Ways to Approach the Game

[tehlizard]

I don't recall saying Magneboar was the "best developing deck."

My post wasn't just a response to yours, but also a general response to Vaporeon and anyone else who thinks I am for some reason arguing that "META IS THE SOURCE OF ALL GLORY FOREVER AND EVER AMEN."" That is a bad mentality to have too, and I don't want anyone to think I have it. I strive to be a "total" player, hence the reference to me not being restricted in my approaches to any facet of this game.

Never said you thought so. "If" you think MagneBoar is one of the best developing decks (which I and most of the community do), and decided to play it in a matchup of you and Vaporeon, you'd represent meta in this instance of Vaporeon vs. BFH. I don't think that you think Meta is the source of all glory, but in this isolated instance, it seems to me that you would take a tested deck with synergy (like LuxChomp the past format) while Vaporeon would take an unproven rogue deck of two random pokemon.

 

[ALEXARD]

We put effort into making the deck, even if its meta. The deck doesn't give you victories, the way you played the deck and how you built it gave you victory. Besides, without meta decks there can't be rogue decks either.

Leave the meta for bad players, if you are a good player you can win even by using caterpie/luvdisc with plus power for the Donk, they will copy it until turning it meta and then you can play new rogues, is all part of a natural cycle, Viceroy Butterflies are the living proof that you don`t need to be a monarch to win in the game of life or the metagame enviroment.

 

[baby mario]

Leave the meta for bad players, if you are a good player you can win even by using caterpie/luvdisc with plus power for the Donk, they will copy it until turning it meta and then you can play new rogues, is all part of a natural cycle, Viceroy Butterflies are the living proof that you don`t need to be a monarch to win in the game of life or the metagame enviroment.

I love the way that you go on and on about 'skill' and then try and back up your argument with a ridiculously lucky donk win.

Please explain how donking with Caterpie and PlusPowers requires 'skill' :lol:

At this point I'm tempted to call troll.

 

[vaporeon]

You're a presumptuous fool, plain and simple. Talk to the players in this game who know me such as John Kettler, and they'll testify that I'm one of the most active people in this game when it comes to immersing myself in a format. I'm always coming up with original ideas, many of which ultimately don't cut it, but some of which do. I MAKE MY OWN LISTS, meta or not. I have plenty of "rogues" sitting in Redshark that I play all the time, and not just for fun either. I make these decks to win.

To answer your (silly) question, I don't have any one deck that I'm playing right now-- I have tons. I have an arsenal, like most other good players. This past format, I could play any given meta deck and quite a few others at the drop of a hat, and I did, switching decks numerous times from fall BRs through Regionals. I'm getting ready to play in Nationals, unlike you, and then World after that, also unlike you. I am absorbing this new format into my bloodstream, LOOKING for a "rogue" that will catch people by surprise, as I always am, but then I am also fully prepared to play whatever else ends up being the best deck in my testing/in the emergent format.

You know NOTHING about me, although if you did perhaps you'd stop making such foolish claims like "you will always argue for meta." I argue for viewing this game in its TOTALITY, not through some grimy, narrow prism like you oh-so-clearly choose to view it from (the prism that makes you think the world is divided into rogue and meta, with you in the rogue corner valiantly defending your own perceived honor against this horrible army of soulless netdeckers who would lose every game if they had to play something like Vaporeon/Pidgeot).

Yeah, your right, I don't know nothing about you or your play style. I'll take vaporeon and pidgeot to the top tables like I did last time. You can have many deck. I have a ton of fun decks I'll play for the heck of if, just like you but what are you going to play for nationals or worlds? Also, just watch the name calling. Trying to belittle me does not make you look good.

 

[Bloodbane]

Alexard, you obviously do not understand. Donking takes no skill, compared to a full-blown game. Creating a rogue deck THAT WORKS takes skill, but also making a meta list and improving it continously requires skill. Sometimes even more, like in the case of DialgaChomp.

