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You can't possibly make a serious comparison between Nationals and Worlds. Most of the Worlds participants are coming from outside the US to begin with. And the LCQ is a privilege, not a right.
 
Chairman Kaga said:
You can't possibly make a serious comparison between Nationals and Worlds. Most of the Worlds participants are coming from outside the US to begin with. And the LCQ is a privilege, not a right.
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You completely ignored my post. I can't imagine why you would do that. Maybe it's because I actually discredited several of your arguments?
 
St. Louis is the most dangerous city in the country? Detroit? New York? LA? Where did you hear this from?
 
St. Louis gets that rap when they combine the East St. Louis (Illinois) crime statistics with the main St. Louis crime statistics.

Almost any metro area can be made to look bad if you add its neighbor in.

And we are separated by a RIVER. (Yes, I am sure the criminals have heard of bridges)

Waiting anxiously with the rest of you!

Vince
 
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The thing is though that it is an expensive place. Also it isn't fair for the people who live on the west coast. I live VA and NYC may sound like a great place, but the Subway is not a place you want to be in late at night and it is very confusing. I would be surprised if it was there. Also where was there a beach in Columbus or St. Louis?

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Oh, I simply saw an Airport north of the center I listed on Google Earth. Now that I look at it it does look rather small.
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LOL I love when people talk about a place they don't really know much about. This isn't the movies where its grafitti crime and garbage on every block. NYC is one of the safest big cities in America (look it up). When I visit i stay out ll night cause the nightlife/clublife is ridiculous in the summer and i take the subway at 2,3,4,5 in the morning Im alive and never got mugged or beaten there lol. No beach in St. Louis? ok... well another reason I dont understand why it cant be in ny lol.
They can have it in St Louis (no disrespect but I really have never heard of anything interesting there) but not what many people dub "the greatest city in the world"? Sheesh. Imagine seening Ground Zero... you can learn things in NYC as well as have fun lol.
 
If you are going to look at the economics of holding Nationals in any city than the DFW area beats all . And its in a state that does get its fair share to a Regional event.
 
How about Arlington, TX? It is not really a major city. It neighbors Fort Worth and Dallas.
There are no events or reservations on the books from 6/28/2010 to 7/5/2010 for Arlington Convention Center. Unfortunately that is about the only weekend that is free between late June and early July.
It is spacious...I am not sure about the cost.
Visitors from out of state may need to rent a car because it is about 30-45 minutes drive from Arlington to either DFW Airport or Dallas Love Field(mostly Southwest Airlines).

Attractions:
Six Flags
Hurricane Harbor(right next to Six Flags)
baseball
 
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just want to add in that they used that very convention center mentioned above for vgc regionals this year
 
Going onto Purple's point (which I strongly agree with)

Hold on... the subway in New York is NO WAY NEAR confusing. My grandpa who can't speak the slightest of English can take the subway from Queens (which means he has to take a bus to just get to the subway station, then make several transfers) yet he still never gets lost. Just because NYC is such a big city does not mean there are a lot of robberies on the subway late at night, What would you be doing on the subway that late anyways? I have to take the subway myself next year when I have sports and other things like that-it takes roughly 1.5 hours and I start at 8 p.m. Has anything ever happened to me? Literally, you can fall asleep on the subway with tons of stuff and nothing would happen.

If you get lost in the subway, that's no problem. Just ask ANYONE around you. Any person who has lived in New York City will probably know how to get around the city. They also have huge maps every 5 minutes so you can just locate yourself and find where to go. Hungry? They have small shops underground (In Time Sqaure, there's a huge branch of stores and food) so you can always pick up a drink or a snack. You can basically travel around the whole city with a $10 metrocard. The airports here in New York are not small. There is not one, but two located quite near to each other that you can get to. There are also so many taxis outside you can have a conferable ride to anywhere. Here in NYC, you can get a taxi at ANY TIME. They are always running through the streets for someone.

