendan
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I think we're using to all the good cards fro previous sets to see these ones at good. But the thing is these cards are still rubbish compared to average cards. In Platinum, almost every pack has something you want or will like. I bought a booster box of it and it was fun opening it. But Undaunted and Unleashed? Well, maybe a few legends and Primes here and there but what else? Terrible cards.
Btw, what does TCPi stand for (I know, I fail)
Btw, what does TCPi stand for (I know, I fail)
P_A
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The Pokemon Company international.
Ok, now that the set has been out for a while, and I have had a chance to get accustomed to it, I can give my honest opinion. Of course I would never have given it before the prereleases were done, but I feel it's appropriate now.
I know TPCi work with what they have available. That's a given. They can't just throw this card from this area and this area in with such and such cards from totally different sources. They are bound to use what they are allowed, no more, no less.
That being said, I'm not particularly kinky on this latest set either, after due deliberation. Of course that doesn't mean that there aren't useful cards in the set in my opinion, but that there are less that jump out at me from the high end cards side of the set. You can tell in my instance by the amount of cards I trade for with my commons/uncommon guy. I usually trade with him each set, and he usually brings the contents of 6-9 boxes of cards for me. This time I asked that he bring only about 3 from this set.
You can't always have game breaking cards in each set - it doesn't work that way.
Ok, now that the set has been out for a while, and I have had a chance to get accustomed to it, I can give my honest opinion. Of course I would never have given it before the prereleases were done, but I feel it's appropriate now.
I know TPCi work with what they have available. That's a given. They can't just throw this card from this area and this area in with such and such cards from totally different sources. They are bound to use what they are allowed, no more, no less.
That being said, I'm not particularly kinky on this latest set either, after due deliberation. Of course that doesn't mean that there aren't useful cards in the set in my opinion, but that there are less that jump out at me from the high end cards side of the set. You can tell in my instance by the amount of cards I trade for with my commons/uncommon guy. I usually trade with him each set, and he usually brings the contents of 6-9 boxes of cards for me. This time I asked that he bring only about 3 from this set.
You can't always have game breaking cards in each set - it doesn't work that way.
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I don't think I've seen anyone mention it, but I think the reason they are playing around with these last few sets so much is to make room for a filler set in February before we get Black & White in May.
I could be wrong, but this thought keeps popping into my head. But I agree with everyone, that in the process they have created 3-4 filler sets.
I could be wrong, but this thought keeps popping into my head. But I agree with everyone, that in the process they have created 3-4 filler sets.
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