"Leave the meta for bad players." Thank you. You just insulted the best players in the game. The best players play whatever gives them the best shot at winning, sometimes rogue, but more often than not meta. Pooka played meta all year, does that make him a bad player? Does it make anyone?

PS. Who designed Delta, what team or group of players? Lafonte?

 

[ALEXARD]

Is not like Crobat G or Uxie still exist in format to do the whole job, Donk is nowadays something really hard to acomplish, even zekrom+shaymin+pachi can`t perform it more than 50% of the time... wich happens to be a metadeck, proving that I`m not wrong in my statement, hopefully your last replies are more than enough back up for my argument.

If those people I don`t know anything about are that good, is not hard to prove, the same person with a different deck each tournament placing top 4 or even 1st, with both rogue and meta decks, that`s the only kind of player I can recognize as a good one.

Meta players can all go cry in the tomb of their luxchomps and sabledonks, this nationals are gonna show up for real who are the best players in america.

 

[baby mario]

Go on then troll.

Give an example of a 'rogue' donk that takes skill in this meta.

 

[ALEXARD]

Sorry, I`m saving my skill schemes for nationals, actions over words.

European people don`t need to worry about HGSS on decks anyway, you can still play "worldchompion"

 

[baby mario]

Sorry, I`m saving my skill schemes for nationals, actions over words.

Of course you are. I shall be hugely disappointed if I don't see your 'Top 16 with Caterpie Donk!' report here on PokeGym right after US Nats.

European people don`t need to worry about HGSS on decks anyway, you can still play "worldchomp"

Actually, we European people who are going to Worlds do need to worry about HGSS-on. Yet another ignorant comment from you.

 

[cabd]

FWIW, I think my Battle Roads today defined what I consider to be a good "in-between" of the two extremes. Pretty much every single match today, my opponent had to read my Registeel LA and my Yanma SV. Sure, I played a "meta-ish" deck (Yanmega/Magnezone, my pet deck of choice) but at the same time, I also gave it a spin not seen before, allowing it to hit all the right hand size numbers, and my opponents took notice and gave me comments like "I never would have thought of that." Comments like that are to me what verifies that my list has gone from a netdeck/archetype copy to a list with my own style and touch on.

 

[Dacreepfromdadeep]

You say you perform well with original ideas like Vaporeon/Pidgeot, I don't believe you. No matter how skilled you are, some cards in the format will be better than others, that's just how it is. You will get beat a lot if you don't stick to metagame/viable decks, and there is no way you can avoid it.

I must say I disagree!!!:nonono: I took 14th at reigonals with a compeletly origanal deck that
wasn't a metagame deck with tweaks!!!

PS Stop picking on poor Vapeoron, are you saying that if someone has an idea, all you guys start
harrasing him about. I agree that we need more origanality, but still sometimes I am very tempted
to play a metagame deck, just to win.

 

[ALEXARD]

Of course you are. I shall be hugely disappointed if I don't see your 'Top 16 with Caterpie Donk!' report here on PokeGym right after US Nats.



Actually, we European people who are going to Worlds do need to worry about HGSS-on. Yet another ignorant comment from you.

If you are fool enough to not realize it yet, during worlds there should be a new playable Expansion, with Catcher, Max Potion, Goth, Beartic and ... so much stuff that will revolt the whole format, rendering decks from today completely useless.

If you really want to get ready for the worlds I suggest you to check out the Japanese reports before victini`s red collection gets into sale, since that`s the wisest conclusion a healthy brain could come up to.

 

[baby mario]

If you are fool enough to not realize it yet, during worlds there should be a new playable Expansion, with Catcher, Max Potion, Goth, Beartic and ... so much stuff that will revolt the whole format, rendering decks from today completely useless.

If you really want to get ready for the worlds I suggest you to check out the Japanese reports before victini`s red collection gets into sale, since that`s the wisest conclusion a healthy brain could come up to.