There are some areas in New York city that are not so present. These are the "stereotypical ghetto" places of New York, with mugging all around. That does not happen in Manhattan-especially around the convention centers. Right now, I'm not even fighting for it to be held in New York, I just can't stand the ignorance of some people here posting about my state without knowing the slightest clue about it,
 
drmario said:
You completely ignored my post. I can't imagine why you would do that. Maybe it's because I actually discredited several of your arguments?
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What, this?

drmario said:
You also fail to realize, that for anyone on the West Coast, the Midwest is way to far to drive. They all have to fly. The price difference between flying from San Diego, CA to St. Louis, and from San Diego to Columbus, OH was about $5 around the time of Nationals last year. However by moving Nationals from Columbus to St. Louis, many people on the East Coast who used to be able to drive had to fly. Even with high gas prices, it's far more cost effective to stuff 5 or more people in a car or SUV than it is to fly that number of people. My point is, if Nationals is in the Midwest, or the East Coast, everyone on the West Coast has to fly. If it's in the Midwest, people on the West and East coast have to fly. If Nationals where on the East coast, generally only people on the West Coast would have to fly. Obviously I'm making some generalizations, however, the bottom line is that flying costs more than driving, and that it would be prudent to place Nationals in a location that allows the largest number of people possible to drive there.
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If anything, that proves my point. People will drive regardless of distance as long as it's more cost effective than flying and time is not a factor. There were plenty of East and West Coast license plates pulling up in St. Louis to discredit your assumption that everyone outside of a certain radius flies.

Your rude callout, however, was unnecessary.

meganium45 said:
St. Louis gets that rap when they combine the East St. Louis (Illinois) crime statistics with the main St. Louis crime statistics.
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I'm well aware of the tragedy that is East St. Louis, Vince, but you have to concede that downtown St. Louis MO is not exactly Disneyland either. You do not have to walk far from the dome to wind up in a very ugly area, and some of that certainly bleeds into the venue area. Indianapolis has the same issue around the GenCon venue -- take a wrong turn south, and you'll be surprised at how quickly the neighborhood changes.

Don't take this as a knock on STL (which is still a city I love to visit), but if Nationals stays in St. Louis, it would be nice to find a different venue. In Kansas City we have Bartle Hall downtown and Overland Park Convention Center out south (both of which can easily accommodate a Nationals-size event). Surely STL has a similar second venue option.
 
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What, this?
If anything, that proves my point. People will drive regardless of distance as long as it's more cost effective than flying and time is not a factor. There were plenty of East and West Coast license plates pulling up in St. Louis to discredit your assumption that everyone outside of a certain radius flies.

Your rude callout, however, was unnecessary.
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It doesn't reinforce your point. Driving for more than a day is rarely cost effective. Plus it means that people have to take at least two extra days off of work. And there where two parts to the post. You still completely ignored the first part.
 
Chairman Kaga said:
I don't get what you expect me to respond to in the first part. We're in agreement.
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Ok. The part about major corporations hiring people to scout out things like food and stuff that was confusing. My point was there was absolutely no excuse for the food issue this year. If that is what you meant, then yes, we are in agreement.
 
I'm sorry i might be a little costly for the west coaters to come to DC. But i live in MA! DC is a very nice place and if it costs you to much to come to DC i am sorry. That isnt my fault
 
drmario said:
Ok. The part about major corporations hiring people to scout out things like food and stuff that was confusing. My point was there was absolutely no excuse for the food issue this year. If that is what you meant, then yes, we are in agreement.
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Well, to expand on that a bit, just googling for food places is unlikely to be sufficient. Even chain fast food places in downtown areas tend to keep odd hours of operation. What a corporate event planner gets paid to research is not just whether food is in the area, but also when it is available and whether the venue area as a whole is capable of handling the expected attendance load during the event schedule. A cursory glance at Google Maps does not necessarily answer those questions. Obviously that would have been a big NO in downtown St. Louis had anyone really looked into it.
 
Chairman Kaga said:
Well, to expand on that a bit, just googling for food places is unlikely to be sufficient. Even chain fast food places in downtown areas tend to keep odd hours of operation. What a corporate event planner gets paid to research is not just whether food is in the area, but also when it is available and whether the venue area as a whole is capable of handling the expected attendance load during the event schedule. A cursory glance at Google Maps does not necessarily answer those questions. Obviously that would have been a big NO in downtown St. Louis had anyone really looked into it.
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True, but there weren't any fast food places within walking distance of the convention center. So the hours of operation of non-existent restaurants is hardly an issue. I'm still surprised there wasn't any sort of place in the actual convention center selling food. That tiny little cafe doesn't count. Unless they manage to have food in the convention center next year, I don't see how they can possibly have Nationals in the same place.
 
I will be more than annoyed if they have Nationals in St. Louis again. Sorry, but the place kind of sucked. The arch was cool, but that was about it. Of all the potential really great places to hold nats, it was put in a place with high crime levels, no food, and nothing to do.
 
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