Speaking of foolishness, you do know that the Prereleases take place at Worlds don't you? The set does not become modified legal until after the tournament. Hope that isn't going to ruin your plans to become World champ with your super secret Caterpie donk deck.

You might want to start checking the health of your own brain. Looks like it contains no knowledge whatsoever.

Seriously, you have to be trolling. No-one is actually this embarrassing in real life.

 

[ALEXARD]

Speaking of foolishness, you do know that the Prereleases take place at Worlds don't you? The set does not become modified legal until after the tournament. Hope that isn't going to ruin your plans to become World champ with your super secret Caterpie donk deck.

You might want to start checking the health of your own brain. Looks like it contains no knowledge whatsoever.

Seriously, you have to be trolling. No-one is actually this embarrassing in real life.

Yeah that is called a precept, fulfilling the conditions for a rotation at next september... But this time we got a rotation before worlds, something never before seen, TPCi cant be so unconsiderate to leave us 2 sets behind, is highly possible that we get the new set earlier in order to have a WC with 7 expansions.

Always be ready for any scenario, think forward for a change.

 

[nnaann]

Yeah that is called a precept, fulfilling the conditions for a rotation at next september... But this time we got a rotation before worlds, something never before seen, TPCi cant be so unconsiderate to leave us 2 sets behind, is highly possible that we get the new set earlier in order to have a WC with 7 expansions.

Always be ready for any scenario, think forward for a change.

You're right, it's not like Nintendo wouldn't consider changing their whole infrastructure which is responsible for the production of millions of dollars worth of cards, just so 400 people can have a different format for Worlds. Especially since they didn't decide to use a format with 5 sets in for the biggest Pokemon event of the year, US Nationals.

 

[baby mario]

Yeah that is called a precept, fulfilling the conditions for a rotation at next september... But this time we got a rotation before worlds, something never before seen, TPCi cant be so unconsiderate to leave us 2 sets behind, is highly possible that we get the new set earlier in order to have a WC with 7 expansions.

Always be ready for any scenario, think forward for a change.

Yep, with less than two months to go before Worlds, with no announcements of any new sets, they are suddenly going to spring one on us right before Worlds. I mean, it's not like TPCI are busy right now is it?

We would NOT be 2 sets behind Japan (wrong again - surprise, surprise). We are missing some cards from their B&W set, plus structure decks and Promos. The second Japanese B&W set is out July 15.

I love how you use baseless BS fantasy to try and cover up your blatant lack of knowledge when it comes to anything to do with the TCG.

Pitiful.

Try again.

 

[ALEXARD]

For US nationals you have 6 expansion pal...

After America`s Nationals we are gonna be 1 1/2 sets behind... almost 2, good grief how can you be so picky; New sets are confirmed within at least 30 days before the release, unless you are part of the corporation you never know what are their evil schemes or campaigns (in the end they can do whatever they want whenever they wish), Platinum Arceus didn`t had that much publicity either, just a preview rapidash and some other random card, unlike rising rivals or supreme victors that got more than a dozen of preview cards before it`s release because it was just a filler after the SV filler packed with useles promos.

 

[Bloodbane]

TCPi cannot do anything they like, nor can they do stuff whenever they like. They have to publish the same cards that are in japan, not create their own. They have to wait until the cards are released in japan.

GG, Game over, try again.

Oh yeah, in Finland, SP didn't win a single age group at our nationals. I think same thing happened in UK, correct me if I'm wrong Baby Mario. What happened to Worldchompion? You're either a troll or you could not construct a Luxchomp, and didn't win anything with your super secret rogue. Give us your name, and the nation where you are playing, well see how well you did with your super secret rogue.

 

[ALEXARD]

Does Power Keepers ring a bell ?

There are also a few cases of pokemon being printed in english before japanese

 

[Donchamp]

So we obviously approach the game by argueing over how many expansions will be at the World Championships. Huh, thats cool... I don't care how many expansions are out cause every time they release one its a treat in itself, I think the Pokemon people know what they are doing.